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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 30, 2005 13:49:42 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but my eyes are just glazing over and my mind's going numb, trying to figure out all these allegedly distinct forms of love, and what we either see or don't see in various episodes. Romantic love, I'm using for anything involving a couple or potential couple, as opposed to what goes down between family members, close friends of non sexually appealing genders. Within this wide definition of romantic love, there's a big spectrum of what can go down, and though it may be useful to point to a few characteristic types, one sort of romantic love can slip into another rather easily. We have here what amounts to a pair of childhood sweethearts going through changes about whether to become actual sweethearts, probably for no more complex reason than the funny freckled girl grows up to become a serious beauty with remarkable skills, while the funny freckled boy changes much less. A summary of my theory starting with the hug at the end of "Exchange"-- Kim has a rebound crush on Ron, after being disappointed by Josh and Hirotaka. Kim gets disappointed about Ron keeping Yamonouchi's secrets. They don't talk about their feelings to each other. Ron continues to be interested in other girls, because he thinks Kim's still crushing on Josh. Kim's feeling insecure, thinking she somehow missed her chance with Ron. She tries one other guy (Bobby from "Truth Hurts"). By "Steal Wheels," Kim's seeing Ron every Friday night, and jeals when he cancels. In "Emotion Sickness," the moodulator makes Kim act lovey, and Ron, scared by Kim's extreme mood changes, panicks. When it wears off, Kim's still hurt that Ron broke up with her, thinks she understands why, and for the rest of season 3 tries to get him more interested in her, but he misses every clue. "What if you brought a date?" she asks him in "Bay Boy," and looks disappointed when he brings up the friendship canard again. When she goes with him anyway, at the end, she doesn't let him casually call it a "date" because he hasn't earned this. Ron's quite aware that Yori likes him in "Exchange" but seems oblivious to her in "Gorilla Fist." Why? Because by this time his attention is totally on Kim. Yeah, he's trying to keep Kim in the "friendship" box because her other relationships seem unstable, but she's so much on his mind that he's not noticing obvious affection from anyone else. Kim just thinks he's slow, and is totally flummoxed by his "Why don't girls just tell you what they feel?" outburst. After all, Kim did just that in "Emotion Sickness" and Ron ran away screaming. What exactly is she supposed to do? By the beginning of "So the Drama," Kim's fed up, and looking for reasons to give up, which Bonnie feeds to her. This time Kim finds a guy who seems interested in her, as opposed to Josh, who wasn't really that interested, and a huge dose of jealousy makes Ron realize his friendship with Kim is more at risk if she has a real boyfriend who's someone else than if Ron himself becomes Kim's boyfriend, and so he does. And all Ron had to say is "I'm the guy for you," or even "I'm possibly the guy for you," depending on exactly how you interpret the "out there, in here," conversation. That's all Kim's wanted from him for quite awhile. It might have even been enough back at the lockers when he said "I think I know what this is all about--" and she perked up, apparently hoping Ron knew how sad she was looking at the other cheerleaders with their boyfriends. So she takes him to the prom, dances a slow dance with him, presses her body tight against his, and gives him a big kiss, all in the first verse of the song. She's had months of frustration, and she's gonna seal the deal right now, as solidly as possible. -------- But that's an overview. We're supposed to be diving for details. Does anyone have any more about "Dimension Twist"? Next comes "And the Molerat will be CGI." All I know about this is the Seniors are somehow involved, and a director wants to dramatize Kim's adventures. And, of course, this looks shippy: Can anyone familiar with this episode please enlighten us?
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Post by JuPMod on Sept 30, 2005 14:40:07 GMT -5
^ How can we review this episode for K/R shippy moments when it hasn't aired yet in the USA? This is the last episode they haven't aired yet ("Gorialla Fist" included, but I think most people seen it from the "So The Drama" DVD). I hate Disney at times!
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Post by blak on Sept 30, 2005 14:49:40 GMT -5
"And The More Will be CGI": IMO, but there's not enough "shippy" in that episode...(but that pic looks shippy!)
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Post by bDd on Sept 30, 2005 14:57:14 GMT -5
*Reads obnoxiously long posts on this page, rubs eyes, then walks away, mumbling how creative these guys can be when it comes to realistic cartoon characters and their relationships.*
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Post by zoza on Sept 30, 2005 14:58:08 GMT -5
*Reads obnoxiously long posts on this page, rubs eyes, then walks away, mumbling how creative these guys can be when it comes to realistic cartoon characters and their relationships.* LOL. This thread is not for amateurs. These are the experts here. I don't normally read it. ;D
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Post by bDd on Sept 30, 2005 15:00:43 GMT -5
I agree. Hey, why'd I step into this thread again?
