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Post by idontfinishthings on Feb 17, 2008 0:40:07 GMT -5
Hey hey, I hate to jump into the fray, but I gotta say I side with L7 on this one.
I'll ignore the fact that KP is underage and the constant portrayal of her and the other characters wearing such sexual attire does indeed undermine the wholesomeness of Kim Possible.
Sure it's all right for a woman to be sexy and shown as sexy, and hell I think women are sexy in general, but perpetual depiction of women (or men) as such, detracts from the reality that they're more than just "sexy", and what these images are doing is painting a clearly uni-dimensional portrait of women; a portrait that belies any depth whatsoever and in doing so disrespects women as a gender and as multi-faceted human beings.
PS,
You don't have to be sleazy to be sexy.
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Post by CDB on Feb 17, 2008 0:53:05 GMT -5
I'm male, a fan of Levelord's, and I enjoy looking, requesting and commenting on pinup famarts.
Yet I showcase chivalry and uphold the greatest respect towards women... fictional or not.
So from reading the comments here, if I'm and Levelord to be declared chinavous pigs and the contributors for the degradition of women, just for enjoying pinups.
Then, I'm sorry but I strongly...strongly disagree. Was Levelord's work for All Auidences...The majority of them. yes.
The small portion of the one's the majority here seem to focus only, no. Yet were they NC-17...backdoor smut, No!!!
Levelord had good taste, incredbile talent, and a postitive attitiude towards his peers.
That what he should be remembered for, not for the idiotic notion that he was on one-man mission for degrading women.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 17, 2008 0:54:20 GMT -5
Personally, I won't choose sides. I can see points in both arguments, and I think both Tsaalyo and L7 represent their sides very strongly.
As for Levelord getting banned, I will say that I find it kind of messed up to see him banned when there are artists who have and who are currently posting pictures 10 times worse than anything he ever drew, yet they remain active and their gallerys seldom get hit, if at all.
And the copyright thing, I think it's BS. If you're gonna go after pics over copyright you might as well shut down the entire site. At least half, or over half the site consits of fan art or fan liturature. And the mods at DA are now gonna imply that suddenly that's become wrong? I mean honestly, what sense does it make?
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Feb 17, 2008 2:31:26 GMT -5
I am SO disgusted with some of the comments I'm reading. Ughhhh *shudders* L7 took the words right out of my mouth! Everything she said I agree with 100% And most men's depictions of what "sexy" is is SO warped... mostly by, yes, the media. And I'm sure most women's depictions of "sexy" for men has also been warped! I, for one, am not into the "ripped, hairless, young, strong jawed, skinny, perfect teeth" men that the media depicts as the norm. PSHH. THAT IS SO NOT THE NORM. And I'm proud to say I'm not attracted to that! PS, You don't have to be sleazy to be sexy. I agree with this 100%!! There are so many girls my age who feel like they need to dress in extremely short skirts, and very low cut tops with their boobs sticking out, and theirbutt sticking out, and revealing EVERYTHING in order to get a man to pay attention to us. Everyone has their insecurities, but the way the media is treating women (and men), and the way men are degrading these girls makes these insecurities grow 10 times more! That's why there are so many s.lutty, insecure girls! ..And I feel bad for them, and partly relate with them as well :[
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Post by lordvictorino on Feb 17, 2008 2:48:30 GMT -5
Hi All,
My problem with DeviantArt is not that they don't have the right to delete anyones stuff that they find to be objectional, but it's that they are not consistant with what they delete. They delete Levelords stuff while other pictures by other artists that go even father more sexual in nature then Levelord's stuff stays up. Go Figure.
Please and Thank You,
Tony M. Victorino
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 17, 2008 3:10:41 GMT -5
There are a lot of artists that deserve to be banned there. A LOT! Hopefully some others get the boot soon. They delete Levelords stuff while other pictures by other artists that go even father more sexual in nature then Levelord's stuff stays up. Go Figure. Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino That's sort of what im saying above. Theres a lot of artists who do art there thats way more disgusting than levelords.
