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Post by xanderm on Nov 17, 2005 17:40:57 GMT -5
I've noticed for the past few weeks that many mature pics have been appearing, some without the warnings. This poll is to show your view weither to continue thes pics, I mean come on, kids come on this site!
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Post by Laur Stoppable on Nov 17, 2005 17:45:37 GMT -5
I just think people need to put warning on stuff. Some people have been doing this overs haven't.
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Post by Blink on Nov 17, 2005 17:54:20 GMT -5
When I joined this site... I felt the same way you do xanderm. But thats when Kim Possible was very active on TV and there were many fans watching her, kids especially. Now that the series seems to be over(for now), kids find other shows to gain their interests in. My little sis used to hang around at this board, but now she doesn't. There were lots of other fun members that hung around this board... and now don't. Only the die-hard fans and newcomers hang around this board now. So I'd say that there are less kids that visit this messageboard now, thats my opinoin. I don't care if there's mature pics floating around this site... as long as they're not in plain view, and they warn the viewer what they're about to see. Stuff like that doesn't bother me. Fans are trying to keep Kim Possible alive, and some just choose to paint lewd pictures of the characters. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) BUT... I blame Clayton for posting the majority of the por nographic pictures of the characters, lets all stone him! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Carbon on Nov 17, 2005 18:03:15 GMT -5
There is too much mature stuff on her period. It's the reason I don't come here much anymore.
You don't think the reason for some of that is because of the direction this place is going (has gone)?
And besides it's only a small number of the poeple who watch KP that even know the show has finished production. there are still unaired episodes, and the series finale was advertised as the "first Kim Possible movie"
and it's not one specific person either, there are a number of irresponsible, if not just creepy, people who are ruining the place.
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Post by xanderm on Nov 17, 2005 18:06:26 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm taking about, Kim is kind of losing her fan-base because there are creepy people who draw............those things. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by captainkodak1 on Nov 17, 2005 18:11:44 GMT -5
I do believe that we can lighten up on the mature stuff. Some of the pictures have gotten a little out of hand. Others have been WAY out of hand. Sometimes warnings are not enough.
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Post by USAPatriot on Nov 17, 2005 18:11:50 GMT -5
If The creators saw what some people do to their characters in fandom stuff, they would be ashamed. I know I am. There is TOO MUCH mature and nasty things drawn here. Your demeaning the KP fans with the terrible stuff drawn. You all have great talents, so why not use them for uplifting images, and not terrible things. You are giving KP fans a bad name with all this terrible stuff.
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Post by Blink on Nov 17, 2005 18:38:07 GMT -5
You don't think the reason for some of that is because of the direction this place is going (has gone)? This place hasn't gone downhill... its pretty much the same as it has been. True, this place was packed when there were things going on, like when So The Drama was airing, but other than that, this board is fairly mellow most of the time. And there are many respectible members online here throughout the day. But weirdos like Clayton show up on millions of boards on the internet. People gotta live with it, or just ban the dude. Lets name names! I'll go first... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by drakkenfan on Nov 17, 2005 18:49:29 GMT -5
I know I post pg-13 pics sometimes (ok, alot of times), but I'll always put a warning first, and censor out anything that may be beyond pg-13. I hope you don't think I'm ruining the board ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by jmt2005791 on Nov 17, 2005 19:00:25 GMT -5
It's sicking to enter the fan art area and see so many PG-13 pics. What would the creators think if they saw what went on in the art board.
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Post by A-BooYa on Nov 17, 2005 19:09:11 GMT -5
drakkenfan no offense but your signature is very disturbing. It's a good thing I blocked it to avoid looking at it everytime I'm reading a topic.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Nov 17, 2005 19:24:21 GMT -5
I think that certain precautions need to be made.
Some thinks such as what drakkenfan does as far as warnings are good (everyone of your pictures you put out some kind of warning)
However sometimes it isn't enough.
If a artwork has mature content, post a link to it and just surround the actual link itself with hundreds of Warnings.
If one is good 80 is better! That way we know its graphic, and you save yourself from people saying its sick and wrong and such.
Clayton likes shaking the tree, alot.
Agent Sands seems to be well hated here too for his attitude, but lets remember that this was a series originally intended for the younger audience, lets try to keep it close to that.
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Post by Rina Cat on Nov 17, 2005 19:40:16 GMT -5
I try to avoid drawing anything mature. And I'm trying my best to draw my favourite pair in any situation without causing people feeling uncomfortable. -_-
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Post by taechunsa on Nov 17, 2005 19:56:08 GMT -5
I am not for censorship.
However, I do not want to see a lot of the stuff drawn. So I do feel that there must absolutely be a rating and preferably even a G rated synopsis of what is drawn. Some sub PG-13 stuff I still don't care to see.
As for mature takes on KP. Well, I seriously doubt that any creator would be at all surprised at what has been extrapolated about the show. They are adults writing about teenagers becoming adults. Given the statistics on what the average teenager does it isn’t much of a wonder that some fans move in that direction.
Any semi realistic extrapolation of what could happen in the future with the characters will most likely involve some mature content or at least implications of such. I am currently working on a fanfiction in which Ron and Kim are married. While I will not be explicit at all about it, there will be some implications that they are sexually active, as all married couples should be. This is more mature then the show, by a long shot, but I still feel that it is within acceptable bounds for the fandom and does nothing to degrade the characters or the show.