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Post by zoza on Sept 30, 2005 15:04:47 GMT -5
I agree. Hey, why'd I step into this thread again? I don't know, come on let's go play on the fun board *leads Bondiggity dansah away from the Reevalution thread*
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Post by Panther on Sept 30, 2005 17:29:55 GMT -5
This is my daily 30 minutes of reading. I just wishI could actually contribute.
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Post by J2 on Sept 30, 2005 19:27:07 GMT -5
An overview of “And The Molerat Will Be CGI.” Please forgive me for not knowing how to post pics.
The episode starts out with Senior Senior Junior telling his father that he plans on being a teen pop sensation. And to help with that goal, he will steal the crown jewels of London. SSJ gets onto a black helicopter, and with a squad of black choppers, flies off.
Meanwhile, Kim and Ron are on a truck hauling the world largest cement swirly cone. The trucker thanks them for helping him with his eighteen tire blowouts. Ron wants to hang by the school thinking the swirly cone will impress the ladies.
“Which ladies?” Kim asks in her usual disgust.
“Giant swirly lovin’ ladies?” answers Ron with a nervous smile.
A call from Wade breaks the tension. He tells them SSJ is on his way to steal the Tower Of London. But he’s heading to New Zealand. Next scene: We see Junior arrive at the Tower Of London. He commands the helicopters to begin “Operation Steal The Tower Of London.” Ropes and hooks come out of the helicopters. Suddenly, a white chopper shows up.
“Thanks for the ride, Mr. Huey.” says Kim.
“What do you mean?” says Mr. Huey. “Your friend said you could pay cash!”
Kim gives Ron an angry look. Ron chuckles nervously. “Wade couldn’t find a ride, so I looked in the phone book. Gotta go!”
Ron grabs Kim’s shoulder and they freefall out of the white chopper. “I owe you a favor!” yells Kim.
They use their grappling hook guns to connect the ropes together. SSJ orders the black choppers to land. Ron and SSJ taunt each other for a second before being interrupted by Jimmy Blandhammer, famous Hollywood director.
“You kids are extreme with fives Xs!” he tells Kim and Ron.
He then tells SSJ that the Tower Of London was a set. SSJ gets into a black chopper and flies away. The other chopper pilots ask for jobs on the movie. Mr. Blandhammer then comes up with his next big idea: Kim Possible the Movie! And they’ll be played the hottest stars in Hollywood: Heather and Quinn. Kim is psyched! (CM, this is your screencap above) Ron shows some dismay.
“Aren’t they a little old to play us?” he asks.
“Haven’t you ever heard the expression, act your age?” asks Mr. Blandhammer.
“But they’re twenty-eight.” replies Ron.
“It’s Hollywood magic.” says Mr. Blandhammer. “And the Molerat will be CGI. That way, he can talk.”
Mr. Blandhammer’s idea: Heather and Quinn will live with Kim and Ron for a week, and get to know everything about them. Ron still isn’t sure about it.
“There’s no way he can capture my Ron-ness.” says Ron.
Next scene: A stretched limo-hummer crashes into the Possible driveway. Kim, Ron, Mr. Possible, and Mrs. Possible run outside to see if everyone is okay. Kim and Ron meet Heather and Quinn. Heather is ready to learn all about Kim. Ron however, has to deal with Quinn and his “whatever” attitude. Mr. Possible doesn’t like the idea of show folk around the house. And Mrs. Possible isn’t so sure herself.
“Oh they’re just like you or me.” she says. “Except they’re wealthy, beautiful, and live by no recognizable moral code.”
The tweebs on the other hand plan on selling everything Heather touches online for some quick cash. Kim mentions that have to go to school. Heather tells everyone that she didn’t go to school; she had tutors. Ron asks Quinn if he went to school. “Whatever.” is his response.
Meanwhile, SSJ is being punished (he has to watch the pool robot clean the pool.) Instead, he reads the trade paper and sees that a Kim Possible movie is being made. Thinking that it should be his big break into show business, SSJ hopes to get cast in the movie.
(Fade to black) FIRST COMMERCIAL
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Post by J2 on Sept 30, 2005 20:23:25 GMT -5
BACK FROM COMMERCIAL
Kim tells Heather that they’ll need to blend in as regular students.
“My greatest acting challenge ever.” says Heather.
“Whatever.” says Quinn.
“Come on, man!” yells Ron. “Ron it up!”