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Post by KillerBebe Obeys Zita on Feb 17, 2008 4:07:57 GMT -5
I feel sorry that they did this to him, I have no problem with him or his artwork, I go by the rule of if you don’t like it don’t look at it. His blog said that it was one person who had a problem with his art and reported him multiple times. IMO if someone is that obsessed with him and his KP art they should be the one who seeks help and leave the artist alone, and the snake should stop hounding people who do not fall into there version of what KP should be depicted as.
The modal sheets are there as a tool to help a beginner learn to draw KP. He told me about these sheets awhile back when I asked his advice on how to draw and what he did when he first started drawing.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 17, 2008 6:46:13 GMT -5
Well I work in a nightclub and once a week we have an event called a "Teen Scene" which is for people under the age of 18 to gather and experience a nightclub like atmosphere. The first few shows I worked I was horrified to see how most of the younger girls dressed and by younger I mean 10, 11 and 12 year olds. Some of them look like and dance like strippers. Now where do they get the idea that their appearance and behave is exceptable, even expected, by the media which, as was so powerfully and appropriately pointed out by L7. If you ask me the next generation is going to be messed up but because they believe that putting themselves on a podium in next to nothing, basically putting themselves on display, is the norm. Whatever ever happened to the whole "Dont judge a book by its cover", people are deep and interesting, each with their own stories to tell and to turn such interesting creatures into nothing more than objects of arousal is degrading to them, disrespectful and wrong. Its animalistic, giving into your natural urgues. Sometimes whats natural and whats proper and acceptable are completely different. Human beings have one purpose, like all spieces, and that is to reproduce, its instinct and natural but that doesnt mean we should follow our instincts and do the natural thing, copulate with whoever, where ever and whenever. That makes us no better than the other animals on this planet. To objectify a person is sadly working its way deeper into our society and leading us back to being nothing more than barbaric creatures who are slaves to their own urgues. Its sad that we live in a society where this fact is actually argued.
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Post by Commander Argus on Feb 17, 2008 8:08:37 GMT -5
I still can't get past the appearance that DA is 'picking on' certain artists. I've got a couple pics there that might be considerd 'borderline' and one of them is my second most favorited piece, yet I've never heard a peep from them about it, and there's a lot of really objectionable stuff floating there for YEARS (just search Kim Possible with the mature content filter off and see what I mean.)
I've heard it explained that DA is so vast, they can only respond to complaints. Well, there again, it becomes easy for certain artists to become the target, and I'm willing to bet, if it gets complained about, it gets the boot because of a 'where there's smoke' mentality.
Yeah, the "Creamed on" pics were offensive, and, to me, that original "Ice Cream" one was too. Where's the line? The Ivy pic of Kim and Ron with popsicles was funny, because the innuendo was used for humor, but Lev's was not, it was implied sensuality.
Like the old axion says, if it exists, there's porn of it. If DA is so worried about their liability, then they need to police the ENTIRE site, perhaps even going to moderated posting if they want to keep all the smut out.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Feb 17, 2008 9:27:58 GMT -5
Does anyone think it's possible that Lev's art was taken down because it looked almost EXACTLY LIKE the artwork on the show? I mean, if I knew nothing about Lev and just browsed through his artwork, I'd think he was an official artist for the show. Aside from the fact that Kim was underage for 3/4ths of the show, aside from the fact that some of Lev's work was degrading or offensive to women, consider adding Disney into the equation. If I'm a Disney exec, I'm not sure how good I'd feel about a fan artist drawing provocative and possibly offensive pics in a style that almost completely mirrors the style of one of Disney's shows, particularly of a character that was explicitly prevented from ever even appearing in as little as bathing suit on the show (despite the fact that she was at some point on the swim team ) ....and now add all the other stuff in. Is it outside the realm of possibility that Disney themselves approached DA and wanted the pics down?
