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« Reply #172 on Jun 21, 2005, 11:22pm »
Oops! I forgot to turn my "Job Unfair" shots into jpegs! I'll be as back soon as I do this.
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« Reply #173 on Jun 22, 2005, 12:12am »
Ron's a lot more help on the mission in Canada. He was probably trying to make up for his mistake at the weather machine shop. Kim thanks him for his help too (aw). Ron also seems to be trying to impress Kim with an accent and his suit. When looking good doesn't help, he tries acting good and it works. Kim respects him a lot more after this episode. Can't wait to paralel it with the next episode.
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cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #174 on Jun 22, 2005, 12:42am » If "Rufus in Show" shows Kim and Ron (and Rufus) working as a well-coordinated team, "Job Unfair" shows Ron at his most incompetent. He can't do anything right! The gadgets Janitor Joe gives him either completely befuddle him or just plain malfunction. Why would anyone put the "off" switch to a pair of rocket shoes on the underside of the toe, right next to the rockets? And why did the immobilization ray backfire? It's hard to blame Ron for most of this, and he does put the sneezing powder bowtie to good use, but these devices put Ron totally in the realm of comic relief. But Ron's dumb skill comes through and he manages to knock Shego out by falling on her. This is season two, however, and Kim mostly takes Ron's gadget failures in good humor. In production order, this episode (211) is two before "Car Trouble" (213), and we see similar body-language stuff to what I discussed above (reply 106, back on page 8). Kim and Ron looking at brochures.  Smiles at the lockers again.  Reacting at Wacky Wally's...  Kim flying with Ron...  There's others, but you get the idea. Despite everything, they're getting along pretty well. And this may be completely irrelevant to our purpose here, but this is just too funny!-- Drakken hugging Shego from fright or surprise when the weather machine makes a storm inside the cockpit. Look at their expressions!  ———————————————— |
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« Reply #175 on Jun 22, 2005, 1:25am »
“how about the scene when the chimerito explodes? Kim giggles. Usually, Ron's antics annoy Kim. Here, she actually thinks it cute.”
Noticed that one right away. Somebody needs to screencap that one. It's one of the few times that she seems to find a "Ronism" charming instead of scowl-worthy.
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« Reply #176 on Jun 22, 2005, 4:16am »
The exploding chimmerito was a joke by Ron's mentor at Ron's expense. Don't see how it's a Ronism. What I wonder is how it managed to spray melted cheese over everything in the booth except Kim!
Actually, Kim seems fairly amused by most of Ron's spy-equipment failures, as well as the self-destructing messages. The one real disaster was the immobilization ray backfiring.
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« Reply #177 on Jun 22, 2005, 9:45am »
Jun 22, 2005, 4:16am, cloudmonet wrote:
“The exploding chimmerito was a joke by Ron's mentor at Ron's expense. ... What I wonder is how it managed to spray melted cheese over everything in the booth except Kim!”
I think I can answer that one. Kim was wearing her cheer uniform in that scene. Elsewhere on this board I theorized that Wade makes Kim's uniforms: the frequent changes in her skirt length suggest that it's a test-bed for the stealth suit technology. Obviously he installed some kind of cheese-repelling force field as well. (Like the plasma shield in So the Drama.)
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« Reply #178 on Jun 22, 2005, 10:20am »
Oh I get a hold of this one. That Drakken Shego pic is priceless. Once we get done with all 3 seasons, then we got to go back and do Drakken and Shego.
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cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #179 on Jun 22, 2005, 1:05pm » Then, too, considering that Ron's tux looks identical to the Rufus in show tux, could Wade be supplying equipment to a certain top-secret Canadian spy organization?  Purple Middleton High cheerleading uniforms, attractively styled, available with varying skirt length, straight or slightly V-shaped waist, resistant to exploding chimmeritos and Shego's green plasma, and allowing refreshing breezes to cool that smooth, zit-free cheerleader skin. [end of page 12] |
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« Reply #180 on Jun 22, 2005, 1:22pm »
That has got to be the best advertisement I have seen for clothing.
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« Reply #181 on Jun 23, 2005, 12:06am »
How did the self-destructing chimmerito miss Kim, anyway?
Anyway, J wanted images of this and here it is. How could Kim be annoyed with Ron over this? He looks hilarious and she's amused, but trying to stifle it down to reasonable politeness.
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« Reply #182 on Jun 23, 2005, 12:16am »
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« Reply #183 on Jun 23, 2005, 1:06am »
Let's not forget that the exploding message is a parody of Mission Impossible and Inspector Gadget. Remember that Chief Quimby was often the victim of the self-destructing message. Here, it's Ron whose the victim. It's more embarrassing than painful though. Especially since Ron is trying to be so suave as a secret agent.
