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Post by drakkenfan on May 28, 2010 16:37:13 GMT -5
What the heck is that, a door knob?
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Post by Dr. Feelgood on May 28, 2010 18:46:24 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for flying cars! You mean I waited all these years for a hoverboard for nothing? I'M WORKING ON IT! HAVE SOME FRIKKEN PATIENCE!!! Science isn't done overnight you know...
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Post by drakkenfan on May 28, 2010 19:13:20 GMT -5
Remember to sell your idea to Mattel... it's gotta say Mattel on it.
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Post by Dr. Feelgood on May 28, 2010 20:01:54 GMT -5
Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of emergency vehicles, but okay! Mattel it is!
Just gotta break some laws of physics... Shouldn't be a problem, after all, I deal in Mad Science! Regular Science is for babies.
Dum-de-dum... *psssshhhhh* Uh-oh!
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Post by Zephyr on May 28, 2010 20:04:18 GMT -5
Also remember that scientific progress goes "boink".
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Post by Dr. Feelgood on May 28, 2010 20:08:21 GMT -5
Duly noted!
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Post by Nightspade on May 29, 2010 8:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by ShadigoIzayoi on May 29, 2010 12:00:19 GMT -5
Also remember that scientific progress goes "boink". I thought it went "Cake"?
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Post by imipak on May 29, 2010 22:12:53 GMT -5
Also remember that scientific progress goes "boink". I thought it went "Cake"? Actually, I think it goes "Don't Blink", followed by something about timey-wimey stuff.
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Post by elvisjj on Jun 6, 2010 18:57:12 GMT -5
Good question kittykax it's all up to the fans...all of you Kim Possible fans here and out there on how long Kim Possible's life lasts.
For me I take a picture out of one of my favorite Disney animated movies Hercules. I can go the distance...and I will go the distance for as long as it takes. It's all about believing in what you started and believing in what you love. Case in point Family Guy fans, Futurama fans, even Scooby Doo fans keep getting their show back because they go the distance...the question is will the Kim Possible fans here at RS.net go the distance?
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 6, 2010 19:37:41 GMT -5
Um dude, you do know you're replying to a member who's last log in was a little under a year ago, right? I'd be surprised if she even cares about KP anymore. I still don't know how you got it in your head that Kim Possible is anywhere near as popular as Family Guy, Futurama, or Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo is a freaking cultural icon! How many kids do you see running around with Kim Possible back packs or lunch boxes? And you gotta be kidding with that go the distance shtick. If no one else will say it I will. As much as I liked KP, it was only a flash in the pan cartoon. And not a very large flash at that. The only ones I see rallying for it's renewal are a bunch of men out of range of the target audience who seem to like the show a little too much due to some perverse sexual appeal. Sure, I like drawn girls too, but at least I don't try to organize a campaign just to get my fap material put back on the air. And yes I said fap material. I'm beginning to suspect that the FFF is nothing more than a collection of fetishists. Case in point: You can't tell me that there's no sexuality in that image. Five girls in cheerleader outfits swooning while Ron looks up from underneath them, there's definitely some serious subtext there. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the only reason so many of you guys identify with the character of Ron is not because he represents you, but rather what you see yourself as and furthermore what you want to be. He's an inept loser, but he still gets hooked up with a hot girl. A cheerleader at that. He's surrounded by beautiful and stylized girls who while they reject him most of the time, have at times also been for what ever reason attracted to him (he suddenly became rich, he got a little fame, he got a flippin' hair cut, whatever) and lose whatever feminist appeal they might have had. He eats nothing but junk food but still remains at average to slightly above average in health. He had mystical magic dropped into his lap for no reason at all other than mere chance and got another (this one submissive) hot girl with a crush on him with it as well. And what really gets me is how some of your number will cite Kim as being a positive role model to girls while doing your little campaign. Yeah, she's a feminist role model all right I won't argue that. Here's the thing of it though: You can't use feminism as an argument to justify a show being on the air if you like to use the primary character (OR ANY CHARACTER) for male masturbatory pleasure! IT JUST DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