Next, Mr. Barkin is teaching “A Tale Of Two Cities.” When asked about it, Kim blames her mission in New Zealand for not reading it. Heather hold her hand up.
“I was in a made for tv version of “A Christmas Carol.” she answers. “Which isn’t the book that you’re talking about. But I think that Dickens guy was involved. He may have been like a producer or something?”
Bonnie and Monique recognize Heather. Kim and Heather run away from her fans. The fans being the MHS cheerleaders, and Monique. Kim uses her grappling hook to get away.
“So not the drama.” says Heather.
“Um . . . Right.” says Kim.
Meanwhile, Quinn’s “Whatever.” attitude is spreading. Ron becomes disgruntled.
“I will not rest until you find you’re inner Ron.” he says.
Next scene, Heather is trying to think like Kim, and decides their next move should be the mall. Meanwhile, Bonnie talks to Monique at Club Banana. Monique hopes to lure Kim with a new color of Capri pants. Sure enough, Kim and Heather show up.
“Hi Kim!” says Bonnie hamming it up. “You know, I feel like we hardly get to hang out. Just us girls.”
Kim, Bonnie, Heather, and Monique are next seen at the coffee shop talking about boys and teeth whitening. It seems that Heather can do anything with all the money she has.
“She’s good.” says Monique to Kim.
“Yeah.” says Kim jealous with that high competition side of her growing. “Little miss perfect.”
Meanwhile, Ron takes Quinn to Bueno Nacho, ordered everything grande sized, to teach him the path to Ron-hood. Ron even forbids Rufus to eat any of it.
“Sorry Rufus.” says Ron. “This snackage is not for eating; it’s for teaching.”
Quinn takes a bite out of a naco . . .
“Whatever.”
Meanwhile, SSJ is in Hollywood with a giant mech robot passing out flyers.
“Wait.” says Senior. “It says here you know how to fence? This I did not know.”
“Teensy white lie, Father.” says SSJ.
SSJ crashes his mech through the roof of a trendy Hollywood restaurant where Mr. Blandhammer is looking at a menu. He catches one of Junior’s flyers.
“Well, well. What have we here?” says Mr. Blandhammer. “Special skills. Fencing?! Liar!
Mr. Blandhammer crumples the flyer up. Junior is so upset that he crashes the mech backwards into another building.
Meanwhile, Mr. And Mrs. Possible wonder where everything is disappearing to. Mr. Possible’s notices the soda that he hasn’t finished yet is missing.
“Told ya our Heather memorabilia would sell out fast.” says Jim working on the computer.
“Print me out another certificate of authenticity.” says Tim. “This time for half a can of Heather’s favorite diet soda.”
Meanwhile, Kim and Monique are talking on the bleachers at school.
“This Heather is Kim thing is bordering on weird.” says Kim.
“Girl. It crossed the border days ago.” says Monique. “She told me she’s been using your toothbrush at home.”
Monique cheers Kim up by telling her Kim has her beat at cheerleading. Kim is uplifted until she sees Bonnie ask Heather to lead the practice.
“Please and thank you.” says Heather.
When Kim confronts them, Bonnie explains that Heather trains with the hottest yoga instructors in Los Angeles.
“It’s no bi . . .” says Heather.
“Big!” yells Kim as she storms off. “I know!” Meanwhile, Mr. Blandhammer is interrupted at work by SSJ appearing on his television. Junior demands being cast as the villain in the upcoming movie. To convince him, Junior performs an emotional scene from the martial arts classic, “Fists Of Pain.” A few fake kung fu moves from Junior and Mr. Blandhammer turns him off. Junior breaks down emotionally while Senior consoles him.
FADE TO BLACK COMMERCIAL BREAK
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Post by J2 on Sept 30, 2005 20:52:46 GMT -5
BACK FROM COMMERCIAL
Mr. Blandhammer gets a call on his micro sized implanted cell phone in his head. It’s Heather telling him she’s ready.
“And Quinn?” Mr. Blandhammer asks.
“Whatever.”
“Wow!” says Mr. Blandhammer. “He is a chameleon.”
Next scene, Heather and Quinn are starting to shoot on a Middleton High set. They are interrupted by SSJ and some of his henchmen. SSJ demands to be put into the movie and threatens him with a weird looking gun. Meanwhile, Kim and Ron are sharing some nachos at BN. Neither one are happy.
“The whole thing of a Kim Possible movie.” says Kim.
“Holly-weird if you ask me.” says Ron.
