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Post by NewSkool101 on Apr 21, 2008 5:33:47 GMT -5
Now I couldn't have said it better myself Bravo ;D Um Alex Ron didn't have to say that (what you brilliantly wrote ) because all that is implied in the last scenes. You're kind of describing the last sequences of the finale, though the characters didn't explicitly say so themselves. To the horror of non K/R fans it wasn't really that subtle. And what's to stop Ron from panicking AGAIN once he's reminded of this situation. Remember the airport scene in part 1, of the man and woman leaving each other, what's to stop Ron from worrying when he's reminded of something like that AGAIN, nothing because the college plot was unresolved, and no Mystical (God out of the machine) monkey powers are going to resolve this problem. It's not that I needed to see them AT COLLEGE. Heck they could've shown us a scene where Ron's parents give him his college acceptance letters as a graduation present, and that these same colleges are one's that Kim has applied for. LIKE I've suggested MANY TIMES. I mean for crying out loud, HOW HARD CAN IT POSSIBLY BE to record, and storyboard, 30-45 seconds of this plot resolution. Was it REALLY necessary that we HAD to show Bonnie rushing to cry in Junior's arms. You could've dumped THAT scene and added the one I suggested, EASILY. As long as the VIP's had the power to insert this scene, I'M NOT LETTING THAT PLOT GAP SLIDE. The fact that one of the God's who created Kim Possible, Bob Schooley has declared anything off screen to be not canon. Also gets on my nerves. And almost has me wishing that So The Drama would've been the end of the series, because THAT ending trumps this one. Not only that but the ending with Kim and Ron at the end at the dance was both subtle AND informative something this ending WAS NOT. -Ron didn't unlock anything, his MMP's came at the most convenient moment, JUST LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE. The powers were treated as a god out of the machines. It's another thing the VIP's should've handled alot better. -Kim reassured Ron MANY times throughout and yet that didn't stop him from worrying DID IT? And YET suddenly Ron gets over this, and the audience is given no organic reason as to WHY he has this change of heart. THAT resolution wasn't convincing in the slightest EITHER. Really Graduation (like Superman Returns) builds up a moment through exposition, that we the audience are not allowed to witness. Because by the time Ron comes crashing down to reality, he'll realize that he still has no way of getting to college, back to square one . And I wasn't given any exposition, story wise that THIS won't be an issue in the future. RENDERED IRRELEVANT, when was the college issue in the story irrelevant? The ending to the episode just refused to answer the question, that doesn't make it irrelevant. The writing at the end, just ARROGANTLY ASSUMES that viewers will accept the ending because the characters LOOK HAPPY, but they make no CHARACTER TRANSITIONS. And if the college issue wasn't that big a deal, than why did the writers make such a BIG DEAL out of it constantly throughout the two parter? WHERE? Show me the scene THAT SHOWS US, that Ron comes to THIS realization. There's no scene to be found like that in here. Yes I've seen one of them, but I didn't care for it. Oh fyi yvj, I meant to respond to you on this awhile ago, but never got back to it, until now. Has it occurred to you that everyone pretty much has closure on the finale (not to mention the show itself) except for you? But if you want that ever-elusive sense of closure, here, I'll help. College = threat to K/R Alien warlords = threat to world threat from aliens > threat from college Ron PWNS aliens therefore Ron > threat from aliens K/R = Kim + Ron therefore K/R > threat from aliens > threat from college therefore K/R > threat from college There ya go.
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Post by cadmus on Apr 21, 2008 13:03:48 GMT -5
Has it occurred to you that everyone pretty much has closure on the finale (not to mention the show itself) except for you? If you think sloppy character transitions indirectly =closure, then whatever. That didn't stop Ron from worrying about college the entire time, from his talk with Shego, Kim, Warhok; it's clear Ron wasn't going to let everything about college slide THAT EASILY. I know what you're getting at (thinking Ron saving the world indirectly = K/R will be together regardless). But I simply don't buy that, especially after the countless times where Ron went back to worrying even though Kim tells him everything will be alright (though even Kim worries about it to), how does beating aliens= Ron's college problem is solved? It doesn't, that crud won't fly once he starts worrying again a month or two down the road. If they were relying on that scene to convince me otherwise. Then it failed, because to me, it was unconvincing, especially following up the scenes before it, where I'm told otherwise.
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Post by Alexlayer on Apr 22, 2008 19:57:39 GMT -5
This discussion has brought me a question...
Does anyone think Ron actually wanted to go to college?
