Is it okay to take others' art works for yours?

[JuPMod]

Just minutes ago, I done a search for 'Kim Possible Yori' art at DA, and I came across a Ron/Yori collage done by a young lady named KiaXakoi. I was quite stun to see My 'AU Ron Prom Ron and Yori Kiss' art used in this other person's collage. Furthermore, it was manipulated to cover Yori's dress and bracelet.

Now to be honet, I'm upset. I already mentioned in a comment that I would have been okay if I was asked permission first, yet I also wonder if screen-cap manipulation art does not need permission. This also made me think to whether it's okay to take anyone's art for your own works - whether it's a collage or video. I've seen plenty of ADVs over at YouTube where people just take artworks combined with music to create slideshow vids.

My R/Y manipulation took me some time to do, given I have to cut-and-paste, erase, etc. Yori over Kim to get the manip right. It's not like someone just taking a screen-cap and draw new clothing over a character and changing the coloring, etc, like Captainkodak01's recent art and my 'Star Trek: Next Generation' Kim art. Is it really okay to take others' screen-cap manipulation works without permission, even if the works are not original drawn art?

I like to hear from others here what you think. This teenager taking my R/Y work left me feeling that I should not bother anymore creating manips, collages, etc. I'm upset and I just do not feel the Net is a great place anymore to share artwork.

[Commander Argus]

Talk about a gray area. I decided not to post any of my 'line for line redraw' artwork simply because it's not really mine, it's just making a crisper, clearer image of somebody else's work (it makes life easy making my sigs and avvies)

Really, manips are hard to say, simply because it's somebody else's work altered.

[DP]

No! It's not right. That's stealing. She should have at least asked you if she could use it in her collage.

[drakkenfan]

To be polite she should have asked you first. It's definitely wrong to take someone else's screencap manip and claim it as their own, even though a screencap manip technically isn't original art.
A screencap manipulation can't really be considered your original art since the drawings within it were made by someone else. In fact, that's why screencap manips and collages are considered a violation of copyright policy on DeviantArt and get deleted. She shouldn't even be posting your manip on DA, because she could get banned.

[TheToothWitch]

It's illegal. Need I say more? :/

[Luke Danger]

Unless you have PREMISSION from the user who made the art peice in question, ILLIGAL

[chocoholic1]

It's not okay at all! The original artist works really hard and to just take someone else's art and say it's theirs is stealing, and make their own changes to it without permission is even worse.

I've already had two of my friends' art stolen, one of which was posted here as a fanart, and it's horrible to see.

[dracko19]

Illegal? Um....Misrepresented maybe, but illegal? No.

Truth be told, none of us have "copyright" ownership on our artwork we create and put on the net for viewing. Oh sure, we own it, but we didn't register it. So, if someone takes it and claims it for their own...its not cool, but they aren't going to jail for it.

Screencap manip is basically taking a copyrighted item and playing with said item. Since you are creating a substantially new piece of art, you shoudl be fine. If you simply put your sig in the bottom corner of a copyrighted piece and do nothing else, you're probably looking at some issues.

To your question...its not cool to do this, but what can you do? I suppose you can harrass this person. I would simply send a message and ask her to take it down or give you credit and see what she says

[tucsoncoyote]

dracko19 said:

Illegal? Um....Misrepresented maybe, but illegal? No.

Truth be told, none of us have "copyright" ownership on our artwork we create and put on the net for viewing. Oh sure, we own it, but we didn't register it. So, if someone takes it and claims it for their own...its not cool, but they aren't going to jail for it.

Screencap manip is basically taking a copyrighted item and playing with said item. Since you are creating a substantially new piece of art, you shoudl be fine. If you simply put your sig in the bottom corner of a copyrighted piece and do nothing else, you're probably looking at some issues.

To your question...its not cool to do this, but what can you do? I suppose you can harrass this person. I would simply send a message and ask her to take it down or give you credit and see what she says

I tend to agree with this, and in fact if they ask, then it really goes from "No it's wrong" to "That depends". For example as you can see in the Thread that I created for the Sims 2 Swimteam Swimsuit, CaptainKodak 1 asks me if it okay to do a 2D version of it.. My response? Go for it.. After all if someone can take an idea and make it 2D and look good, then I say that it's worth it.. (Also if you look at CaptainKodak1's Thread about his art, and you check out the Swimsuit picture at his DA site, and read what he said, well he did give me credit.. So am I upset? no I'm flattered that he did it.. So in a way Captain did ask me, I said Yes, and he did his work and gave me proper credit..

So in my case it was okay.. but in JupMod's Case, if she didn't ask and didn't give credit, then no it's not right, and then even if she did ask and Jupmod said no, and she still did it, that's also a big no no.. But if Even if she gives Jupmod credit.. well it's then a "That Depends" bit... but if she had done like CaptainKodak 1 did with me? then it's okay..

So there's my answer... but Jup? I would say please ask her politely to remove it, before going ballistic on her.. after all there might have been a bit of a misunderstanding.

Tucsoncoyote--

[slicknickshady]

cmdrargus said:

manips are hard to say, simply because it's somebody else's work altered.

I agree. I don't think you can complain about people posting manips.

Some people think it's wrong to make manips in the first place. It's making an image out of context.

I don't think she should have posted it. I just don't think you can get that upset over it.

That's my view on it. Hopefully she at least gives you credit.

[Loser7]

Unless someone asks- it's not cool.

[Jersey7]

if its not yours than don't bother. unless you give them credit but i still don't think its right

[kpfan5678]

It is not acceptable. It has happened on this forum before and I hope it never happens again.