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« Reply #184 on Jun 23, 2005, 8:10am »
she ducked, silly...
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« Reply #185 on Jun 23, 2005, 9:51am »
Hey if I was Ron making Kim giggle would be worth the dry-cleaning bill.
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« Reply #186 on Jun 23, 2005, 3:01pm »
I absolutely love the pic of Shego and Drakken.
It seems that we have ran off all of the non-K/R shippers. There is very little contention on this thread anymore.
However, it is still fun to read and post on regularly. I will try to watch Job Unfair soon and comment.
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« Reply #187 on Jun 23, 2005, 3:12pm »
Sometime in May, the Jabberwocky posted that he was going to be absent for two months. I guess this means he may be back soon. In his absence, I'm not sure if we ran off all the non-shippers, or convinced them.
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« Reply #188 on Jun 23, 2005, 3:41pm »
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“she ducked, silly...”
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« Reply #189 on Jun 23, 2005, 4:57pm »
She used the force!
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« Reply #190 on Jun 23, 2005, 8:44pm »
One thing I want to note about "Job Unfair" is that it starts a story arc of Ron searching for his "inner hero". As Cloudmonet noted in his fascinating analysis of "The Ron Factor", after that episode Ron stops complaining about his role as sidekick and essentially begins asking not what his KP can do for him, but what he can do for his KP. "Job Unfair" begins the next step in his evolution, as Ron attempts to define his own heroic identity separate from Kim. His "Agent Ron" persona is something of a bust (suave, sophisticated and hi-tech aren't really Ron's style), but in future episodes we'll see him explore life as a costumed crusader, a ninja warrior, and an extreme sports competitor (with varying degrees of success).
I'll want to discuss this trend more when we get to "Fearless Ferret", but suffice for now to note that Ron (conciously or subconciously) is working towards being *worthy* of Kim. After all, if Ron wasn't a hero in his own right would he be the right man for the dynamic Kim Possible?
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« Reply #191 on Jun 23, 2005, 10:06pm »
very interesting post GH - I agree with the idea that after "The Ron Factor" that Ron began to question his sidekick/distraction role and begin to step up to the plate, as it were...
but it also shows the evolution of Kim's feelings towards him as well, with him taking on more of the work and not just running around, hoping to not be shot.
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« Reply #192 on Jun 23, 2005, 11:07pm »
" 'Job Unfair' starts a story arc of Ron searching for his 'inner hero.' ... In future episodes we'll see him explore life as a costumed crusader, a ninja warrior, and an extreme sports competitor (with varying degrees of success)."
Right on. I hadn't noticed that. Actually, in production order, and probably "actual" order as well, "Fearless Ferret" comes before "Job Unfair." Similar idea in that Ron has a mysterious mentor training him to be a hero in his own right, but with the wrong personality style. Kim always gets at least a little annoyed (or a lot) whenever Ron's posing.
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« Reply #193 on Jun 24, 2005, 7:44pm »
Are we ready to move on to "The Golden Years"?
This is a relatively Ron-lite (and K/R-lite) episode. We do get to see another example of how Ron fits in so naturally with the Possible family when he accompanies them to Florida, some (very) minor jealin' on Kim's part when he devotes himself to impressing college girls, and some heroism when Ron leads a horde of Spring Breakers to invade Drakken's lab at the end. But overall, not one of the more memorable eps of the season.
One thing though: am I the only one who suspects that in her younger days Nana had a fling with a young Senor Senior Senior?
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« Reply #194 on Jun 24, 2005, 8:09pm »
Okay, in Job Unfair Kim seems a bit ammused by Ron's antics. However, in The Golden Years she's annoyed by them again. These are different antics thatn in the previous episode, though. This is the first time, I think, that Kim says something insulting to Ron.
Also, when Kim asked, "What's on the agenda? A little sun? A little surf?" she sounded like she wanted to hang with him at the beach.
Oh, yeah. And I liked how Ron smiled when Kim was finally getting along with Nana.