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 17, 2008 10:37:46 GMT -5
So you hate Levelord's art because of the sexist ideology that women should be virgins but men should not? How then can you also bring up a Reggaeton picture, a cultural thing that rails against that and levels the playing field, and claim to hate it as well? You hate the idea that women should be forced to be virginal but you also hate it if they are not? You want men and women to be forced to be virginal? Once again, to spare you another four sentences saying the same thing, screwed up generation of kids brainwashed into thinking that their body is bad and so are they. Anyone can make anyone uncomfortable with any kind of joke. The solution to this is of course this newfangled 'political correctness', and i'll just stop talking about that right now before I absolutely explode over the idiocy of that. Anything that could possibly be offensive to anyone anywhere must be censored and removed? Lemme tell you, we won't be left with a whole lot after that. All due respect? SUCK IT UP. You know how many geek jokes I endured all through grade and high school? Means nothing to me. I know some Jewish people who will happily tell and laugh at some of the most terrible Jewish jokes (What's the difference between a Jewish guy and a pizza? I won't say the answer on a family board) and they're fine with it. What makes women so special? If anything, that's sexist in that it implies that "women are too mentally weak to be able to take that so we should all be polite and gentle as to not scar them and make them cry like all women always do. Like the two Montegue pranksters said at the beginning of Romeo and Juliet, women are the weaker vessels." Besides, last I checked Levelord didn't catcall Kim Possible in the workplace. He drew pictures, which as I said, even if they were pictures of very realistic hardcore child p0rn, the courts have ruled that they are 100% legal. I'm not going to get into the sexual desires of people on this board, but I know several women who would not be offended by that and thoroughly enjoy that happening. Just because you seem to be a prude doesn't mean everyone else is. What are Kim's views on this? I don't know, I must have missed that episode. But if you think it's offensive for Kim and Ron to make love according to whatever their fetishes are, you're part of the screwed up generation. And if you also think it's wrong for people to get aroused at the thought of this, you're also screwed up, for you're saying that being normal is bad. If this was Levelord at work saying he'd like to ejaculate all over a coworker TO HER FACE you'd have an argument, as you constantly seem to want to sway the argument that way, but this has nothing to do with that. It's a JPG image file of a drawing of something that never happened in reality and is not depicting anyone who could take offense to it, unless Kim is a real person. Must have missed that episode too. To enjoy this type of picture is not bad by any means, and saying it is is saying that being normal is bad. Not paying THAT shrink bill. As for the creators, they had several years to voice their opinions. Butch Hartman or whatever his name is flat out told the community not to draw slash of Danny Phantom characters. I don't see anything of the sort coming down from the Kim Crew. I'd much rather have a generation a little too open about their sexuality than a generation so screwed up they can't have sex with their spouse without crying. If you're talking about real-world women dressing up like that, has it occured to you that dare I say MOST women want to be attractive? They're happy if they can be called sexy? They may be a tad too liberal at times but they are the most mentally healthy ones of us all, for they haven't been taught that their bodies are bad and so are they if they acknowledge that they have them. A person in a sexual pose is simply depicting something that happens in reality. By your logic a woman in a business suit at a board meeting is simply depicting herself as a corporate object. A mom nursing is a food object. Sex is not better or worse than the business world or breastfeeding. To say that posing sexually is worse than posing for business is to say that sex is somehow bad, and it's not. Ever stop to think that maybe the majority of people are NOT like that? PEOPLE dictate what is popular in fashion, not corporations. If companies produce skimpy clothing it's because there's a large market for it that will give them the most profit of all their possible production options. If black women style their hair a certain way it could just be that they think it LOOKS GOOD. Nobody is told to like it, they do that themselves. Women are NOT sexually degraded. They dress the way they do because they want to, and like, being attractive. They feel better about themselves if they are. And no, it's not because they were brainwashed to do so or because the media forces them to. Women are the ones who rose up against walking five feet behind the husband with a burka on, not men. This is what the majority wants, and chose for themselves. I ask you, how is it not respectful? The contact? What makes it not respectful to touch that part of the body? What grand, universal truth of right and wrong exists that claims that touching there is a sign of disrespect? There isn't one. You think it's disrespectful because you have been