Both are glad it’s over with, until Wade calls them up. Meanwhile, Mr. Blandhammer is standing up to Junior. Junior doesn’t intend to threaten Mr. Blandhammer. He instead threatens Mr. Blandhammer’s PDA. Now Mr. Blandhammer panics. He asks “movie Kim” and “movie Ron” for assistance. Heather does a jump kick, but is stopped by the stunt wires holding her. Quinn goes after Junior, until he points his gun at Quinn. Quinn dives and hides under the covers that replicates Kim’s bed. Then Mr. Blandhammer tells CGI Rufus to attack. A nearby monitor shows Rufus wearing purple pants, a yellow shirt, and a baseball cap backwards hitting Junior. Junior walks over to see a man in a CGI movement suit in front of a green screen doing attack moves.
“Very entertaining.” says Junior chuckling. “But isn’t the mole rat usually naked?”
“Hey hey!” says Mr. Blandhammer. “It’s a family action picture!”
Junior makes his demand once more. Mr. Blandhammer gets legal on his cell phone. Kim and Ron burst through the fake Middleton High set. Mr. Blandhammer knocks the gun out of Junior’s hand. They both dive for it. Kim and Ron take out the henchmen. This impresses Quinn. Junior gets the gun and points it at Kim and Ron. Quinn jumps in front of Junior and jump kicks it out of his hand.
“Booya!” he yells.
“He’s a natural.” says Ron.
Junior runs away. Heather thanks Kim for saving the day. And Ron thinks Quinn will be an excellent Ron. Mr. Blandhammer comes in and tells them they’re shutting down production for his next big picture idea: Monkey Ninja In Space!
“Been there.” says Kim.
“Done that.” says Ron.
Meanwhile sunbathing at home, Junior congratulates himself for getting a piece of Hollywood memorabilia: a guest towel and half a can of diet soda used by Heather.
FADE TO BLACK ROLL CREDITS
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Post by J2 on Sept 30, 2005 21:18:27 GMT -5
I might as well continue. Shippy moments are few in this episode. We see at the beginning that Ron is still thinking about other girls at school. And we do have a few quick shippy glances to each other at Mr. Blandhammer tells them about his Kim Possible movie idea.
However, a huge opportunity is lost here. Instead of being just an escort mission for Hollywood celebrities, a scene could have played out.
Heather: So what's the deal between you and Ron?
Kim: Well, we're best friends. Have been since Pre-K. Why?
Heather: I'm wondering if the movie should have any romance.
Something like this could have opened whatever feelings Kim and Ron have for each other. (not much, just a little) But it seems the Bueno Nacho scene with Kim and Ron was just begging for it. Perhaps this was an idea, but was intentionally left out.
Anyways, it's a fun little episode that seems to poke fun at itself. As we all should know, And The Molerat Will Be CGI is a reference to The Secret Files with a 3D Rufus in between episodes. And one more thing: we see Ron becoming more and more of the capable sidekick with each passing show.
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Post by erasedpaper on Sept 30, 2005 21:18:51 GMT -5
I just wanted to say that after DT is actually Overdue/Roachie, then CGI, followed by Rappin', GF, TI and finally the movie.
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Post by Forlong on Oct 1, 2005 10:08:40 GMT -5
I just wanted to say that after DT is actually Overdue/Roachie, then CGI, followed by Rappin', GF, TI and finally the movie. Dude, we're following production.
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Post by cloudmonet on Oct 1, 2005 10:26:33 GMT -5
EP's order isn't airing order, because CGI hasn't aired. My production order came from March, and it goes Dimension Twist, Molerat, Gorilla Fist, Overdue/Roachie, Rappin' Drakken, Team Impossible, So the Drama. More recently, EP's posted a production order at ARA that's variant. I don't know if the March order was in error, or if it represents what they thought production order was before the productions were all produced-- I know they were finished by then, but the "March" list may be older than that. I've even seen an older list than that that's wildly different. "Steal Wheels" is always first, and "Team Impossible" is always last, but beyond that...
Oh great! Different production sequences, and the director says these are actually supposed to be parts of a bigger story.
So Erased Paper says the production order is Dimension Twist, Overdue/Roachie, Molerat, Rappin' Drakken, Gorilla Fist, Team Impossible, So the Drama.
Let me try that one on and see how it fits. I like putting "Overdue/Roachie" earlier. It makes Ron's "She's not my girlfriend!" remark seem less random to have it before "Gorilla Fist." And it fits pretty well with Ron's "attract the ladies" bit from "Molerat."
What a difference one episode can make! This is the only time Ron's worried about attracting ladies in season three, and the way he's reported to react to Kim suggests this isn't okay anymore.