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cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 748 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #197 on Jun 24, 2005, 10:24pm » Shipper’s Nightmare"Golden Years" is this shipper's nightmare. Ron gets in touch with his inner jerk, for reasons that aren't revealed, and the results aren't pretty. It's a week after "Job Unfair" (Kim tells Nana this). For once, broadcast order is better than production order. Kim's busy. Whatever adventure Ludwig the Bavarian spy/janitor offered wasn't shown (I imagine Professor Dementor up to no good), and immediately following the end of this one, there's the spiders on Guam (also not shown). So Ron goes to Florida with the girl who'll eventually become the love of his life and her family, to, um, party with curvy college girls? Where'd he get this idea? Does he have a bunch of buddies we've never seen with whom he discusses girls? Did he watch one of those nerd gets bikini babe teen movies? Did Kim turn him down hard and bruise his ego? (There's no sign of this.) For this episode, the simplest conclusion is, maybe they are just friends. I can't eliminate the possibility that Ron's trying to make Kim jealous, but I can't find much support for this idea either.  Ron, why don't you look at the babe on your side of the curtain? She's the one who really likes you. Oh, right, there's a mission, something about a signal from an ice cream truck, Wade's talking to KP and, oooh, curvy...  Somehow Kim and Ron get separated. She's rocket skating after Drakken's truck, and Ron's, well, in need of a map because he thinks he's lost in a college girl's eyes. Kind of a cute come-on line actually, but these only work if the girl's already considering you.  Well, Ron's still busy working on his reputation as a loser while Kim's at Nana's home playing Strategory with Dad and the Tweebs. He's back for breakfast the next morning, telling Kim about his failures, then they go off to investigate the high tech robberies together-- the one bit of work they do together this time out. Kim finds clues implicating Nana, and when Nana goes into another trance and wanders away, Kim follows on a jetski.  Where's Ron? Have you ever seen him be this little help? Oh, right, he's trying to chill by the pool with the sorority babes. Kim gets captured and she's dangling over a pit of alligators. Wade observes this with the kimmunicator in mobile mode, locks on the signal to Ron's microchip, and alerts Ron to Kim's peril.  We've seen something like this sitch before, right? "Bueno Nacho." Ron immediately drops what he's doing and hurries to the rescue, right? This is his best friend, his partner, the girl he could be subconsciously in love with, right? Isn't that the way the clues have been pointing? Not this time. Ron takes the time to design and photocopy flyers announcing a "Rufus Party" at Drakken's gator farm. By the time his partygoers arrive, Kim's saved herself from the gators, battled Shego and Nana, turned off Drakken's control switch (Kim is a master at cutting off Drakken's signals), and— okay, Drakken was about to launch a satellite and the party stopped that. Ron did that much good, at least. Does Kim confront Ron with an angry, "Where were you?" Does she grab Ron by the wrist and they chase Drakken and Shego? Nooo... Ron's finally got attention and affection from his favorite two curvy college babes! Well, they grabbed him and started dancing with him, anyway.  And the next morning, the family's ready to return to Middleton, Kim's all ninja buddies with Nana, and Wade interrupts with a mission to Guam. Kim looks very pleased to avoid the long ride home and be off on a mission with Ron. If I were Kim I'd be very angry with Ron, not because of jealousy (though that could contribute), but because he seriously let her down. There was a serious "life lesson" for Ron to learn from this episode, but he learned nothing. I'd call this episode a complete anomaly, but Ron will do something similar in "Triple S." There's a lot of other interesting stuff going on in this episode, with Drakken and Shego, and with Nana. Why wouldn't Kim know anything about the family member she seems to resemble the most? Why would a quasi navy seal kung fu expert suggest ballroom dancing as an exciting activity? If she was worried about Kim's safety, why wouldn't she train her? « Last Edit: Jun 24, 2005, 10:30pm by cloudmonet » ———————————————— |
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« Reply #198 on Jun 25, 2005, 9:56am »
Cloudmonet wrote:
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All I can say is, at times, Ron displays the shallow, self-centered and horny personailty of...a typical teenaged boy. You think he's bad here? I was ready to kick his butt all the way through "Partners". But to his credit these are rare occurances, and the normal Ron is much more attentive to Kim. I consider the occassional outbreak of *jerkiness* to be a bit of backsliding on Ron's road to maturity. But you're right -- the fact that this episode has no payoff to Ron's bad behaviour (unlike "Partners") is what puts it near the bottom of my list for season two.
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“There's a lot of other interesting stuff going on in this episode, with Drakken and Shego, and with Nana.”
Drakken, Shego and the ice cream truck are the highlight of the episode for me. This isn't the best place, but in one of the upcoming ep discussions I want to get into how D/S serve as the traditional comedic counterpoint to our rooting couple K/R, a literary device that traces as far back as Shakespeare (at least).
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I also find it strange that Ron has never met Nana prior to this, especially since it appeared in "Downhill" that she lived close enough by for the Drs. Possible to drop off the tweebs at short notice.
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Good questions. Are there any apparent answers? Nope. Another reason that this episode ranks low for me. The Nana we see at the beginning of the episode seems to be a different person than the one at the end -- a dramatic cheat to setup Kim and Nana's reconciliation. That Kim is just the latest in a long line of remarkable Possibles is a fine idea (used to better effect in "Rewriting History") but here it falls flat. Only the fine voice work of Debbie Reynolds salvages the character for me.