taught it. What is right and what is wrong are dictated by he or she who is witnessing it, and by the majority ruling. Take that up with Friedrich Nietzsche if you have a problem with that. But they key point is that the MAJORITY are not offended by this stuff as you are. And no, you did not just go and bring RAPE into this. I'm not straying this far from Levelord's Kim Possible pictures. You are not going to try to make me say that I support men raping women, because I don't. Don't even try, this road ends here, the Wizard of Oz ran out of yellow bricks. So now you're telling people that their sexual desires between each other is bad. Anyone have Dr. Phil's number? He's gonna make a killing off this generation. I know several people, men and women, who do enjoy that, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Maybe you don't like it, and fine, good for you, but don't try to make the claim that the practice is somehow bad. The man enjoys it? The woman enjoys it? ALL THAT MATTERS. Whether or not Kim Possible enjoys it is not up for discussion until I see the episode where this is discussed. Man, I wish I didn't miss it, it sounds fantastic.Hey everyone! L7 just insulted the entirety of Latin America! Seriously, you did. Reggaeton is a cultural thing which people in Latin American countries are VERY much into, as we are with rock and roll. Or I guess metal now, but you get the point. That's their culture, that's what the majority there likes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Furthermore, saying that all Reggaeton is sexual, or incorporates sex in some way, or even has the slightest thing to do with anything even remotely sexual just proves how uneducated you are on the subject. I refer you to this. Booyaka booyaka, Rey Mysterio!There is nothing wrong with two consenting partners performing their fetishes on each other. Women are not told it's normal, the women who like that practice came to like it themselves. Perhaps they didn't come up with the concept themselves, but nobody tells them that they have to like it. Besides, I'd prefer being sexually liberated to being sexually ashamed anyday. Ever stop to think that maybe there are women out there who enjoy posing in such a picture? They may find it fun, or funny, but they are not forced into that box and they are not offended by it. There's a difference between "I wouldn't do that" and "OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING!!" You seem to be the latter and you are the minority, i'm sorry.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Feb 17, 2008 11:01:31 GMT -5
So you hate Levelord's art because of the sexist ideology that women should be virgins but men should not? How then can you also bring up a Reggaeton picture, a cultural thing that rails against that and levels the playing field, and claim to hate it as well? You hate the idea that women should be forced to be virginal but you also hate it if they are not? You want men and women to be forced to be virginal? Once again, to spare you another four sentences saying the same thing, screwed up generation of kids brainwashed into thinking that their body is bad and so are they. Anyone can make anyone uncomfortable with any kind of joke. The solution to this is of course this newfangled 'political correctness', and i'll just stop talking about that right now before I absolutely explode over the idiocy of that. Anything that could possibly be offensive to anyone anywhere must be censored and removed? Lemme tell you, we won't be left with a whole lot after that. All due respect? SUCK IT UP. You know how many geek jokes I endured all through grade and high school? Means nothing to me. I know some Jewish people who will happily tell and laugh at some of the most terrible Jewish jokes (What's the difference between a Jewish guy and a pizza? I won't say the answer on a family board) and they're fine with it. What makes women so special? If anything, that's sexist in that it implies that "women are too mentally weak to be able to take that so we should all be polite and gentle as to not scar them and make them cry like all women always do." Besides, last I checked Levelord didn't catcall Kim Possible in the workplace. He drew pictures, which as I said, even if they were pictures of very realistic hardcore child p0rn, the courts have ruled that they are 100% legal. I'm not going to get into the sexual desires of people on this board, but I know several women who would not be offended by that and thoroughly enjoy that happening. Just because you seem to be a prude doesn't mean everyone else is. What are Kim's views on this? I don't know, I must have missed that episode. But if you think it's offensive for Kim and Ron to make love according to whatever their fetishes are, you're part of the screwed up generation. And if you also think it's wrong for people to get aroused at the thought of this, you're also screwed up, for you're saying that being normal is bad. If this was Levelord at work saying he'd like to ejaculate all over a coworker TO HER FACE you'd have an argument, as you constantly seem to want to sway the argument that way, but this has nothing to do with that. It's a JPG image file of a drawing of something that never happened in reality and is not depicting anyone who could take offense to it, unless Kim is a real person. Must have missed that episode too. To enjoy this type of picture is not bad by any