I mean, because personally and based on his own interests, I think Ron wouldn't really be the kind of person who would actually decide to go to college on his own. At least from my point of view, the whole plot in Graduation didn't seem like he actually cared about having a career, the thing he cared about was that college might separete him from Kim.
Which, I repeat, is why the whole college issue isn't really important. It was his own doubts about himself what Ron had to overcome, not some stupid college acceptance.
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Post by cadmus on Apr 22, 2008 22:41:09 GMT -5
This discussion has brought me a question... Does anyone think Ron actually wanted to go to college? I mean, because personally and based on his own interests, I think Ron wouldn't really be the kind of person who would actually decide to go to college on his own. At least from my point of view, the whole plot in Graduation didn't seem like he actually cared about having a career, the thing he cared about was that college might separete him from Kim. Which, I repeat, is why the whole college issue isn't really important. It was his own doubts about himself what Ron had to overcome, not some stupid college acceptance. Do you honestly think Ron would send a college application to every college in the country if he wasn't interested? Plus he also showed alot of interest in college in Clothes Minded.
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Post by Alexlayer on Apr 22, 2008 23:16:11 GMT -5
This discussion has brought me a question... Does anyone think Ron actually wanted to go to college? I mean, because personally and based on his own interests, I think Ron wouldn't really be the kind of person who would actually decide to go to college on his own. At least from my point of view, the whole plot in Graduation didn't seem like he actually cared about having a career, the thing he cared about was that college might separete him from Kim. Which, I repeat, is why the whole college issue isn't really important. It was his own doubts about himself what Ron had to overcome, not some stupid college acceptance. Do you honestly think Ron would send a college application to every college in the country if he wasn't interested? Yeah! He's Ron, for talking out loud!
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Post by Nutzkie on Apr 23, 2008 13:17:08 GMT -5
Does anyone think Ron actually wanted to go to college? I mean, because personally and based on his own interests, I think Ron wouldn't really be the kind of person who would actually decide to go to college on his own. An interesting point, to be sure. Personally, I've always felt that college is a somewhat overrated. It's an odd statement, I know, but what I mean by it is that college isn't as universally critical to success as many people make it out to be. The way I see things, college is the right thing for most people, but not for everyone. Some people are simply better suited attending a trade school of some sort and receiving vocational training, rather than obtaining a traditional bachelor's degree. In Ron's case, I'd say a culinary institute would be a good bet, as would a mechanical and/or engineering program, given his propensity toward building complex machines on short notice from random parts. (i.e. "Bad Boy," "Partners," and "Naked Genius.") Overall, I just winder if Ron is really the college type.
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Post by Blue on Jul 9, 2008 19:48:49 GMT -5
This is my favorite cap of the whole episode(s).
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 13, 2008 0:41:00 GMT -5
This is my favorite cap of the whole episode(s). It's hot. ;D
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Jul 13, 2008 1:19:40 GMT -5
So is this:
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Aug 9, 2008 19:14:31 GMT -5
Those are both awesome screencaps, but i gotta be wierd & say THIS!!! WarGo MWAHAHAH & let us not forget RonGO: *gets pelted by other shippers*
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 9, 2008 17:45:45 GMT -5
I still think this was a greta way to end the series if somehow we don't get a 5th season. Don't get me wrong...I would like a 5th Season but if we don't get one this is still a quality way to end the series.
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Post by wolfdog72 on Dec 23, 2009 2:14:45 GMT -5
Graduation was my all time favorite out all of all the seasons. Wish they would do a seaosn 5
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Post by manofevil on Feb 6, 2010 3:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Feb 6, 2010 3:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Feb 6, 2010 3:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by shockwave on Mar 14, 2010 1:27:35 GMT -5
Skimming this thread has brought back some good memories of this episode: I've actually got tears in my eyes now, because the show's over. The symbolic locker/cleaning and walking out of the darkened school corridor scene for the last time really hits it home. Oh man, I'm actually crying: I feel like such a wuss, heh. Man, I want more Kim Possible badly, but I also get the feeling that the universe might 'jump the shark' if they continued it in the College Years, heh, no matter how awesome it would be. Oh man...
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Post by manofevil on Mar 14, 2010 17:19:08 GMT -5
Be bold, like Kim and Ron. Be not afraid to fail, as the creators were not. Every show runs the risk of jumping the shark straight out of the gate, like the new Knight Rider. That doesn't mean they were bad ideas or they shouldn't have been tried. It just means the execution failed. I have been watching old episodes myself lately and I don't think anything is ever going to ruin this show for me. Count on Kim and Ron to justify your faith in them.
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