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Post by surforst on Nov 18, 2005 2:38:33 GMT -5
Had to vote no myself. Now I in no way support some of the mature pictures out there *a 30+ older man and an underage girl is consider illegal in most places* but as long as they have warnings its fine in my book. Just post a link instead of direct picture and post warnings for god sake. I clicked on one pic link and got an image of Mrs. Dr. P rear...and other bits. Not what I had expected considering the thread.
Reason though I don't support the banning of this stuff is because where does it stop. Some of the threads go onto crazy but funny topics. "Is Shego a virgin" or "Will Kim breast feed". Interesting topics not meant for kiddies. Place a warning and that should be all. This also extends to fanfics. I myself have written PG-13 stuff *Good old Ron/Bon* which I don't consider lewd. Haven't gotten a complaint yet but what if one crazy member decides its obscene. Then I can't post or reference the story at all? What about the fact that I link to the story through my profile. Heck what about the fact that people die in my story while we are at it. Should we censor violence too?
See the problem. All we need is a little restraint on certain people's part and we'll be fine. If they want to post images the exceed the lack rules as they already are then admins can take care of them. Just keep to the bit of no nudity on the threads and no cussing. Then we just hope that people censors themselves or at least give us a warning.
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Post by Kayleigh on Nov 18, 2005 7:42:42 GMT -5
I think that we should lighten up. It's getting kinda out of hand. I've started just ignoring the fanart board. I can't really tell what's ok to see and what's just plain... disturbing! I know that people post really good pics in here! But I can't really tell what's good and bad. Come on, I'm 12 years old! I don't want to be looking at that stuff! ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Nov 18, 2005 18:30:01 GMT -5
I've seen comment about "What would the creators think?" I know that Steve Loter has been here, and so have other people that have been a part of creating Kim Possible. And for the record, there is no real rule that's going to be happening because of this thread. Anyone who has read the rules will know that there already is a rule. "Mature Content.
"Adult" content (pictures and stories) and role-play (material not suitable for viewers under 18 years of age, which is typically the Kim Possible fandom) is not allowed on the public boards. If you really wish to discuss these things, do them in your own time and privately. There are numerous places such as email, instant messaging, and even PMing in which you can discuss mature content.
Members who feel their content is suitable for the board but may not be appropriate for children under 13 years of age are required to include a clear warning in the subject of the thread. This is a common rule, although sometimes this attracts more children into actually viewing the thread. The thread will be able to exist, but if complaints start happening and it starts to get out of hand, it will be locked and until someone convinces of why there's nothing wrong with it, it will simply stay that way and then be deleted.
But seriously, this is a Kim Possible Messageboard. We want it safe for all ages."Basically this says, if you have to post something that is considered PG-13, warn. If the thread does not have a "PG-13" in the title, then nothing inside will be mature.So if you have to post, put a warning, but really I would rather you not. It goes the same for this: "And please keep your language relatively clean. There are words which can replace those which are vulgar and offensive. And anyway, you shouldn't be offensive."
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Nov 18, 2005 18:32:47 GMT -5
And there is quite a difference between "PG-13" and "NC-17".
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Post by dragonfang33 on Nov 18, 2005 22:35:23 GMT -5
I believe we need to lighten up on Mature Fan Art, some of the stuff is not just disturbing, but sickening
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Post by Levelord on Nov 19, 2005 23:29:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm a good artist, but I'm still here... Or at least I do come back from time to time... About the Drakken/Kim shipping, I find it weird, but it doesn't offend me too much... maybe except for the naked pics and all. Now listen, the reason why most ppl here finds Drakken/Kim pics so disturbing is because it implies pedophilia ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) . Kim is a teenager and Drakken is a man in his late 30's ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) . I am having slight problems trying to understand what can be so appealing with that sort of picture. No offense to Drakkenfan though, but is there anything else you could draw apart from D/K? I like your art, but I think it's been misplaced into an area where not a lot of people are open about. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) As for this forum, I think we have to put a limit somewhere. Otherwise things will just start snowballing out of control until we get something like Kim/tentacle sex or something like that. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by Blink on Nov 19, 2005 23:38:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm a good artist, but I'm still here... Or at least I do come back from time to time... You're one of the top artists dude, your art is BADICAL. Anyways, I was thinking... for the artists who do post their artwork that is questionable, I think it'd be best if they uploaded it first to DA and put a "parental advisory" stamp on it. Therefore anybody who wants to view it would need to be logged on. And hopefully DA filters out the little kids(who have DA accounts) who would gaze at these artworks (obviously there's ways around this, but maybe the kids are too stupid to find out how ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ).
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Post by Ezbok58a on Nov 20, 2005 1:20:59 GMT -5
Being a student in a art school (yet I can't draw a person if my life depended on it) I can see some of the things being posted here on the edge.
I already posted on how it should be plastered with thousands of warnings but in hidsight, If one doesn't do it, then why would 50 warnings stop us from viewing?
Now the nude stuff probably isn't appropriate for this site, and a good deal of the drakken/Kim slash stuff is also part of this (mainly everything levelord said above about Drakim I agree with)
Although drakkenfan does a exellent job of warning us about explicit images, so she's on the right track.