means, and saying it is is saying that being normal is bad. Not paying THAT shrink bill. As for the creators, they had several years to voice their opinions. Butch Hartman or whatever his name is flat out told the community not to draw slash of Danny Phantom characters. I don't see anything of the sort coming down from the Kim Crew. I'd much rather have a generation a little too open about their sexuality than a generation so screwed up they can't have sex with their spouse without crying. If you're talking about real-world women dressing up like that, has it occured to you that dare I say MOST women want to be attractive? They're happy if they can be called sexy? They may be a tad too liberal at times but they are the most mentally healthy ones of us all, for they haven't been taught that their bodies are bad and so are they if they acknowledge that they have them. A person in a sexual pose is simply depicting something that happens in reality. By your logic a woman in a business suit at a board meeting is simply depicting herself as a corporate object. A mom nursing is a food object. Sex is not better or worse than the business world or breastfeeding. To say that posing sexually is worse than posing for business is to say that sex is somehow bad, and it's not. Ever stop to think that maybe the majority of people are NOT like that? PEOPLE dictate what is popular in fashion, not corporations. If companies produce skimpy clothing it's because there's a large market for it that will give them the most profit of all their possible production options. If black women style their hair a certain way it could just be that they think it LOOKS GOOD. Nobody is told to like it, they do that themselves. Women are NOT sexually degraded. They dress the way they do because they want to, and like, being attractive. They feel better about themselves if they are. And no, it's not because they were brainwashed to do so or because the media forces them to. Women are the ones who rose up against walking five feet behind the husband with a burka on, not men. This is what the majority wants, and chose for themselves. I ask you, how is it not respectful? The contact? What makes it not respectful to touch that part of the body? What grand, universal truth of right and wrong exists that claims that touching there is a sign of disrespect? There isn't one. You think it's disrespectful because you have been taught it. What is right and what is wrong are dictated by he or she who is witnessing it, and by the majority ruling. Take that up with Friedrich Nietzsche if you have a problem with that. But they key point is that the MAJORITY are not offended by this stuff as you are. And no, you did not just go and bring RAPE into this. I'm not straying this far from Levelord's Kim Possible pictures. You are not going to try to make me say that I support men raping women, because I don't. Don't even try, this road ends here, the Wizard of Oz ran out of yellow bricks. So now you're telling people that their sexual desires between each other is bad. Anyone have Dr. Phil's number? He's gonna make a killing off this generation. I know several people, men and women, who do enjoy that, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Maybe you don't like it, and fine, good for you, but don't try to make the claim that the practice is somehow bad. The man enjoys it? The woman enjoys it? ALL THAT MATTERS. Whether or not Kim Possible enjoys it is not up for discussion until I see the episode where this is discussed. Man, I wish I didn't miss it, it sounds fantastic.Hey everyone! L7 just insulted the entirety of Latin America! Seriously, you did. Reggaeton is a cultural thing which people in Latin American countries are VERY much into, as we are with rock and roll. Or I guess metal now, but you get the point. That's their culture, that's what the majority there likes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Furthermore, saying that all Reggaeton is sexual, or incorporates sex in some way, or even has the slightest thing to do with anything even remotely sexual just proves how uneducated you are on the subject. I refer you to this. Booyaka booyaka, Rey Mysterio!There is nothing wrong with two consenting partners performing their fetishes on each other. Women are not told it's normal, the women who like that practice came to like it themselves. Perhaps they didn't come up with the concept themselves, but nobody tells them that they have to like it. Besides, I'd prefer being sexually liberated to being sexually ashamed anyday. Ever stop to think that maybe there are women out there who enjoy posing in such a picture? They may find it fun, or funny, but they are not forced into that box and they are not offended by it. There's a difference between "I wouldn't do that" and "OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING!!" You seem to be the latter and you are the minority, i'm sorry. I'm sorry too, but this is obviously going to lead to nowhere. So in short, skipping over the massive QUOTE BATTLES(~!), the bottom line is that Lev got banned and (fair or not), DevArt ain't budging. BIG. FUNKIN'. DEAL. There are other places to post fan art. Places with much, MUCH looser restrictions on mature content, copyrighted material, bias or whatever. Lev, and anyone else who's got beef with DA, can go to one of those other sites. It's not that hard. Come on. Oh, and props on the Rey-Rey plug. 619~!