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Post by lordvictorino on Jun 6, 2010 21:47:38 GMT -5
Um dude, you do know you're replying to a member who's last log in was a little under a year ago, right? I'd be surprised if she even cares about KP anymore. I still don't know how you got it in your head that Kim Possible is anywhere near as popular as Family Guy, Futurama, or Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo is a freaking cultural icon! How many kids do you see running around with Kim Possible back packs or lunch boxes? And you gotta be kidding with that go the distance shtick. If no one else will say it I will. As much as I liked KP, it was only a flash in the pan cartoon. And not a very large flash at that. The only ones I see rallying for it's renewal are a bunch of men out of range of the target audience who seem to like the show a little too much due to some perverse sexual appeal. Sure, I like drawn girls too, but at least I don't try to organize a campaign just to get my fap material put back on the air. And yes I said fap material. I'm beginning to suspect that the FFF is nothing more than a collection of fetishists. Case in point: You can't tell me that there's no sexuality in that image. Five girls in cheerleader outfits swooning while Ron looks up from underneath them, there's definitely some serious subtext there. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the only reason so many of you guys identify with the character of Ron is not because he represents you, but rather what you see yourself as and furthermore what you want to be. He's an inept loser, but he still gets hooked up with a hot girl. A cheerleader at that. He's surrounded by beautiful and stylized girls who while they reject him most of the time, have at times also been for what ever reason attracted to him (he suddenly became rich, he got a little fame, he got a flippin' hair cut, whatever) and lose whatever feminist appeal they might have had. He eats nothing but junk food but still remains at average to slightly above average in health. He had mystical magic dropped into his lap for no reason at all other than mere chance and got another (this one submissive) hot girl with a crush on him with it as well. And what really gets me is how some of your number will cite Kim as being a positive role model to girls while doing your little campaign. Yeah, she's a feminist role model all right I won't argue that. Here's the thing of it though: You can't use feminism as an argument to justify a show being on the air if you like to use the primary character (OR ANY CHARACTER) for male masturbatory pleasure! IT JUST DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. Hi nightspade, I find it quite amusing that when there is so much Adult Material of cartoon shows out there, with or without the shows still being on the air, I might add. That others think that there must be something Lewd about someone wanting a G Rated Cartoon Show to have another season. Are you kidding me? Seems to be just the opposite, if you ask me. I think a lot of people who are into perverse sexual fetishists don't seem to like G Rated Canon to much. I for one like the show for what it is. ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS EVER!!! Nothing more, nothing less. Dare I say, maybe better than those shows you have listed above. And a G Rated Show, I must add, as well. But that's just my personal opinion. And to each is to his/her own. IMO, Mark and Bob created the Most Powerful Character in all the Whole Cartoon Universe. I am Kim Possible, I can do Anything. Even Superman can't say that. And as far as the Banner, I really don't see any sexuality in the Image. Girls in Cheerleader Outfits with their legs closed, with Ron looking at them pointing toward The New ronstoppable.net Banner. Looks Pretty G Rated to me. But it does seem to be missing something... Hmmm... OH! I KNOW! That's much better. ;D Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 6, 2010 22:50:34 GMT -5
But it does seem to be missing something... Hmmm... And that would be? OH! I KNOW! OH FUDGE! KRYPTONITE! MY ONE WEAKNESS! Tony! How... did you... know?
