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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 26, 2007 21:57:36 GMT -5
She's evil. I'm glad i don't know someone like her.
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Post by DP on Aug 26, 2007 22:18:25 GMT -5
But there are some good things about her. (And by good, I don't necessarily mean morally good) Otherwise no one would like her.
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 26, 2007 22:28:19 GMT -5
But there are some good things about her. (And by good, I don't necessarily mean morally good) Otherwise no one would like her. Hahaha. Not everything good can be morally good. That's for another thread though. lol. ;D
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Post by DP on Aug 26, 2007 22:38:28 GMT -5
But there are some good things about her. (And by good, I don't necessarily mean morally good) Otherwise no one would like her. Hahaha. Not everything good can be morally good. That's for another thread though. lol. ;D Lol thanks.
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Post by FarAwayGirl on Aug 27, 2007 9:32:50 GMT -5
I have nothing against Bonnie. She's mean to Kim but Kim seems to deal OK so I still love her,
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Post by Warmonga on Aug 27, 2007 11:02:26 GMT -5
Warmonga doesn't like this Bonnie person. She enters Warmonga's thread, insulting Warmonga for not being human, then insults Warmonga's knowledge of the English language, and then acts like she's better than Warmonga. What has she done that there is for Warmonga to like? Simply thought that belonged in here rather than Warmonga's Ask Me thread.
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Post by Alexlayer on Aug 27, 2007 11:04:33 GMT -5
Then bring her here! ;D
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Post by FarAwayGirl on Aug 27, 2007 12:46:54 GMT -5
^^ That was cute warmonga
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 28, 2007 8:49:00 GMT -5
Warmonga doesn't like this Bonnie person. She enters Warmonga's thread, insulting Warmonga for not being human, then insults Warmonga's knowledge of the English language, and then acts like she's better than Warmonga. What has she done that there is for Warmonga to like? That was well said Warmonga.
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Post by lonestarr357 on Aug 28, 2007 18:59:58 GMT -5
I'd like to lay another issue on the table, if I may.
I know how people here are, for the most part, fiercely protective of the concept of K/R.
So why is it that when Josh, minding his own business, stands in the way of K/R ("Crush", "Blush"), he's the Anti-Christ, but Bonnie, who willfully gets in the way of K/R when she snuggles up to Ron ("Homecoming Upset"), is a hero who discovered the cure for cancer?
If I could get a non-biased answer to this question, I'd be eternally grateful.
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Post by Alexlayer on Aug 28, 2007 20:07:28 GMT -5
Well, getting a non-biased answer is not easy here, but I can give a humble opinion.
For the record, I never had anything against Josh, I even liked the character a bit (Or rather, Kim's interaction with him). I like him for whom he is, just like I like Bonnie for whom she is. Bonnie is just more popular because she's a more recurring character.
It's the people that, as you said, are so protective with K/R that hate both Josh, Bonnie or any idea or a pairing that could break them up. Simple as that.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Aug 29, 2007 22:00:28 GMT -5
Bonnie is just more popular because she's a more recurring character. My theory is that Bonnie's popular because she's pretty and some people are into -itches. That's basically it. I've always felt that if she were considerably less physically attractive, no one would be carrying on about how awesome she is. I think there's a mental disconnect some people make when exceptionally good-looking people do and say rotten things. Bonnie is overtly and willfully mean. She's self-centered and completely willing to hold someone back (for as long as they will let her) for her own selfish reasons (Brick anyone?). She is ungrateful, spiteful, and manipulative. She never ever learns anything and doesn't want to learn anything. On top of that, she doesn't seem to think she needs to learn anything, either. Her ideal man? Big, dumb, and easily manipulated. While she isn't evil, these are not admirable traits, no matter how anyone tries to spin them. Not to mention her priorities are seriously skewed: From "Homecoming Upset"-- Bonnie: Brick. If he had just flunked senior year one more time he'd be here to rule at my side instead of off at college. One would think she'd have wanted him to graduate HS if for no reason than to brag about dating a college man. Way to shoot for the stars, Bon Bon! *thumbs up* Bonnie (to SSJ): (giggles) So, you're definitely not going to college? *"I Like 'Em Big and Stupid" by Julie Brown plays* Y'know what? They both totally deserve each other. I'd like to lay another issue on the table, if I may. I know how people here are, for the most part, fiercely protective of the concept of K/R. So why is it that when Josh, minding his own business, stands in the way of K/R ("Crush", "Blush"), he's the Anti-Christ, but Bonnie, who willfully gets in the way of K/R when she snuggles up to Ron ("Homecoming Upset"), is a hero who discovered the cure for cancer? If I could get a non-biased answer to this question, I'd be eternally grateful. I'll give it a shot. Well, getting a non-biased answer is not easy here, but I can give a humble opinion. For the record, I never had anything against Josh, I even liked the character a bit (Or rather, Kim's interaction with him). I like him for whom he is, just like I like Bonnie for whom she is. Bonnie is just more popular because she's a more recurring character. It's the people that, as you said, are so protective with K/R that hate both Josh, Bonnie or any idea or a pairing that could break them up. Simple as that. I can only speak for myself, but I'm a die-hard K/R fan and I never hated Josh either. He seemed like an okay guy and credibly crush-worthy. He also wasn't mean to Kim or anyone else as far as I could tell. There never seemed to be any potential for Josh to re-enter the picture after "Emotion Sickness". IIRC, Kim didn't even harbor any ill will toward him in that ep ("We grew apart. It was time to move on. So not the drama."). I don't even think he's been mentioned since then, has he? I've no real reason to dislike Josh at all. Bonnie, however, is another story. My dislike for her has nothing to do with her being any kind of threat to Kim and Ron's relationship. Long before "Homecoming Upset" I knew she was no threat to them, so that's not why I can't stand her. Rather, it's every single thing she's ever actually said and done on the show that makes me dislike Bon Bon (especially after "Ron Millionaire").