Buck up CM. We have three great eps in a row coming up, each of which invites extensive analysis of Kim, Ron, and their respective love lives. Tomorrow -- on to "Vir-tu-Ron"!
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« Reply #200 on Jun 25, 2005, 11:00am »
"I want to get into how D/S serve as the traditional comedic counterpoint to our rooting couple K/R..." --GnuHopper
Oooh! Seriously cool observation. I like it when other folks come up with seriously cool observations which haven't occurred to me at all.
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« Reply #201 on Jun 25, 2005, 12:04pm »
Jun 24, 2005, 10:24pm, cloudmonet wrote:
“We've seen something like this sitch before, right? "Bueno Nacho." Ron immediately drops what he's doing and hurries to the rescue, right? This is his best friend, his partner, the girl he could be subconsciously in love with, right? Isn't that the way the clues have been pointing?
Not this time. Ron takes the time to design and photocopy flyers announcing a "Rufus Party" at Drakken's gator farm.”
More likely, this is a case of Ron thinking strategically. Yes, in Bueno Nacho he hears that Kim is in trouble and almost immediatly rushes out to save her, forfeiting a potentially epic rise through the ranks of the Bueno Nacho heirarchy. It is a cool scene, I'll agree, and leads to a very sweet moment between our heroes.
Now, remember what happens when Ron arrives. He is immediately captured by Shego and a large number off goons. While Ron ain't always the brightest light in the chandelier, I'll bet he remembers this as well.
Still, Ron was willing to rush off into unknown danger to save Kim. Remember that he doesn't make the fliers till after Rufus complains about having to leave his fans.
This gives our luckless Lothario an idea: he needs backup, or else he's just charging in to be captured again. The closest thing he has to working backup, the spring breakers, will need something to lure them to the swamp.
They love Rufus. A plan forms in Ron's head, which will allow him to bring an army of college students to a place where they can cause some havoc... but havoc with a purpose.
All in all, not a bad plan on Ron's part.
As to the shippiness, or dearth thereof, nothing says that they have to be in love with each other, even subconsciously, throughout the entirety of the series. If they are in love at this point, then they are both so MID that it's not even funny.
I'd have to agree that at this point they are still "just friends". In season 1, I think, Ron may have had a bit of a crush on Kim (primary evidence, his disappointment about the dance in "Crush", and his actions in "Bueno Nacho"), but that Kim's crush on Mankey (and everything THAT caused, cf "October 31st"), caused him to look elsewhere. Here, the "elsewhere" takes the form of the College Girls (I understand the attraction, but the poor boy just tries too hard).
A change does occur somewhere in Season 2, because by the time of "Blush", he's feeling something for Kim. I don't know if it's romantic love at that point or not (I suspect it is, it takes Erik to force him to face it, and what he then has to do), but he is definitely attracted to her, and doesn't like her going off with Josh Mankey.
But that's just me.
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Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 312 « Reply #205 on Jun 25, 2005, 1:22pm » “Not to mention the one I'm surprised Disney let them keep in. Drakken: Your Nana is a bad grandmother- Kim: You shut your mouth! Cracks me up, but the implied ending is really pushing it.” my husband, the major Shaft fan, about plotzed himself when he heard it for the first time... now he can't help echoing it.  ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2,010 Location: Michigan « Reply #206 on Jun 25, 2005, 2:44pm » Man we are just moving along here. ———————————————— loser7 Guest Re: Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) « Reply #207 on Jun 25, 2005, 6:02pm » |
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« Reply #210 on Jun 25, 2005, 6:41pm »
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« Reply #211 on Jun 25, 2005, 7:37pm »
Jun 25, 2005, 11:00am, cloudmonet wrote:
I'll probably want to get into this when we reach "Blush", an episode with some serious role reversal for the K/R and D/S couples.
Also, I have one more thought on "Golden Years": if we are to accept the broadcast order as the correct series chronology, then this episode takes place between "Grudge Match" wherein Ron makes his play for Zita, and "Vir-tu-ron" which starts with them "...in the game". So if we're to assume Ron is casually dating Zita through this period, why is he off chasing college girls in Florida?
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« Reply #212 on Jun 25, 2005, 8:44pm »
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Are we ready to move on to "Vir-tu-Ron"? That would be the proper venue for *that* discussion.