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Post by imipak on Jun 8, 2010 18:47:34 GMT -5
(snip)I still don't know how you got it in your head that Kim Possible is anywhere near as popular as Family Guy, Futurama, or Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo is a freaking cultural icon! How many kids do you see running around with Kim Possible back packs or lunch boxes? And you gotta be kidding with that go the distance shtick.(snip) You know that Doctor Who thing? Flash in the pan. Never last. They don't even have the original actors any more! How many kids do you see with those Dalek costumes? Sorry if this sounds mean at all, but this really WAS the attitude of the BBC during the time John Nathan Turner produced the series. They honestly, sincerely believed that it was a flash-in-the-pan that had died out decades earlier. So much so that they destroyed a large chunk of their archive. Supposedly by accident, but I don't think anyone really believed this after the third time it happened. It had plenty of fetishists interested in it too. You think Leela or Romana mk 2 were there for anything but eye-candy for the lads? Same with most of the female characters in the New Series - and especially in the Torchwood spin-off. It actually got so bad that a superb actress (Janet Fielding) quit acting and joined a vocal feminist movement in response. (I have nothing but respect and admiration for her decision.) It had times when its audience fell well below Kim Possible's ratings at their worst. It had times when lead actors were fired and replaced because of the tension and friction involved. It is now a major international success, second only to Star Trek in terms of popularity or profitability. Cult TV series most Americans had never even heard of (The Avengers, The Saint) garnered enough interest for Hollywood to invest in turning them into feature films. Sure the movies were not that good, but more Americans have seen and enjoyed Kim Possible than have seen, let alone enjoyed, the Roger Moore Saint series, yet it was good enough. The animation "South Park" uses a technique taken directly from a cult mini-animation company in Britain that produced the classics "Bagpus", "Ivor the Engine" and "Noggin the Nog". South Park has a few more people doing the voices, and is perhaps a little edgier on the scripts, but if we're talking strictly what is seen, the relationships between characters, etc, there's no difference at all. I'm not saying you're wrong (or right), what I am saying is that things aren't simple. Kim Possible is neither doomed to fade nor fated to be a superstar amongst animation. All that is certain is that the dead can't grow. The living might or might not. That is down to the scripts and the presentation. Anything can gain interest if done well, anything can lose interest if done badly. Destiny is about what you make of it.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 9, 2010 14:55:58 GMT -5
Again, I really doubt you can compare an established and well liked franchise, however it may have started out, to a cancelled show. Doctor Who is popular because it's a great concept and originanlly implemented.
What's so revolutionary about Kim Possible? That the characters do the right thing every episode? That they have to struggle regulary to make moral decisions? That they go to High School? Is it the fact that the best friends who are of the opposite gender hook up? The Spi-fi setting? Witty deconstruction of villain/hero cliches? Sorry, all of it's been done before.
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Post by manofevil on Jun 9, 2010 21:19:05 GMT -5
Where exactly?
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Post by Joe Stoppinghem on Jun 9, 2010 21:39:24 GMT -5
If you want to take that argument then everything has been done before since Shakespeare.
It was the writing, dialog, character design, the twist on the secret agent, mad scientist, best friends become boyfriend/girlfriend.
So, yea much of it may have been done before but I will say it was refreshing to have a show where the kids did have an attitude, but they were basically good kids.
On Nick, the show ICarly, her friend Sam is a rude, mean and hurtfull to the guy friend of Carly, basically a bully. Does Carly stick up for the guy, no.
Nice example of how to treat friends.
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Post by imipak on Jun 9, 2010 21:40:01 GMT -5
Like I said, Doctor Who was canceled. Once with Colin Baker, once with Sylvester McCoy, once with Paul McGann, and maybe you can include the cancellation of K9 And Company in there as well... I'm impressed by how often a show can be canceled and still go strong. The Tomorrow People (canceled after Revenge of Jedekiah, again after the end of the original series, again with the new series, and then again with the Big Finish audios) is another example of the multi-cancel. True, you can argue the originality of Kim Possible. There's not a whole lot there that wasn't done in The Avengers with Patrick McNee and Honor Blackman, or with the later stories with Diana Riggs (for those who missed the better stories). Kim and Ron do indeed watch out for diabolical masterminds. Bowler hats - not so much. The only difference between Dr. Armstrong from The Avengers and Dr Drakken is that Drakken survives. Mind you, The Avengers was just a re-boot of Police Surgeon, and Doctor Who was really just a re-boot of Quatermas, so neither of those was really all that original either. movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-attack-of-the-80s-cartoons.htmlOn the other hand, Kim Possible IS fresher and IS more original than, say, The Smurfs, The A-Team, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, Voltron,... In short, just about everything large sums of money are being spent on by Hollywood. And, if I'm not mistaken, just about everything large sums of money are being spent on by audiences. Sooooooo. You might want to reconsider this "originality" thing.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 10, 2010 1:22:24 GMT -5