[TheToothWitch]

Okay, so I don't know if its illegal where you live. But here, it is. If you take a picture, draw or paint something, you don't have to register - it's just yours, and if someone use without asking or buying it, you can actually tell the police. And it's way expensive to use someone elses art!

[slicknickshady]

missshego said:

Okay, so I don't know if its illegal where you live. But here, it is. If you take a picture, draw or paint something, you don't have to register - it's just yours, and if someone use without asking or buying it, you can actually tell the police. And it's way expensive to use someone elses art!

The thing is a Manip is exactly the same thing though. It's really a tough situation.

[rd]

Hmmm, me thinks we doth protest too much.

What do the artists DO when they create ANY art containing fully owned, legally copyrighted material owned lock, stock, and barrel by Disney? They are stepping into that dreaded legal "gray area" where many fear to tread.

We are all dealing with material owned by someone else, and I think we all need to chill a little bit on this topic. If I was an artist, and somebody considered MY work worth copying, I'd be danged proud that someone would consider copying my pleasure (and that's what it would be to ME, pleasure, not work)

Even if you draw the EYEBALL of KP, it's owned by the company, don't forget...

[teztor123]

There's a vast difference between "Fan Art" which is all based on someone else's copy rights - and entirely original works.

With an original work - you're talking money. The artist can sell their work and their income may depend on this.

With Fan Art - it's not yours anyway. You can't be deprived of income for it - since it is illegal for you to sell it. That doesn't mean that people don't sell Fan Art - but if the copy right holders decide to do something about it - then they are in trouble.

Now - if a person does something such as enter a Fan Art contest with something they compiled from others work - where a prize is offered - claiming that the work was all done by themselves, no - that is wrong.

Then ... there's the casual manipulator who is gathering pictures from the internet and messing around with them. A lot of these pictures are in galleries of collected Fan Art that don't list who drew what. People just thought something was neat and posted it. For the casual artist ... they aren't going to go to the trouble to look up who did the Fan Art and make a formal request. If they had to go to that much trouble ... they'd not do it at all. What kind of standards you want to hold these people to ... are up to you. But it's not something I'd take all that seriously.

The key ingredient here - is money. If you can make money - or gain a prize - through the use of the Fan Art .... then you are held to much more stricter rules.

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

I recently posted a big rant on this subject in my DeviantArt journal. I'll post it here.

Note: this is NOT a shot against people who autograph their work in an undistracting manner. Putting your name somewhere in there, or having a little symbol like my TP thing, is perfectly fine.

I've been part of the DeviantArt community for almost two years now, and in that time i've met a lot of - i'm not gonna sugarcoat it - jerks. You're probably thinking "ooohh somebody said mean things about his art." Nope, that's not what this is about. This rant goes out to all you people who absolutely DEMAND that they get asked for their work to be used by every single person who uses it, in every single instance, for any possible reason, ever.

Get over yourselves.

I wasn't going to say anything, but then I was browsing a DA page owned by s/he who will remain nameless, and I found a link to this page in a fairly decent sized banner centered across the top of his/her journal. "UNAUTHORIZED USE OF ANY OF THIS ART IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED." One part in particular REALLY irritated me: "'AUTHOR UNKNOWN' MEANS 'I STOLE IT'" *facepalm* That's just... WOW, I didn't know such pompous ignorance could exist.

I ask you people who are so desperate to maintain some sort of autocratic dictatorship over your art: what are you really accomplishing here? If people want to use your art to make some silly little header on their Star Wars Angelfire fanpage, they're going to do it. All you do by posting massive warnings all over your journal and slapping enormous and distracting watermarks all over your art is make people dislike you, hate you, think you're a jerk, and/or not bother even looking at your art anymore.

Also, what are you so afraid of? An 11 year old resizing your art in paint, blacking out your signature like it's a nipple slip on the news, and posting it on some angelfire site they'll forget about in two weeks and will thus be deleted due to inactivity soon after? Ooooohhh, terrifying thought, that you weren't asked permission for that. What are you going to do, email the 11 year old and demand that he takes your work down? How is that going to make people want to appreciate you?

Deviantart automatically gives you a copyright over your work, so should the miniscule chance that someone actually tries to use your work to make money come to fruition, you'll be able to take legal action. And even THEN, think about it. Will Microsoft come to DeviantArt and try to steal your work to slather on their Vista boxes as their new mascot? No. Maybe the 11 year old has a paypal, puts it on his angelfire, and some doof donates him 15 cents because your art brainwashed him. WOW, how can you sleep at night? You're out 15 cents. If you had that money you could make the down payment on that yacht.

DeviantArt is meant to be a fun community for people to come and share their work, original and fanart alike. Fanart is especially meant to be about the fun, community thing. In slapping on watermarks and posting huge banner warnings on your journal, you're killing everything DeviantArt is meant to be, as well as making yourself out to be a pompous little *will say nothing because he's not sure what the DA word filter rules are like*. Besides, fanart is using copyrighted characters without permission, which they CAN get on you for if they deem your work is obscene or against what they stand for or whatever.

As for original work, as I said, DeviantArt automatically issues you a copyright which you can utilize at will if someone tries to make money using your work. So i'm telling you all now: Somewhere along the line someone got into your head and really screwed you up. Stop being paranoid and get back to what art and fanart is meant to be: a fun, carefree sharing of creativity. All you do with the watermarks and banner warnings is stave off a nonexistant threat, shoo away people who would otherwise like your work, and officially declare to the world that you're a jackoff.

Since we're all KP fans, most of you probably know off who's journal I found that link.

[mike]

No Copyright.... It's illegal...