So far, so good.
I found the constant togetherness of "Rappin' Drakken" and "Team Impossible" to be a nice explanation of how we get from Kim jealing on Ron in "Gorilla Fist" to Kim apparently not attracted to Ron in the first act of "So the Drama," that is, Kim doesn't want to let Ron out of her sight because of Yori (and possible others), but being around him this much brings up all the reasons she doesn't want him for a boyfriend. "Rappin' Drakken" before "Gorilla Fist" makes this somewhat more abrupt, but on the other hand, if Kim already wants to hang out with Ron this much, Yori's that much more to jeal about.
In "Team Impossible" and the first act of "So the Drama," Kim and Ron aren't getting along that well, largely because (I think) Kim's fed up with 1) Ron not responding to her hints, that is his blindness to all things romantic, and 2) His childishness. Kim's frustrated and wanting a good excuse to look elsewhere when Bonnie gives her one. Not that any of this is exactly conscious on Kim's part.
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It seems to me if I had "Molerat" in front of me, I could probably find bits of shippiness in the cracks (the concrete ice cream cone "ladies" bit may have interesting facial details, for example)-- or maybe even lots of shippiness. Whenever they finally air this in America, I'll go over it again. At least I have a better idea what's missing.
And Junior's actually a halfway competent villain with henchmen? That's a surprise!
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Post by cloudmonet on Oct 1, 2005 10:58:18 GMT -5
The Toon Disney Marathon on September 26 seems to indicate they go in this order:
Steal Wheels, Emotion Sickness, Bonding, Bad Boy, Dimension Twist, Overdue/Roachie, Rappin Drakken, Team Impossible.
This is compatable with both my list and EP's. Until they play a marathon (or other sequential airing) that includes "Molerat" and "Gorilla Fist," I don't think we'll know for sure.
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tvnow.com seems to agree with Erased Paper. The episode list page didn't want to load on my browser-- everything was on top of everything else, but by selecting all, pasting, and rearranging to production order, I come up with EP's list. Apparently "So the Drama" is 305-307, which agrees with what Steve Loter said about finishing the movie while working on Dimension Twist, but it's supposed to be last. Subtract 3 from 308-312, and the numbers will all make sense.
301: Steal Wheels 9/25/2004 302: Emotion Sickness 10/15/2004 303: Bonding 10/22/2004 304: Bad Boy 1/14/2005 308: Dimension Twist 4/1/2005 309a: Overdue 4/15/2005 309b: Roachie 4/15/2005 310: And the Molerat Will Be CGI 0/0/0 311: Rappin' Drakken 6/25/2005 312: Gorilla Fist 0/0/0 310: Team Impossible 8/26/2005
So I guess when we're through with "Molerat," we should do "Overdue."
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Post by ninjanaco on Oct 1, 2005 13:35:48 GMT -5
<insert profound K/R observations about "And the Molerat Will Be CGI" here> There. That's how to handle the issue.
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Post by taechunsa on Oct 1, 2005 17:23:36 GMT -5
I have seen CGI and I think that the production order that Erased posted and the one at tvnow.com makes the most sense from a Kim/Ron standpoint.
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Post by Forlong on Oct 1, 2005 18:27:15 GMT -5
Well, we're already one "Molerat". And no one has suplied a link to a website that confirms EP's claim. So, sadly, I'll have to say we should get "Molerat" out of the way first. You can put the episodes in any order you want, but since most evidance says that "Molerat" is before "Overdue" in production, I say we finish it. We can come back to it later.
Anyway...
My thoughts. Okay, I just saw this on my computer file. I'm working on setting it so that you guys can upload it too. I'd say that it's a shippy episode. 1: Kim and Ron express incredible teamwork. It's a lot like what I saw in Rufus in Show and Ron Millioniare. If you want to see Ron seriously kick butt, you won't be disappointed. 2: As was mentioned before, what isn't said is more shippy than what is. The fact that Kim and Ron don't point out that they're "just friends", is a hint that they don't care if people come to that conclution. And don't guy/girl action teams always end up together in action movies? 3: Kim and Ron don't seem so bummed that Heather and Quinn will cut into their regular togetherness. They've come to grips that they don't need to spend every waking moment together. Yes. I do see that as shippy. 4: Ron let's Kim complain about Heather first, and only complains about Quinn to help bring her spirits up.
Dispite the fact that Kim and Ron are apart thoughout most of this episode, it's quite shippy. To bad the movie was canceled.
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Post by Forlong on Oct 1, 2005 19:39:02 GMT -5
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