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Post by beeftony on Aug 31, 2007 18:09:27 GMT -5
You admire a person who does anything to serve her own selfish agenda no matter who she hurts? Riiiiight. At least Kim goes out of her way to actually help people everyday, she's doesn't try to feed her ego 24/7. Name the last time Bonnie went out of her way for someone, a whiny brat is stilll a whiny brat no matter how you spin it. Bonnie is pretty much my least favorite character on the show. You'll notice that Kim was willing to forgive Bonnie (to an extent) after Bonnie kissed her boyfriend even though she didn't deserve it. Of course knowing you, you'll probably come up with some bs excuse saying its an example that Kim doesn't care about Ron enough because of it. You'll notice I never said that I like Bonnie. She's a total bi tch. I'm just being the devil's advocate here. I find it apalling that a thread created for the sole purpose of bashing a character exists, much less that it is still alive. I feel that we need to look at both sides of the issue before we come to a reasonable conclusion. Or is my faith in humanity just too high?
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Post by lonestarr357 on Sept 1, 2007 20:01:09 GMT -5
I find it apalling that a thread created for the sole purpose of bashing a character exists, much less that it is still alive. I feel that we need to look at both sides of the issue before we come to a reasonable conclusion. Or is my faith in humanity just too high? What a coincidence. It's my lack of faith in humanity that keeps me contributing to a thread like this. As long as there are Bonnies in the world, there will be people like me whining about it. The moment they go away - every last one of them - I'll stop.
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Post by dracko19 on Sept 2, 2007 12:42:41 GMT -5
Bonnie is a necessary "evil" in KP. KP eps are divided into 2 segemants traditionally. There is the High School drama and the Save The World drama. You need a villian for both to accomplish the drama the writers seek. Bonnie is the High School Villian. Making her cute and popular lends to the drama. Most of the true villians get to use sarcastic remarks or goofball humor to make them more likable. Bonnie is just "pure evil". She is just flat out "mean" and never gives you anything to enjoy beyond her looks. If you don't particularly like Kim as a character, you might enjoy Bonnie cuz all she does is rag on Kim.
We had a chance to see her inner workings in "Bonding". Bonnie's mean streak is clearly a result of her older sisters ragging on her. You almost felt sorry for her in the ep.
So, I understand many of you don't like Bonnie. But, realize she is necessary and that the show would be LESS ENJOYABLE without her.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Sept 2, 2007 18:00:09 GMT -5
Bonnie is a necessary "evil" in KP. KP eps are divided into 2 segemants traditionally. There is the High School drama and the Save The World drama. You need a villian for both to accomplish the drama the writers seek. Bonnie is the High School Villian. Making her cute and popular lends to the drama. Most of the true villians get to use sarcastic remarks or goofball humor to make them more likable. Bonnie is just "pure evil". She is just flat out "mean" and never gives you anything to enjoy beyond her looks. If you don't particularly like Kim as a character, you might enjoy Bonnie cuz all she does is rag on Kim. ...and Ron. I'm fully aware of her place within the show and accept her for who she is. I dislike her character, but wouldn't want her gone. There has to be at least one character in Kim's civilian life to who willfully causes her grief (and sometimes brings out the worst in her) and Bonnie is that character. I only take issue with those who constantly make excuses for her behavior and seem to want her to be something she clearly isn't. We had a chance to see her inner workings in "Bonding". Bonnie's mean streak is clearly a result of her older sisters ragging on her. You almost felt sorry for her in the ep. Emphasis on "almost". So, I understand many of you don't like Bonnie. But, realize she is necessary and that the show would be LESS ENJOYABLE without her. This is pretty much how I feel about Bonnie. I hate her the same way I hated J.R. Ewing or Alexis Carrington. She's the "mean girl" you love to hate and is a completely necessary part of "Kim Possible".