I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but censorship is rarely ever the correct one. With proper labeling and tagging of the art those who want to see it can and those who don’t want to see it can simply skip it.
The problem with censorship is defining exactly what should be banned and stopping it once it starts.
There are many on this board who would whole heartedly endorse the banning of any Drakken/Kim from the board because they find it offensive. This even goes for things no worse then what was shown on the show. I hate Drakken/Kim and haven’t looked at anything drawn by Drakkenfan since Grounded, but I support her right to post her favorite couple here as long as it is well labeled.
Suppose that we ban this, then where does it end? Do we start banning any depiction or discussion of homosexuality? Do we start banning any depiction or discussion of any Shego/Ron? Do we ban any discussion or depiction of kissing between any characters despite the fact that we have seen kissing on the show? What exactly constitutes mature? Who decides that?
I know that none of this is your intent, but it is so easy to justify the first step in repression; it is not so easy to stop the boulder once it is started down the hill. Many times people and freedoms just get crushed under it.
We already do not allow content on this board that is above PG-13. We already require labels for any content above PG. I think that is enough. We don’t need some quota of G to PG to PG-13. We just need to let the moderators or poster know that we feel a label might be needed for something and then not look at what we don’t want to see.
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Post by Ishida Mitsunari on Nov 17, 2005 20:24:25 GMT -5
I for one wish that people would lighten up on the mature stuff. Eversince Clayton and Drakkenfan with thier groups came here the fanart section has become....... Eeeh
I for one wish that people would stick to a G rating in thier art. There just isn't any quality art anymore.... I wish Carbon and the rest of the good artists would come back!
I think a little censorship would do this place good, if you ask me.
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Post by Nightspade on Nov 17, 2005 20:35:03 GMT -5
Censorship- Bad.
Moderate Censorship- Good. It keeps the board clean. But I think that the mature stuff definatley needs to be toned 3,000 pegs down. I mean, it's a family friendly board, after all! Let's keep it that way. We don't want anyone to get really upset and insane, do we? Does anyone remember what happened last time?
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Post by Ishida Mitsunari on Nov 17, 2005 21:40:11 GMT -5
What Sideways just stated about moderate censorship is what I mean when I say a little censorship. We need to take down the nasty stuff from our boards!
EDIT: Sideways what happened "last time" as you put it?
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Post by bigpenguin on Nov 18, 2005 0:31:28 GMT -5
Put on whatever doesn't break the rules. If pictures seem rude but follow the rules, so be it.
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Post by taechunsa on Nov 18, 2005 1:21:03 GMT -5
We need to take down the nasty stuff from our boards! My major concern with this is what constitutes "nasty" and who decides? I am going to list several pieces that I think are of good quality which I fear would be banned in this push, but be warned that they also could be construed as PG-13 so view them at your own risk. Most of these are found on deviantart.com. Would this eliminate works like TheBlizzardBuffalo’s “Decadence” (lordmonkeyfist's "Kimmy is Naughty") from the board? It is not sexual but is mature in it's depiction of a mentally unstable Kim, and is amazing in its use of colors and facial expression. What about much of Ivymae's fanart? A lot of it would be what I would consider PG-13. Pieces like “FaZhou's Halloween contest sub” one of the cooler Halloween pics that I have seen, or “Beep Beep” one of the funniest pics that I have seen in a long time, or "Paragon Montage" an exquisite piece in keeping with the fanfic, or “10:45 Solo Mission” a gorgeous and sweet piece on love and parenthood, or “PoPcicles... Contest entry” another one that is just a bloody riot, or “Smug” an incredibly cute pic that has some mature connotations, or numerous others? What about Lionheart’s “Hey There Bad Boy”? Which is a bit risqué, but is an excellent compliment to CaptainKodiak’s story and a brilliant piece of art in and of itself. What about Minnesotamutt’s “Loyalty”? One of the best mission “effect” on Ron pictures that I have ever seen. It breaks right through that G rated no reality to the violence ceiling, and is beautiful for it. What about pieces like mx55’s “Team Possible… Chilling”? Would this be allowed despite the latent connotations given by having Kim sitting on her bed with Ron’s head resting between Kim’s knees (no it isn’t what it sounds like)? What about Rinacat’s “KP: Serene” or Sonicelectronic’s “Undawears”? These are both artist that usually do really cute SD drawings, but these two would be pushing the ratings. Would these be banned? They are definitely mature, but are beautiful pieces of art. That are not offensive to the fandom, nor do they detract from it, but instead add to it. I think that our board would be better off trying to attract some of these artist, not run them off. The problem as I see it is not that the art has really been getting much worse it is that the couples have become less acceptable to the majority. The art has become more shocking because of who is in it more then what they are doing. Honestly, would “Grounded” have stirred such controversy if it had been Ron and Kim or Drakken and Shego with Mrs. Lipsky walking in? I don’t really think so.
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Post by Blink on Nov 18, 2005 1:32:56 GMT -5
They are definitely mature, but are beautiful pieces of art. That are not offensive to the fandom, nor do they detract from it, but instead add to it. I think that our board would be better off trying to attract some of these artist, not run them off. Fans are trying to keep Kim Possible alive, and some just choose to paint lewd pictures of the characters. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Thats what I meant. I didn't mean "lewd" in a negative way. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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