Totally Spies, Johnny Quest, Johnny Test, Venture Bros., Gargoyles, Danny Phantom, Lizzie McGuire, Hannah Montana, so on and so forth. If you want to take that argument then everything has been done before since Shakespeare. It was the writing, dialog, character design, the twist on the secret agent, mad scientist, best friends become boyfriend/girlfriend. Writing and dialog how? And oh yes, the twist on the secret agent, something that hasn't been done since Cody Banks, Spy Kids, Totally Spies, or Alex Rider. Again, best friends hooking up isn't a new idea.So, yea much of it may have been done before but I will say it was refreshing to have a show where the kids did have an attitude, but they were basically good kids. That's every show ever. On Nick, the show ICarly, her friend Sam is a rude, mean and hurtfull to the guy friend of Carly, basically a bully. Does Carly stick up for the guy, no. Case in point. Sam and Freddie are still friends. Maybe more. Also, they aren't exactly high school age so immaturity is a given. Nice example of how to treat friends. Indeed.Like I said, Doctor Who was canceled. Once with Colin Baker, once with Sylvester McCoy, once with Paul McGann, and maybe you can include the cancellation of K9 And Company in there as well... I'm impressed by how often a show can be canceled and still go strong. The Tomorrow People (canceled after Revenge of Jedekiah, again after the end of the original series, again with the new series, and then again with the Big Finish audios) is another example of the multi-cancel. True, you can argue the originality of Kim Possible. There's not a whole lot there that wasn't done in The Avengers with Patrick McNee and Honor Blackman, or with the later stories with Diana Riggs (for those who missed the better stories). Kim and Ron do indeed watch out for diabolical masterminds. Bowler hats - not so much. The only difference between Dr. Armstrong from The Avengers and Dr Drakken is that Drakken survives. Mind you, The Avengers was just a re-boot of Police Surgeon, and Doctor Who was really just a re-boot of Quatermas, so neither of those was really all that original either. movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-attack-of-the-80s-cartoons.htmlOn the other hand, Kim Possible IS fresher and IS more original than, say, The Smurfs, The A-Team, Transformers, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, Voltron,... In short, just about everything large sums of money are being spent on by Hollywood. And, if I'm not mistaken, just about everything large sums of money are being spent on by audiences. Sooooooo. You might want to reconsider this "originality" thing. So... established franchises get sub-par cinema outings, therefore Kim Possible deserves a fifth season. K.
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Post by imipak on Jun 10, 2010 2:05:08 GMT -5
So... established franchises get sub-par cinema outings, therefore Kim Possible deserves a fifth season. K. Well, I wouldn't exactly call The Saint an established franchise in the US, and I honestly couldn't tell you when the last time The Avengers was repeated. Not even sure seasoned Avengers fans (bar us maniacs who subscribe to the fanzine) could even tell you who 1-10 was. But, let's say they were. Does that mean Kim Possible deserves a fifth season? Well, if they've the money to blow on sub-par movies, and that money is either going to get spent on an even more sub-par Kick Buttowski OR Kim Possible S5, then damnit YES! Given the choice of Dexters-Lab-On-Skateboard or Secret-Agents-With-Cheese-Fetish, then YES! I would DEARLY love Disney to spend it's money on the better franchise. Sure, one could argue that a better series could be paid for instead. Fine. You write to Disney and tell them to fire producers until they come up with something good, and I'll write to Disney and tell them they already have something good. Personally, I doubt Disney will give a darn either way, but if it came to the crunch, I simply don't think Disney has the capacity to come up with anything else that's any good. (Even Phineas and Ferb, a brilliantly successful cartoon, simply isn't original and has spent most of the third season lampooning itself. Cartoon Network's Johnny Test and Total Drama Action have been lampooning P&F as well, come to think of it.) The reality is that Disney is going to spend X amount of dollars on animations (where X is far too small for the animations to be brilliant) and they have succeeded in producing a grand total of two series that have actually had any redeeming features whatsoever in the past decade. Not a good score. If the animations are going to get made, if the money is going to get spent, why waste it on dross? No matter what you think of a KP5, even if it's produced using reject Pinky and the Brain scripts, it HAS to be better than the alternative we're faced with.
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