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 17, 2008 11:05:00 GMT -5
I should point out that 619 is an area code for San Diego, where Rey Mysterio is from, and that's what he calls his finishing move. You know, before anyone claims that 619 is perverted. ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JudFGRUrN_8
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Feb 17, 2008 11:09:13 GMT -5
So you hate Levelord's art because of the sexist ideology that women should be virgins but men should not? How then can you also bring up a Reggaeton picture, a cultural thing that rails against that and levels the playing field, and claim to hate it as well? You hate the idea that women should be forced to be virginal but you also hate it if they are not? You want men and women to be forced to be virginal? Once again, to spare you another four sentences saying the same thing, screwed up generation of kids brainwashed into thinking that their body is bad and so are they. Anyone can make anyone uncomfortable with any kind of joke. The solution to this is of course this newfangled 'political correctness', and i'll just stop talking about that right now before I absolutely explode over the idiocy of that. Anything that could possibly be offensive to anyone anywhere must be censored and removed? Lemme tell you, we won't be left with a whole lot after that. All due respect? SUCK IT UP. You know how many geek jokes I endured all through grade and high school? Means nothing to me. I know some Jewish people who will happily tell and laugh at some of the most terrible Jewish jokes (What's the difference between a Jewish guy and a pizza? I won't say the answer on a family board) and they're fine with it. What makes women so special? If anything, that's sexist in that it implies that "women are too mentally weak to be able to take that so we should all be polite and gentle as to not scar them and make them cry like all women always do." Besides, last I checked Levelord didn't catcall Kim Possible in the workplace. He drew pictures, which as I said, even if they were pictures of very realistic hardcore child p0rn, the courts have ruled that they are 100% legal. I'm not going to get into the sexual desires of people on this board, but I know several women who would not be offended by that and thoroughly enjoy that happening. Just because you seem to be a prude doesn't mean everyone else is. What are Kim's views on this? I don't know, I must have missed that episode. But if you think it's offensive for Kim and Ron to make love according to whatever their fetishes are, you're part of the screwed up generation. And if you also think it's wrong for people to get aroused at the thought of this, you're also screwed up, for you're saying that being normal is bad. If this was Levelord at work saying he'd like to ejaculate all over a coworker TO HER FACE you'd have an argument, as you constantly seem to want to sway the argument that way, but this has nothing to do with that. It's a JPG image file of a drawing of something that never happened in reality and is not depicting anyone who could take offense to it, unless Kim is a real person. Must have missed that episode too. To enjoy this type of picture is not bad by any means, and saying it is is saying that being normal is bad. Not paying THAT shrink bill. As for the creators, they had several years to voice their opinions. Butch Hartman or whatever his name is flat out told the community not to draw slash of Danny Phantom characters. I don't see anything of the sort coming down from the Kim Crew. I'd much rather have a generation a little too open about their sexuality than a generation so screwed up they can't have sex with their spouse without crying. If you're talking about real-world women dressing up like that, has it occured to you that dare I say MOST women want to be attractive? They're happy if they can be called sexy? They may be a tad too liberal at times but they are the most mentally healthy ones of us all, for they haven't been taught that their bodies are bad and so are they if they acknowledge that they have them. A person in a sexual pose is simply depicting something that happens in reality. By your logic a woman in a business suit at a board meeting is simply depicting herself as a corporate object. A mom nursing is a food object. Sex is not better or worse than the business world or breastfeeding. To say that posing sexually is worse than posing for business is to say that sex is somehow bad, and it's not. Ever stop to think that maybe the majority of people are NOT like that? PEOPLE dictate what is popular in fashion, not corporations. If companies produce skimpy clothing it's because there's a large market for it that will give them the most profit of all their possible production options. If black women style their hair a certain way it could just be that they think it LOOKS GOOD. Nobody is told to like it, they do that themselves. Women are NOT sexually degraded. They dress the