so the drama inferrings

[charp]

We all know of the subtleties in So The Drama. Begin with your interpretations of reading between the lines here.

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

Post naco-petition. Ron's expression of gratitude to Kim was a little random of speech to someone he has known so long. One would be a little more casual, assuming appreciation to be understood. To me, the fact that he would express that, says a little more about what he was feeling.

[Ashley Benlove]

Well, I always thought that the whole thing of Kim's weakness being boys was... in reading between the lines, I thought that it was more that Kim's weakness is her compassion for human life.

[charp]

After, eric it did seem kinda sudden that KP would go for Ron last minute after the whole ron's not bf material with her mom. I know there was foreshadowing of this in season 3 but it didn't seem like Kim was really that jealous enough compared to Ron in So the Drama. And technically, we never saw them at a dance together since she was always trying to go with josh mankey.

as a side note, there should be speculation as to what they did during junior summer vacation as a new couple.

[Ashley Benlove]

Trust me, we're all speculating on that.

[charp]

charp said:

After, eric it did seem kinda sudden that KP would go for Ron last minute after the whole ron's not bf material with her mom. I know there was foreshadowing of this in season 3 but it didn't seem like Kim was really that jealous enough compared to Ron in So the Drama. And technically, we never saw them at a dance together since she was always trying to go with josh mankey.

Okay, so anyone wanna explain this and prove that KP wasn't sorta rebounding?

[Carbon]

(repost of this- again)

carbon said:

My point of view on that whole part of the movie, is that Kim was hoping Ron would say something about his feelings from the time when he said "I think I know what this is about", when he has his petition for Bueno Nacho.

Notice how she seems to get her hopes up, followed by disapointment when Ron apologizes for not beating Dr. Drakken.

On the phone, Mrs. Possible pretty much tricks Kim into saying that it is because of the food chain. And when Kim does say it, she realizes what she has said and quickly says "No!"

The reason Ron is not an acceptable date, or 'boyfriend material', is because he would be going to the prom with Kim as "best friends", not in a romantic capacity. that is the problem. Not that it's Ron. The part about what Bonnie said that really got to Kim was not the food chain part, it was the you don't have a boyfriend part. She knew the whole time that the 'food chain' part was a stupid thing, but I suppose focusing on it was her way of (not) dealing with the real issue.

In the next scene, Monique almost has her talked back into liking the idea of going with Ron, until she sees him on his sticker covered scooter. too much "child like charm"

When she sees Ron say "I'm losing everything I've ever cared about!", she knows what he's talking about. so she goes to his treehouse to talk to him. She tries to smooth things over with Ron and cheer him up,
what does she really say?

"it was fun! when we were kids, I mean"
"maybe something more than the Bueno Nacho sitch is bothering you..."
"We're not in Pre-K any more, time to grow up"

Those lines can mean one of two things, in my eyes.

1. Kim doesn't want to be friends with Ron anymore, (it was fun when we were kids)
2. Kim doesn't want to be just friends with Ron anymore. -but she wants Ron to step up and be clear about his feelings, now, not when he was at camp wannaweep

Then the very next scene, Eric asks Kim to the prom- her reply? a nervous "oh.... K.."
Not an excited Yes! or anything like that.

Then of course you know the tied up at Bueno Nacho scene- (my personal favorite, possibly of the entire series) and what happens after that.

I don't see Ron taking advantage of someone on the rebound, I see a movie where Kim is hoping Ron will tell her that he likes her romantically, even pushing him a little. (time to grow up)

Does that mean Kim didn't like Eric when he was still good? no. But he certainly wasn't the only guy on her mind for most of the movie, or even the main one.

[charp]

All good pts. I guess the plot of this show is somewhat limited given its a disney cartoon and why there is so much more room for characterization in fan fic.

It seemed like in STD, Ron just took for granted that he was going to kim to the prom, and not really wanting to officially ask her. And that's true; kim was going to go with ron except for Eric who came out of nowhere and she barely knew. Though when ron got jealous, she kinda pushed it aside because of eric. It would've been nice if the movie hadnt had to rush through all this though. And again, we've never seen kim and ron at a dance together as friends which is sad.

Now that she is with ron, the relationship seems really stable because it was based on friendship, unlike her other dates which were all crushes.

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

In my opinion, I don't think she really had enough to time to get so into Eric that she would need to rebound on anyone.

[Jigsaw]

theres also the question: Was Ron going to tell Kim how he felt even though she was dating Eric? At first Ron said he was but than he seemed to change his mind because he was afraid she wouldn't leave Eric for him. and he was right to think like that because I was wondering the same thing at that point. When he got to the prom he got all defensive and insulted Eric. I guess that was a sign that he was still going to tell Kim how he felt. The biggest problem is that STD set up for a perfect ending where Ron was going to tell Kim how he felt thus overcoming his fear of being rejected and Kim excepting Ron and leaving Eric, she would basically be leaving the perfect guy for Ron, that would have been perfect. But Eric turned out to be a fake thus the question "What if Kim wants Eric and not me?" goes unanswered and it looked like Kim settled for Ron in the end so instead of getting a perfect ending we get a very confusing one.

even though Season 4 gave some good indication that Kim didn't settle for him, the one quote that still stands is this:

"Not all of us have to date the quarterback, Bonnie."-Kim
"Not all of us can, Kim."-Bonnie.