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Post by Levelord on Nov 20, 2005 4:35:59 GMT -5
Although drakkenfan does a exellent job of warning us about explicit images, so she's on the right track. I have to agree with you on this one, she does do a good job on warning people. I'm more worried on hooligans asking her to draw more weird stuff. Luckily, she isn't into that sort of thing.
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Post by Rina Cat on Nov 20, 2005 8:38:22 GMT -5
We, artists/writers can do whatever shippings we want and however we want. But the ones that follow and play by the rules would know what to post and what's not appropriate to post. And Levelord, don't underestimate yourself. You are a very talented artist. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Nov 20, 2005 14:34:29 GMT -5
Whoosh goes Serge's post over everyone's head.
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Post by cloudmonet on Nov 20, 2005 15:11:38 GMT -5
PG-13 movies sometimes show apparently nude people in bed together. You just don't usually see any body parts normally covered by bathing suits, and don't usually see mating movements or hear moaning while actually seeing the people.
Disney's own "King Arthur," the theatrical version, was rated PG-13, and featured a seriously hot prebattle, premarital love scene between Arthur and Guinevere. (The DVD, despite being unrated, doesn't show hotter love, just bloodier battles.)
The R-rated "Troy" with Brad Pitt opens with the aftermath of an Achilles sandwich, and shows a lot of interesting feminine features.
I don't think either Drakkenfan or Clayton has ventured into NC-17. Drakkenfan's drawings would likely involve some arguments with the ratings board, but nothing beyond R, and mostly PG-13.
It's not exactly ratings-challenging sexuality that's disturbing, as the notion of either Drakken's or Shego's sexual charisma completely overcoming Kim's common sense. The alluring but evil character who ensnares a young innocent has more than ample literary precedent, but doesn't work well with Kim. She knows better. It was a different story with Shego, who was forced into heroism by her older brothers, and bonded with the bad boys in rebellion.
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Post by Nightspade on Nov 24, 2005 20:20:19 GMT -5
The R-rated "Troy" with Brad Pitt opens with the aftermath of an Achilles sandwich, and shows a lot of interesting feminine features. I She knows better. It was a different story with Shego, who was forced into heroism by her older brothers, and bonded with the bad boys in rebellion. Whoa. A movie got rated R just because Brad Pitt was in it? The ratings guys are actually using their morals and consciences.
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Post by Mariah on Nov 24, 2005 22:57:53 GMT -5
I agree with that Mature pics should be warned but u know what my bro used to come on here ann dow he dosn't for that reason so plz don't put so many Mature pic.
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Nov 24, 2005 23:25:37 GMT -5
Personally.. being a perverted teenager and all.. I enjoy the funny mature junk. But, I do think it's best you put a link to it and put a mature warning. I mean.. i don't wanna be going onto the thing thinking it's something else and BAM.. it's omething mature..... expecially if my parents happen to be in the same room O.O;;;
So.. I say, continue it, but put warnings and stuff ^^;;
Thanks muchly
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Nov 24, 2005 23:29:20 GMT -5
And there is quite a difference between "PG-13" and "NC-17". lmao, yea.. thankyou!!! I'll see a thread that says "PG-13", and i'm like "w/e"... and then I look in it and BAM NC-17 pic (or very close to) and comments saying "sexserxsexsexsex <3<3<3" ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) C'mon people.. don't do that. You know what is right and wrong *cold stare*
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Post by apoptosis on Nov 24, 2005 23:36:25 GMT -5
My two little cents: I'm not for censorship; I think it could become too slippery a slope to be able to navigate safely. I am; however, all for warnings on pictures/posts/links to sites or fanfiction that contain mature content (be that be sexual or excessive violence). Or, even a section that is reserved for mature discussions that is only accessible for registered members. That may work. Yes, many younger fans may come to this site and this forum, and yes, we do not want to expose them to items of a maturity level they may not be able to handle, but there probably *are* people on this board who can handle more mature content, and I believe they should be able to express their art or fanfiction (et cetera) to those members who want to/are able to discuss/view such things. Eversince Clayton and Drakkenfan with thier groups came here the fanart section has become....... EeehI would like to point out that it has only been Clayton who has been inappropriate. I do not believe I (nor Allaine, Hobnobrev, Rina Cat, et al) have been disrespectful to the board. If I have come across as such, I'm sorry. It was not intentional. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Thanks for listening. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Peace, apop
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Post by Nightspade on Nov 24, 2005 23:43:47 GMT -5
Believe what you will, I still say that moderate censorship is the best possible course of action. What's to stop a younger person who shouldn't be looking at those things from creating an account with a false age? I'd rather take the course that COMPLETELY eliminates the risk.
Problem with my belief is, however, people tend to go overboard with moderate censorship and start acting like Republicans by censoring out almost everything.
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Post by apoptosis on Nov 24, 2005 23:47:52 GMT -5
Also, I have yet to see an extremely graphic NC17 picture here. I've seen suggestive ones, but not explicit ones. What are we calling "mature content" here?
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Post by Nightspade on Nov 24, 2005 23:49:29 GMT -5
I think anything 'R' and above.
Ultra-Republican Censorship: Anything PG and above!
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