way they do because they want to, and like, being attractive. They feel better about themselves if they are. And no, it's not because they were brainwashed to do so or because the media forces them to. Women are the ones who rose up against walking five feet behind the husband with a burka on, not men. This is what the majority wants, and chose for themselves. I ask you, how is it not respectful? The contact? What makes it not respectful to touch that part of the body? What grand, universal truth of right and wrong exists that claims that touching there is a sign of disrespect? There isn't one. You think it's disrespectful because you have been taught it. What is right and what is wrong are dictated by he or she who is witnessing it, and by the majority ruling. Take that up with Friedrich Nietzsche if you have a problem with that. But they key point is that the MAJORITY are not offended by this stuff as you are. And no, you did not just go and bring RAPE into this. I'm not straying this far from Levelord's Kim Possible pictures. You are not going to try to make me say that I support men raping women, because I don't. Don't even try, this road ends here, the Wizard of Oz ran out of yellow bricks. So now you're telling people that their sexual desires between each other is bad. Anyone have Dr. Phil's number? He's gonna make a killing off this generation. I know several people, men and women, who do enjoy that, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Maybe you don't like it, and fine, good for you, but don't try to make the claim that the practice is somehow bad. The man enjoys it? The woman enjoys it? ALL THAT MATTERS. Whether or not Kim Possible enjoys it is not up for discussion until I see the episode where this is discussed. Man, I wish I didn't miss it, it sounds fantastic.Hey everyone! L7 just insulted the entirety of Latin America! Seriously, you did. Reggaeton is a cultural thing which people in Latin American countries are VERY much into, as we are with rock and roll. Or I guess metal now, but you get the point. That's their culture, that's what the majority there likes, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Furthermore, saying that all Reggaeton is sexual, or incorporates sex in some way, or even has the slightest thing to do with anything even remotely sexual just proves how uneducated you are on the subject. I refer you to this. Booyaka booyaka, Rey Mysterio!There is nothing wrong with two consenting partners performing their fetishes on each other. Women are not told it's normal, the women who like that practice came to like it themselves. Perhaps they didn't come up with the concept themselves, but nobody tells them that they have to like it. Besides, I'd prefer being sexually liberated to being sexually ashamed anyday. Ever stop to think that maybe there are women out there who enjoy posing in such a picture? They may find it fun, or funny, but they are not forced into that box and they are not offended by it. There's a difference between "I wouldn't do that" and "OMG THAT'S DISGUSTING!!" You seem to be the latter and you are the minority, i'm sorry. I'm sorry too, but this is obviously going to lead to nowhere. So in short, skipping over the massive QUOTE BATTLES(~!), the bottom line is that Lev got banned and (fair or not), DevArt ain't budging. BIG. FUNKIN'. DEAL. There are other places to post fan art. Places with much, MUCH looser restrictions on mature content, copyrighted material, bias or whatever. Lev, and anyone else who's got beef with DA, can go to one of those other sites. It's not that hard. Come on. Oh, and props on the Rey-Rey plug. 619~! NewSkool pretty much said what I was going to say, as good as this little debate might be it's obvious that it isn't gonna solve anything, let alone make Levelord's Banning seem like a huge tragedy. Were his pictures risque? Yes, "Cream" seemed to play a big part in most of his works, were they offensive? A little, but not flat out "OMG HOW COULD HE DO THAT?!?!?". Whatever, Levelord's no longer on DeviantArt because he walked on a fine line for too long and decided to lash out at DA afterwards. That's all there is to it.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Feb 17, 2008 11:09:31 GMT -5
I should point out that 619 is an area code for San Diego, where Rey Mysterio is from, and that's what he calls his finishing more. You know, before anyone claims that 619 is perverted. ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JudFGRUrN_8Awww, you were supposed to let someone assume it was something perverted so they could get all offended and then we'd call them on it and make them feel all awkward for jumping to that conclusion, but now it's too late for that and i'm stuck typing one big run-on sentence. Yeah, pretty much. Anytime you lash out at the mods, whether it be here, some other forum, DA, or any other site, you're serving youself up to get banned. I'm sure Lev knew that and was gonna leave the site anyway, which was why he did it.