The fact is, no one other than Ron wants to be with Kim and that quote was a reminder of that. It made it look like Kim had no choice but to date Ron. Kim says she wouldn't leave Ron for anyone but is she even sure what she would do if another pretty boy came along and tempted her. you notice when ever a pretty boy comes along, Kim shoves ever thing aside: Ron, her friendship with Monique, her honesty to her friends and family, and don't forget that she risked her life to go out with Josh. It just seems like the writers should put her to the test and have a new guy make a move on Kim and have Kim turn him down, have her prove that she wouldn't leave Ron for anyone. I hope something like that happens in future episodes. And I hope they bring up Eric in a conversation because I hate the fact that they only referenced him so far and acted like he wasn't the reason Kim and Ron got together.

[tucsoncoyote]

I think the full crux of the nature of Kim and Ron's Friendship really wasn't shown until you get to the part where both Kim and ron are tied up in Bueno Nacho's Warehouse. and that is where what i like to Call attention to.

I mean the line that starts this psychology is where Ron asks Kim the question of what the plan is...

Ron: So KP, what's the plan?

at this pont Ron is asking Kim a question about how do they get out of this tight spot (as they have been in tight spots before.)

Kim: Ron, I.... I got Nothing!

At this point Kim feels like she's been Cheated, or worse, used by the dupe of Eric (being that he is a synthodrone. what we see here is what I call "A reversion to Childhood." for Kim. At this point Kim feels very vulnerable, almost like a Hurt child.

Ron: That's My Line, and what's worse, that's quitter Talk!
Now this is a point in the movie where we see Ron go from the klutzy awkward teenager / Child and suddenly become an adult (after all remember what was said earlier in the movie.. Kim thought Ron was still a child, and he would remain this way. but it seems right here at this point, Ron's Adult side kicks in, and in fact he gets downright serious but he's not angry at Kim, rather in a way he's tryinmg to cheer her up.

Kim (In a Dejected tone): Drakken finally won... I should have stuck to Babysitting.

At this point Kim is actually showing some of her own child-like qualities. In short, she feels vulnerable, almost used and you can tell in her voice she's really downing herself. She may have realized at this point, that she was the one who was vulnerable. and usually when someone goes vulnerable (Psychologically Speaking), most teenagers and adults can and sometime do revert back to the scared frightened child..(and in this case, Kim was indeed scared... She had lost the battle, was now sitting there dejected, and not even contemplating what could happen after Drakken succeeded in his scheme. (Dejected and Depressed folks tend to ponder if their lives mean anythnig, and in Kim's case she had on all levels, totally failed. but that's where the dynamics start to change with Ron's Next Line:

Ron: Okay KP, this Pity Fiesta is over! Drakken didn't win, he played you...

This line is perhaps Ron's attempt at changing Kim's Attitude and it shows what really true friendship is all about. Ron is telling Kim that she didn't fail him nor the world. That Drakken was the one who used her here, and in fact At this pont, Ron still believed in Kim figuring a way out of this mess. and that he was in a way trying to bring her back to her independent and focused self.

but then this issue takes a unique turn as Ron starts to do something amazing here, he

Ron: And you know KP.. there are guys out there, you know real guys...

It's here that Ron is suggesting to Kim that there are guys who are a lot better for her and that she doesn't really have to look to far to find them. In a way here Ron is admitting his personal feelings for Kim but he still is skirting the issue about wanting to be more then "Just friends"

Kim: Is there really a guy out there for me?

At this point Kim is still Dejected but not to the point she was moments earlier when she was at her most vulnerable. But she's asking a question to Ron about those other guys... and yet it's the next line that finally slams home the question of where the relationship was going.

Ron: Out there... In Here.

it's at this point where Ron says to Kim in a bit of a roundabout way, "You got a BF a lot closer then you think..and the facial expression and her next line says it all...

Kim: Oh... Really?

I think here is where the entire thing between them is made.. it's almost like the lightbulb in Kim's mind has switched on. She realizes that she's had a Male friend who wants to spend time with her, to be part of her life, (and he has all along). She's laughed with him, he's been there for her when she needed him the most, and in fact She realizes in her mind that maybe Ronald Stoppable (the Klutzy person who loses his pants from time to time), isn't really a bad guy.. Maybe there is something within him that keeps her close... and not worried..

of course after this point the psychology gets sidetracked as Rufus shows up.. But in those brief moments you had this issue where two people looked at each other in a different light.. and maybe saw something in each other they hadn't seen before.

of course i would like to see folks argue this one.. after all this is standard human Psychology and it deals with the Parent-Adult-Child set up in most psychology circles. and in this one scene you see a lot of Psychology flying around I might add, so then anyone want to challenge this?

Tucsoncoyote--




and you know... there are other guys out there, other guys who are real.

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

While I would have loved to see Ron burst into the prom dramatically and declare his feelings aloud before Erick was revealed as a synthodrone, I love and completely agree with tusconcoyote's argument.

[charp]

It's so funny how all of us speculate on the psychology of movie. I wonder if the writers were actually thinking this hard when they created the movie.

Other examples of how this is seen is how some of the earlier episodes of KP looked like they were "crushing" but in reality were not. Like the fearless feret and the bueno nacho job ones.