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taechunsa Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 417 Location: Kansas « Reply #214 on Jun 25, 2005, 11:12pm » Golden Years was one of my least favorite episodes, for many of the reasons stated already about how Ron acts. However, I do have to agree with Artificial Moose about the army of teens. He needed a plan that was a bit better then "rush in with no plan". This also happened in large part becuase the authors needed a Kim/Nana story and I suspect that they simply found it easier to write with Ron out of the way. Oh, and Artificial Moose, you should look up the "Would Ron Kill" thread (or something like that). Throwing a buff Draken is minor compared to the damage he has been shown to produce. A frenzied Ron is not someone that I would bet against even when facing Shego. ———————————————— Sydney Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 57 « Reply #215 on Jun 26, 2005, 1:15am » Jun 25, 2005, 1:11pm, Artificial Moose wrote: “I mean, if he gets mad enough to throw Buff Drakken across the room in ASiT, just because they knocked down Bueno Nacho, imagine what he'd do if one of the bad guys did succeed in offing his KP.” Hm, well I think that whole sudden explosive sequence of Ron's was more the direct response of Shego's sassily explaining that she'd moved his mom to break up their team (Kim: *shocked* You broke us up?! )...rather than the loss of his beloved BN. Ron: YOU'RE the reason I MOVED? YOU'RE the reason I've been eating MEATCAKES? Drakken: SIT BACK! Ron: *snaps back his wrist* So in a way, it was his response to the closest thing to someone killing KP to him- someone maliciously removing her from his life. Note serious face.  Then after catapulting Drakken across the room- "And NO ONE knocks down Bueno Nacho, PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE." (on a side note, I enjoy how he cocks his head in the middle of saying that line.) Thus, we can infer from this the two things most important in Ron's life and the order that they go in: 1. Kim 2. Bueno Nacho And while they're in a distinct order (you moved me from Kim, AND you knocked down BN), they sort of go together, because for Ron an important part of BN is and had always been Kim - she was there pumping him on her two-wheeler for the opening and obviously it had become a hangout for them from then on, where they'd shared many a rant or naco...so, maybe this might be thinking too much into it, but maybe you could take his anger at her taking down BN as a dirty grab at destroying something that had come to be a special place for him..and Kim- thus cutting especially deep. They were the two things that were always stable, the two things that always, no matter what, kept him going, and so I guess its not that surprising that the fact that he risks losing them both heightens his biggest, defining crisis to come after this...in StD. Also interesting thinking about the whole time travel aspect of the movie..."and future"- a little foreshadowing on the writers' part? They did apparently have 3/4 of StD written from early on, right? But yeah, sorry for rambling on- I know its ahead but I just sort of wanted to put my spin on the scene and that sort of thing...one thing's for sure- Ron's capable of a lot. As for the Golden Years...I agree with what JuPmod said that maybe he's just looking elsewhere because he feels like Kim's not interested in going down that path (or as he was sort of told in Grudge Match), or maybe he was just trying to be macho. Or both. i'mtryingtobemacho!Ron can be pretty amusing, but Kim knows the routine. He'll snap out of it. He seems pretty easy to empathize (is that a word? I don't remember, its late at night) with Kim when she's explaining the Nana issue at the beginning..  And then he has his adventures in getting rejected by random college girls, at one point becoming jealous of...his naked mole rat. *hits self in face* But then at the end, maybe after realizing that he's really content enough just to be there with Kim and not try to go out there and be someone he's not, he's happy to go off with her on a mission-  Post- talking on kimmunicator, Kim goes- "saddle up boys, we're off." I know its not much, but it reminded me that Kim knows that no matter how much they go off and try to wow the other ladies..ultimately, they're still her boys, and that they'll be there. So maybe that's why she didn't freak. And then they share a nice little moment as Nana starts the debrief on Guam. He's glad the whole Nana and Kim thing got worked out- she's got it under control.  Maybe he's realized that he didn't really get much out of hanging out with those new college girls...nothing like saving the world with Kim. I think part of Ron knows she's the only girl he's really going after...If that makes sense.  Random question: Aren't the mutant spiders supposed to be in guam? Then why is one crawling across Wade's desk? *_* And now I am tired, and going to sleep. Oh sleep. Very nice. *crashes* « Last Edit: Jun 26, 2005, 1:17am by Sydney » ———————————————— |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:09:37 GMT -5
J Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 73 « Reply #216 on Jun 26, 2005, 1:47am » Notice whenever Ron taps that inner power, even Shego is ready to run. Especially in ASIT. Now, my take on The Golden Years. This episode does not deal with the Kim/Ron relationship very much. In fact, it's quite the opposite. However, there's this line: RON: Kim, I have a confession to make. I didn't come down here . . . KIM: Just to help my nana unpack? Kim already knew what Ron was up to. And she might be a bit jealous. But she knows when Ron has had his fun, he'll be right back with her. She knows he won't succeed. She's even willing to him strafe from a mission just to do so. The weird thing is that Ron is feeling guilty. He subconsciously believes he's cheating on her! KIM: Begin eyerolling . . . now. This is later confirmed at the breakfast buffet table. Kim doesn't need the details. She already knows Ron has failed. And the look she gives him is her saying, "See, you can't escape from me. You're mine." So it's not Ron, who becomes the babe magnet. It's Rufus. And why is Rufus, Ron's trusted friend and companion, not going to help him score popularity with the ladies? Perhaps because Rufus knows Ron is supposed to be with Kim. The bigger picture here is Nana Possible and her relationship with Kim. Obviously, she feels Kim as a younger version of herself. And we later learn of the incredible things that she was capable of when she was younger; much like Kim. But Nana calls it "a phase." It's something temporary. The issue is why did she stop? I'm guessing that Nana Possible in her sixties. Kim's father is roughly in his fourties. That means that Nana possible was somewhere in her twenties when she decided to start a family. That's not much older than Kim at this point. She's telling Kim to slow down. We'll never know why. But I like to think that she looks at Kim and Ron and knows they could be something more. Ballroom dancing?! What better to explore a blossoming relationship? In the end, Kim gets the grandmother she's always wanted. And Ron gets to be the life of the party for a day. ———————————————— Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 310 Re: Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) « Reply #217 on Jun 26, 2005, 8:57am » excellent post, J! wonder if all those sororities who grabbed Rufus as their honorary mascot will now try to recruit Kim... ———————————————— |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:10:41 GMT -5
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« Reply #218 on Jun 26, 2005, 12:05pm »
Okay, J and especially Sydney, your interpretations of these events put my mind somewhat more at ease, though it means Kim and Ron have supreme confidence in each other. Ron, that he can afford to take time assisting Kim; she can deal with alligators. Kim, that Ron will find his experience with college girls at best unsatisfying, and will find being her sidekick, friend, and whatever she's subconsciously thinking at this point, more satisfying. Both, of course, if they had these notions, were proven correct, though Ron had a bit more success with these college girls than Kim expected.
As for Zita and broadcast order, for the most part, forget the stupid broadcast order. Taechunsa started the season one thread this way because he wanted to investigate whether the order of episodes as presented in the United States supported the thesis that "Kim and Ron were always meant to get together. We thought it was pretty obvious..." However, just looking at what's happening to season three should be enough to show that the corporate scheduling folks at Disney Channel are clueless. The production order is the only authoritative order that has anything to do with the creators' intentions. When a series of episodes are shown in a sequence now, as a block or over a period of days or weeks, they're shown in production order. I've argued that this is the order we should be taking the episodes in, and suggested we start season two this way, but that's not what was decided. "Grudge Match" is 203, "Vir-Tu-Ron" is 204. Ron met Zita in the theater, and "dated" her (at least Kim and Monique thought he was dating her) in the next episode, and then she disappeared forever, gone the way of Walter Nelson and (eventually) Josh Mankey.
Would you dare date either Kim or Ron? Rivals have a way of mysteriously disappearing. Watch out, Yori, heh heh heh. I know you can take care of yourself pretty well, but, um, I'd be on guard if I were you.
So seriously, "Golden Years" has nothing to do with Zita. In Ron's reality, she's long gone. But everyone, please, keep on with "Golden Years" for a few more hours. I don't have my "Vir-Tu-Ron" screencaps together yet. (Heh heh heh again...)
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« Reply #219 on Jun 26, 2005, 1:37pm »
How much trouble would it be to switch to production order now?
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« Reply #220 on Jun 26, 2005, 9:00pm »
Golden years ia another one of those taht I think establishes how close as friends they are since the Possible family has Ron along for a family vacation. Also, it show how Kim humors Ron when he goes girl crazy.
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« Reply #221 on Jun 26, 2005, 11:52pm »
Switching to Production Order
Production order? Not too hard, I think. Just go through whatever we haven't done:
202 Partners
205 Vir-Tu-Ron
208 Motor Ed
209 Fearless Ferret
212 Queen Bebe
214 Go Team Go, and then every number in sequence afterwards.
If we don't switch pretty soon, the anomalies will get worse. What's before and what's after "A Sitch in Time" is rather important, probably sophomore vs. junior year. No way should "Exchange" be between "Fearless Ferret" and "Commodore Puddles," or "Partners" and "Motor Ed" delayed toward the end.
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« Reply #222 on Jun 26, 2005, 11:56pm »
Then I am all for switching.
I was actually in favor of using production order from the beginning. However, the first few episodes don't work out in either order. This was also much less important in the first season.
So, I am fine with moving to production order now. Does anyone else have any strong objections?
If not then I would say backtrack a little and pick up Partners.
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« Reply #223 on Jun 27, 2005, 12:28am »
Okay, I'm on it-- commence collecting "Partners" screencaps now. I'll be back soon.