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 17, 2008 11:14:00 GMT -5
I should point out that 619 is an area code for San Diego, where Rey Mysterio is from, and that's what he calls his finishing more. You know, before anyone claims that 619 is perverted. ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JudFGRUrN_8Awww, you were supposed to let someone assume it was something perverted so they could get all offended and then we'd call them on it and make them feel all awkward for jumping to that conclusion, but now it's too late for that and i'm stuck typing one big run-on sentence. And then I could say "Does San Diego offend you now? Once again you show how much you fail at doing research and just jump to ridiculous conclusions in hopes that nobody will call you on them"? Thought about it, decided to be nice today.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 17, 2008 11:34:27 GMT -5
You seem to know a lot people who like a lot of things TP but just because you know people who like it doesnt make it right or acceptable either. You keep going on about "I know people who like blah blah blah" so what? Does the fact that you personally know someone that likes it make it alright and acceptable? Just because you know someone and agree with their likes doesnt make it right, it just means that its you and them that like it. As for girls enjoy the fetish mentioned, are you also saying that if someone enjoys doing something that makes it ok? Think before answering that. I know a lot of people too. I even know people whos morals are questionable at best but that doesnt make what they do right. You seem to be saying its acceptable because a few people you know like it. Ever thought maybe the people you know are wrong? You also mentioned that art depicting animated children in sexual situations is legal, well that still doesnt make it right. If someone is into that then they'll be into the real thing and this just gives more room for sexual predators to breath in my opinion. One last thing. You seem to have a lot of sarcasm and 'wit' your last post which in my opinion shows that you actually have nothing to say but keep throwing up the same stuff, they say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so dont bring it into a serious discussion unless you dont want people to take what you say seriously.
Anyway, lets get away from this arguement for a moment as it gets really tiring trying to argue a point with someone who has obviously made up their mind, no matter wrong they may be. LL has been banned from dA and no matter what theories or cover ups (Love the Disney mastermind angle) we come up with, this is the inescapable truth. He was a good artist, another fact that cant be argued, even if the subject of his art was questionable at times. Essential dA did what dA does, they're running their site their way.
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 17, 2008 11:43:51 GMT -5
Well like Friedrich Nietzsche said, right and wrong are not universal truths. They are relative to each other, and what falls into either category is up to he who perceives it, and to the majority rule. And yes, the majority of people have fetishes in the bedroom, they are just not openly discussed out of fear of being labeled a wh*re or freak needing psychiatric help by our prudish, overly conservative, "political correctness is more important than anything" society. People are told they are bad just for being themselves. This is why psychiatrists are getting their own talk shows now and raking in millions, so many people are screwed up by this.
Yes, i'm sarcastic by nature. My high school english teacher branded me with the motto "words are loaded pistols." What do you want from me? I'm very satirical in my arguments, but I get my points across loud and clear. Trying to say my views are less credible because of how I express them is akin to saying people with an accent shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 17, 2008 11:53:52 GMT -5
No its not. If you delivered your arguements with less venom people would maybe be able to read past the first sentence without losing patience. Your views are your views, something we are all entitled to, but no one is going to listen are take seriously what you have to say. You make these massive post and while I'm reading them I go "Ok, fine..." and then you manage to slide in something completely pointless that only manages to get peoples backs up. People listen to other people who present their arguement in a non confrontational way. Words might be loaded pistols but you only end up shooting your arguement in the foot with all the pointless snipes which you may think are clever but actually take a lot away from your arguement. Instead of seeing someone who is expressing his opinion and believe I see a person who is closed minded and would rather try to take shots at the other person than engage in an intellectual conversation about the matter at hand.
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 17, 2008 11:59:43 GMT -5
Satire is a very successful method of debating. Nothing hits a point home better. It may invoke feelings of anger for a moment, but it's the most effective way to take a stance and defend it. You act as though i'm the only satirical debater in the world. I didn't invent satire. I wish, but no, it wasn't me.
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