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Post by beeftony on Sept 4, 2007 15:17:36 GMT -5
I find it apalling that a thread created for the sole purpose of bashing a character exists, much less that it is still alive. I feel that we need to look at both sides of the issue before we come to a reasonable conclusion. Or is my faith in humanity just too high? What a coincidence. It's my lack of faith in humanity that keeps me contributing to a thread like this. As long as there are Bonnies in the world, there will be people like me whining about it. The moment they go away - every last one of them - I'll stop. Oh, I have no problem with what you're saying. You raised some very valid points that I completely agree with. You have presented your arguments in a measured and intelligent--if somewhat emotional--manner. So have several others on this thread. My problem is with the concept behind the creation of this topic. Look at the first post in this thread: NOTE: This thread is for venting Bonnie hatred so we don't spam up all the other threads. Thus, it is constructive to that end. Bonnie lovers beware. Nowhere in this statement is reasonable debate guaranteed. It's basically calling for unadulterated character bashing, which is ultimately useless. I am grateful that the intelligent ones among us have chosen to rise above simple hatred and flaming of a character, but I have to question the usefulness of this thread. As Dracko said, Bonnie is the way she is because she has been placed in the role of one of the primary antagonists. She was intended to be loathed. What, then, is the point of a discussion like this? Bonnie is never going to change, and the people like her out in the real world probably aren't going to change either. Why complain about it? Why state the obvious? I suppose a possible reason is because it makes you feel better, but instead of using Bonnie's character as some sort of voodoo doll to get back at the people she represents by pointing out all her flaws, why not try to find her redeemable qualities? A great many people who are like Bonnie are that way because that's how they were raised. Is declaring your hatred for them really going to solve anything? Knowing how Bonnie would probably react to this sort of thing, I'd say it will only encourage them. Just look at both sides of the issue, is what I'm saying. Let's have a debate, not an argument. I respect your right to your views and I actually agree with most of them. But card-stacking will get you nowhere. Yes, I realize I'm being a hypocrite by saying this. But that doesn't make it any less true. I seem to be rambling now, so I'll just stop....
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Sept 4, 2007 15:49:00 GMT -5
My problem is with the concept behind the creation of this topic. Look at the first post in this thread: NOTE: This thread is for venting Bonnie hatred so we don't spam up all the other threads. Thus, it is constructive to that end. Bonnie lovers beware. Nowhere in this statement is reasonable debate guaranteed. It's basically calling for unadulterated character bashing, which is ultimately useless. I am grateful that the intelligent ones among us have chosen to rise above simple hatred and flaming of a character, but I have to question the usefulness of this thread. As Dracko said, Bonnie is the way she is because she has been placed in the role of one of the primary antagonists. She was intended to be loathed. What, then, is the point of a discussion like this? Bonnie is never going to change, and the people like her out in the real world probably aren't going to change either. Why complain about it? Why state the obvious? I suppose a possible reason is because it makes you feel better, but instead of using Bonnie's character as some sort of voodoo doll to get back at the people she represents by pointing out all her flaws, why not try to find her redeemable qualities? A great many people who are like Bonnie are that way because that's how they were raised. Is declaring your hatred for them really going to solve anything? Knowing how Bonnie would probably react to this sort of thing, I'd say it will only encourage them. Just look at both sides of the issue, is what I'm saying. Let's have a debate, not an argument. I respect your right to your views and I actually agree with most of them. But card-stacking will get you nowhere. Yes, I realize I'm being a hypocrite by saying this. But that doesn't make it any less true. I seem to be rambling now, so I'll just stop.... READ: because it makes you feel better.Yes, the bolded WAS the entire point of the venting thread. It's a place to vent. To angrily rant. To take out your anger on that b**** who deserves a few good slugs to her miserable mug.
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Post by beeftony on Sept 5, 2007 10:23:33 GMT -5
And what exactly is that going to accomplish other than insulting people who happen to like Bonnie? (not saying that I do, just throwing that out there) Yes, I know there's a warning, but to be honest that only makes me want to read it more.
I don't see the point of only focusing on the negative aspects of a character. I know from experience that doing so leads nowhere (just look at my rant about Kim's flaws). Ranting about something may make you feel better, but it has the potential to hurt others.
I suppose what I'm asking is: do we really need this thread? Everybody knows that Bonnie is a first class bitch. That's old news. Get the hell over it already and remember that her character was designed to be hated. Affirming your hatred for her won't solve anything, and people like me won't let you feel better for doing it because using a cartoon character as a whipping boy (or girl, in this case) only makes you look like a coward for being too afraid to confront the people she's supposed to represent.
Ranting is for blogs. Forums are the proper place for debates. Let's look at both sides of the issue here and stop whining about a character that we're supposed to antagonize anyway.
That's all I have to say for now.
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Sept 5, 2007 10:30:18 GMT -5
And what exactly is that going to accomplish other than insulting people who happen to like Bonnie? Well, at the time it was meant as a measure to keep the Homecoming Upset thread from getting too clogged with death threats on Bonnie. It has outlived its original purpose. And we're not insulting people who like her. We're insulting her. If our opinions that aren't yours existing is an insult then yes, we are insulting. And hey, we warned you. It says RAYOR. So, we never invited Bonnie lovers in here. We never WANTED Bonnie lovers in here. And we certainly never expected them to be so darn aggressive about us having other opinions. So, we're sorry if our voicing opinions insulted Bonnie lovers, but we need a place to let it out. And better to let it out here than in a thread where we'll get flamed to death for it.
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