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« Reply #224 on Jun 27, 2005, 3:25am »
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“gone the way of Walter Nelson and (eventually) Josh Mankey.”
Under a bus? Down the throat of a carnivorous reptile?
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:29:49 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) Page 16Cached by Google on Aug 20, 2005 12:04:12 GMT. (Read 15,703 times) Partnerscloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 757 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #225 on Jun 27, 2005, 4:38am » Ah, "Partners." We're near the beginning of season two, in the middle of a K/R relationship character arc, starting with "The Ron Factor," in which Ron decides that supporting Kim's ego is better than accepting some deserved credit for his own efforts. Kim thought this was sweet. (see page 6 of this thread, reply #80)  In "Partners," Ron's trying to earn credit (for a science project) without doing any work at all. So in a way, this is the opposite of how "The Ron Factor" ends. There's a lot of touching and hugging in this episode, most of it in contexts where the emotional context is known, so we can use this to check some of my body-language hypotheses about other season two episodes, in which the emotional context is less clear. The sitch is spelled out by Monique talking to Kim about Ron and science projects. Kim wants to work with Monique, but doesn't know how to "break up" with Ron as a science project partner.  We see, for the first time in the series, Ron touching Kim's shoulders a lot (and she's not pleased), opening the door for her, and scooting his desk close to hers. Kim's annoyance at Ron is a lot like her season one annoyance. Here's Ron's reaction when Mr. Barkin announces he's going to arrange the partnerships.  My Kim! My Kim! Look how we belong together! But Kim obviously thinks otherwise, at least right now. Note how "So the Drama" actually isn't the first time we see Ron with "segmented" teeth, though it's very rare. Look what happens when Barkin pairs Bonnie with Brick Flagg. Does Bonnie do a happy "take" or what? This is the first time we see these two interested in each other, though this probably hasn't just started.   So Kim and Ron don't go off to do a mission anywhere else, and at school Kim's paired with Justine, and Ron with Monique, and neither set of partners is working together. This doesn't make for a lot of Kim/Ron development.  I have read opinions to the effect that Ron/Monique shipping clues exist in some of the early Monique episodes. Okay, Ron does call her "girlfriend" in this episode, but this doesn't seem to mean anything. She's totally annoyed with him. Meanwhile Drakken wants to make genetic monsters, and the sitch between him, DNAmy, and Shego is almost soap-opera quality. Drakken's flirting with Amy to get her to do his bidding, Shego's flirtaceously teasing Drakken about this, and Amy's flirting back at Drakken but her heart really belongs to Monkey Fist, at least so she thinks, but that's another story. So a "dino-thing" with ears and whiskers like a dragon, rampages through Middleton, trying to eat the giant food sculptures at all the fast food restaurants. Ron and Monique work together to try to keep it busy eating flying donuts. Kim and Justine trap it in another dimension, or something. We do see something about Ron clearly delineated here: he doesn't care about schoolwork, but does care about saving the world. The change in Ron's attitude when the sitch becomes a mission is immediate and total, and takes Monique completely by surprise. He not only does his part, he provides leadership. Monique doesn't know how to be the distraction.  End of the mission, and Monique and Ron shake hands, a charcteristic gesture of non-sexual partners. If Kim had been working with him and been similarly pleased with the results, she probably would have touched his shoulder. Not much K/R here, but I think the body language stuff shown here validates my body language hypotheses about some of the (already discussed) episodes which follow, like "Grudge Match," "Naked Genius," and "Rufus in Show." ————————————————
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:32:59 GMT -5
taechunsa Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 418 Location: Kansas « Reply #226 on Jun 27, 2005, 9:37am » Great observations. I love the screencap of Bonnie. That is excellent. I find it interesting that Ron does touch Kim a lot in the beginning of this episode. It is also at a time where he seems to be placating her. She is rather upset with him. I love Rufus in the classroom scene. Not only is Ron hugging on Kim, but Rufus is pointing at her. The deliniation between Ron's motivations is one reason that I think Ron will do much better in college then in high school. It is also one reason that I think Ron and Kim work so well together. Ron is not really lazy, he just doesn't care about as much stuff as Kim does. The things that he does care about he tackles with as much gusto as Kim does the things she cares about. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2,021 Location: Michigan « Reply #227 on Jun 27, 2005, 10:10am » I apparently need to watch Partners. ———————————————— kpmuppets Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 46 « Reply #228 on Jun 27, 2005, 2:26pm » If you can stomach it. I have nothing to add, just saying "Partners" is my least favorite episode. I'm gone. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2,021 Location: Michigan « Reply #229 on Jun 27, 2005, 2:37pm » Oh thats encouraging. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 757 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #230 on Jun 27, 2005, 9:41pm » Probably kpmuppets is one of DNAmy's many detractors. There are very few Kim Possible episodes that are anything less than good, and many are totally excellent. "Partners" is fine, unless you have serious DNAmy issues. ———————————————— Zoza Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 2,786 « Reply #231 on Jun 27, 2005, 11:54pm » I have serious DNAmy issues  ———————————————— |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:34:25 GMT -5
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« Reply #232 on Jun 28, 2005, 3:43am »
I don't mind DNAmy, what I find disapointing about "Partners" is the same thing you didn't like about "Golden Years" Ron is, for all intents and purposes, a jerk.
