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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 5, 2006 8:41:47 GMT -5
You and your friend, the Goat, Kurt look spiffy. I wanna meet the goat.
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Post by dracko19 on Oct 5, 2006 23:30:02 GMT -5
Seems to be going about like it usually does. Three shows have come back, and they seem to have the usual number of problems, and the usual types. The animation never comes back perfect. We call retakes on about 20% of every show -- some for poor animation, some for poorly drawn characters, some for comparatively minor things like fielding. Steve seems to be generally pleased with what he's seeing -- that's the key thing. There won't be any additional voices recorded. But part of the post process is Mark & Bob calling for additional dialogue -- looping. Jokes get added, jokes get replaced. Weak performances get redone. All part of the magic... Explain to me the "looping" process if you would. Is this like taking already recorded voices and splicing them together to make new dialogue without involving the actors/actresses that made the original? Sort of like recycling CCR's panic/scream when Kim gets in trouble (I always hear the same scream). If so, how do you make it sound so smooth and authentic if its a brand new line/joke? I'm not clear on how you can write additional dialogue or improve a performance without having another voice acting session.
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Post by Adam on Oct 5, 2006 23:44:14 GMT -5
Very good audio editors...
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Post by RavenStar on Oct 6, 2006 0:04:28 GMT -5
Explain to me the "looping" process if you would. Is this like taking already recorded voices and splicing them together to make new dialogue without involving the actors/actresses that made the original? Sort of like recycling CCR's panic/scream when Kim gets in trouble (I always hear the same scream). If so, how do you make it sound so smooth and authentic if its a brand new line/joke? I'm not clear on how you can write additional dialogue or improve a performance without having another voice acting session. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_dialogue_replacement#Automated_dialogue_replacement_.2F_post-synch
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 6, 2006 9:04:36 GMT -5
Favorite episode in season 4 so far?
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 14:43:58 GMT -5
And here I thought that was convenient shorthand...
In animation, you can swap out any dialogue you want, as long as you can match it reasonably well to the mouth movements. (Any anime on Cartoon Network is an example of this.) Generally speaking, if you can start and end at the right time, you have a lot of latitude in the middle. When the shows come back, Mark and Bob write varying amounts of new dialogue, matching the movements where necessary. The start and end times for each line are carefully noted, down to the frame. (Video has 30 frames per second.)
Then the tape and script go to the recording studio. The actors come in and match their reads to the timing of the video -- they have a screen in the booth with them. It may take them a couple of tries to strike the right balance between the timing and the performance. But this is something our actors do a lot, on other productions as well as on this one.
Sometimes Mark & Bob add dialogue to characters who are offscreen so that mouth movements are not even an issue. A good example of this was in "Naked Genius." Remember when Ron asks Drakken, "Where are your regular henchmen?" His answer -- "They're at a wedding!" -- was added in post production.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 6, 2006 14:48:54 GMT -5
Why were the henchman at a wedding?
Naked Genius is on right as I'm typing. We're at the Zaruda/Kim meeting right now.
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 16:43:11 GMT -5
Why were the henchman at a wedding? Because no one would invite them to a bar mitzvah.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 6, 2006 17:51:46 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they be invited to a bar mitzvah?
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 18:03:11 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they be invited to a bar mitzvah? Exactly my point. This sort of blatant discrimination against henchmen must stop.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 6, 2006 18:09:40 GMT -5
Amen!
Do you guys ever put political things into the show?
I mean, I'm still waiting for a Bush reference.
Though, I personally thought that Team Impossible was a political cartoon to Disney. It's my favorite episode. That and STD made me realize "this show is worth fighting for!"
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Post by Pim Peccable on Oct 6, 2006 18:52:29 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they be invited to a bar mitzvah? Exactly my point. This sort of blatant discrimination against henchmen must stop. Discrimination is evil, but ... so are henchmen! What will we DO?!
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 18:56:23 GMT -5
Do you guys ever put political things into the show? Well, there was an episode where Wade remarked, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." But that got cut after the first draft. I made that up. The answer is no. In the first place, KP is hardly an appropriate venue for that sort of thing. In the second, we have entire departments that go through these episodes (and all others) to make sure that there is nothing objectionable in them. The closest we came was a banner in Ron's room in STD that read "No on 65." As I recall, we had to assure the Standards & Practices folks that it was something of an inside joke, and not in any way political.
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Post by Adam on Oct 6, 2006 20:32:12 GMT -5
Inside, indeed... More like Bob and Mark were viwing fan forums
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Post by PossibleKim on Oct 6, 2006 20:57:13 GMT -5
Did you ever had a writer's block?
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 22:02:04 GMT -5
Discrimination is evil, but ... so are henchmen! What will we DO?! See -- that's just what I'm talking about. Clearly you're an anti-henchite!
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Post by Kurt Weldon on Oct 6, 2006 22:03:31 GMT -5
Did you ever had a writer's block? Yes. When that happens I go to Kinko's. I've found nothing concentrates the creative energies like having to pay twelve bucks an hour for computer time.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 7, 2006 9:28:56 GMT -5
Do you guys ever put political things into the show? Well, there was an episode where Wade remarked, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." But that got cut after the first draft. I made that up. The answer is no. In the first place, KP is hardly an appropriate venue for that sort of thing. In the second, we have entire departments that go through these episodes (and all others) to make sure that there is nothing objectionable in them. The closest we came was a banner in Ron's room in STD that read "No on 65." As I recall, we had to assure the Standards & Practices folks that it was something of an inside joke, and not in any way political. Yeah, that Wade remark sounds too philosophical for KP. Little kids wouldn't understand it. Whenever I see that "No on 65" banner I feel patriotic towards KP. That was prolly one of the things that spurred me to save the world... of KP. I still recall watching KP: S T D with my mum and being like, "NO ON 65, MUM! LOOK!"
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Post by Darth_Comrade on Oct 10, 2006 5:58:23 GMT -5
Ha ha!
I knew about it before I even watched it...I think the first thread I visited on SDS was about the little banner!
Who's idea was it to put it there anyway? And what spurred it?
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 10, 2006 8:09:38 GMT -5
Well, mind you, the first time I didn't notice, but after seeing it a few dozen times and hearing it on various KP places, I would do that. Sometimes I beam with pride.
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