anyways, on with the show-
At the beginning, Kim kind of does want to be Ron's science partner, she tries to let Monique down easy, and accuses Wade of exagerating about her 'vow'...
then it all comes flooding back, and Ron does touch her a lot more than usual, but it's not even remotely romantic. in fact, Kim is annoyed by it and rightly so, he's trying to use her. and since when does Ron wear a watch?
some quotes from Monique: "You need to give that boy some tough love" "I'm not Kim, I will not carry you"
I think Monique sees Kim and Ron for the couple that half of us saw all along. Mr-Dr. Possible as well? he assumes Kim is working on the science project with Ron, and when Kim says she's not, he says "gee, that's too bad."
but that's neither here nor there because they aren't Kim or Ron so it's no real sign.
The only think I noticed here is Kim's reluctance to push Ron away, even when she knows he isn't going to help on the science project.
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« Reply #233 on Jun 28, 2005, 9:28am »
Yeah, this was one of the episodes with bad Ron characterization.
I just realized that, in general, the least favorite episodes are ones in which Ron is being a jerk. Royal Pain (my vote for worst episode ever becuase not only is Ron being a jerk but so is Kim), Golden Years, Partners, ...
I also want to point out that I agree with Carbon. Although Ron touches Kim a lot in this episode I don't see it as being romantic.
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« Reply #234 on Jun 28, 2005, 10:49am »
Ron is pretty much usually a jerk (if that's what it is) when it comes to schoolwork. The science project is all one with copying and pasting term papers off the internet, or using a brain-enhanced Rufus to do algebra.
When he does it in some other arena of his life, such as the school election in "Royal Pain," the school newspaper in "All the News," or getting female attention in "The New Ron," "Golden Years," "Triple S," and "Ron Millionnaire," especially if it means he's working against Kim or not there when she needs him, that's when it really bothers me. "Partners," though annoying to Kim and especially Monique, doesn't sink to this level of jerkishness. When Kim wants a distraction in "Partners," Ron's right on the job with an idea that works, and guiding Monique through the process.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 26, 2006 2:35:52 GMT -5
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« Reply #235 on Jun 28, 2005, 11:16am »
wonder if Kim would make the same distinction between not being there at school and not being there to save the world.
As far as the thought on Ron going to scope out the college girls in Florida, It does seem pretty odd that Ron wouldn't want to take the opportunity away from his competition to spend some time with Kim. but on the other hand he's certainly got plenty of signals that she's not interested- probably enough to send even the most dedicated crush elsewhere, even if just for validation from some female, and he'd be back to his old ways soon enough.
My take on that before was that Ron is interested in all females, Kim being on the top of that list. he is a what, 15,16 year old guy here.
Since Triple S is off in the future, I'll cross that bridge when it comes- interestingly it's also after Christmas and Blush.
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« Reply #236 on Jun 28, 2005, 11:33am »
I'm lost, so I'll wait til the next episode.
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« Reply #237 on Jun 28, 2005, 12:07pm »
"Partners" is one of my least favorite episodes. Just as most here said, because Ron was acting like a jerk. Plus I didn't like Flanners. She annoyed me to no end.
Least Ron gotten his act together and worked with Monique instead of trying to let his partner do all the work on the science project. It was cool that Ron and Monique's project (the 'classic' volcano model) pleased Barkin while Kim and Flanner's tech project gotten him angry when 'Godzilla' escaped. Gee, seems like Kim will get another failing grade I guess, and she wasn't partner with Ron this time. ;D
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« Reply #238 on Jun 28, 2005, 12:16pm »
"wonder if Kim would make the same distinction between not being there at school and not being there to save the world"
I would guess so, simply because school doesn't involve life-threatening experiences, but on the other hand Kim does find especially the social challenges of school more difficult than saving the world so you may be right. My values aren't exactly the same as Kim's, and a lot of you folks, who are still in some kind of school yourselves, see these aspects more like she would.
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« Reply #239 on Jun 28, 2005, 12:29pm »
interesting to say the least with Ron being a jerk. glad he quickly changed for that episode. All part of growing up.
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