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Post by Forlong on Sept 9, 2005 12:52:30 GMT -5
Who are the biggest K/R shippers on the show?
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Post by molonuk on Sept 9, 2005 13:41:49 GMT -5
Monique I'd say, no question
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 9, 2005 13:46:27 GMT -5
1. Mrs. Dr. Possible. Evidence: "Emotion Sickness," remark to Ron, "We're just tickled pink about you and Kimmie. "So the Drama," direct encouragement of Kim to go to the prom with Ron over the phone, "I don't see what the problem is, he's a very nice guy," and presenting arguments that he may, indeed, be boyfriend material; also sad look at photo of Kim and Ron together when Erik picks her up for the prom.
Counter-evidence: none that I can think of.
2. Monique. Evidence, questionable. Monique's advice seems tilted toward whatever she thinks would make Kim happier. If this involves shipping Ron, if that's what her "TGI" advice in "Steal Wheels" means, she'll do it. If it means shipping Erik, as in getting rid of Bonnie, who seems to be trying to discourage Erik about his prospects with Kim in the "So the Drama" dressing room scene, she'll do that. At the prom, she discourages Kim from taking Wade's call, urging her to focus on romance with Erik; and later, she sighs with romantic empathy while Kim and Ron are dancing. All I can say is, she seems to want to see Kim happily hooked up with someone nice (unless it's the guy she wants herself, Hirotaka). At best she's a wishy-washy K/R shipper.
3. Bonnie may want to see Kim and Ron together because she thinks this will humiliate Kim. In "Emotion Sickness," Kim crushing on Ron is "just too weird to contemplate." In "So the Drama," is she urging Kim to go to the prom with anyone but Ron, or taunting her that all the good guys are taken? When Erik expresses interest in Kim, Bonnie's pushing Ron. When Kim has Ron, and everyone else isn't laughing, Bonnie's bummed. Conclusion: she just wants to see Kim unhappy, whatever this means.
4. Everyone else at the dance all applaud when Kim and Ron appear holding hands, and Bonnie says they're dating. Most of these people are high school regulars, but not named characters. They know Ron roused Kim against the diablo menace, and think he's cool for this, at least. We don't know how long any of them might have been K/R shippers, or just simply belived Kim and Ron were dating for some time now, just because they looked like they were.
5. Drakken Well, for whatever it's worth, he pulled them together under the faux mistletoe in "A Very Possible Christmas." Other than that, he's more interested in destroying Kim, or at least humiliating her, than fixing her up with anyone.
6. Mr. Dr. Possible seems amenable to the idea of Ron being Kim's boyfriend in "Emotion Sickness," and rather than the "don't try to go too far with my daughter" caution you might expect (given what he tells the other guys), he cautions Ron not to disappoint her or make her unhappy. Before this episode, he seems to buy what Kim tells him-- "It's not about a guy, it's about Ron!" and be as oblivious as Jabberwocky to any signs of potential romance between the two. In "So the Drama," offered a chance to express an opinion, he passes.
7. Jim and Tim, the tweebs seem to jump to the conclusion that any boy (except Ron) mentioned in the same paragraph with Kim is potential boyfriend material bearing cooties. See "Motor Ed," for examples. For whatever reason, whether because Ron's their friend, or whether they're sure he'll never be Kim's boyfriend, Ron never gets this treatment. It would have been so interesting to see them react to the "Emotion Sickness" date, dress, whatever, but they're not on the scene. Why not, I wonder. Maybe their absence means they're K/R shippers. If they weren't, they'd pop up with the usual taunts and mock kissing gestures. It's a weak case, though.
8. Felix? I can't think of any evidence either way. In both the episodes he appears in, Kim is acting more like Ron's girlfriend than usual. Don't know what he usually sees or thinks.
9. The Other Cheerleaders vary from thinking Ron's a loser, like Bonnie, to thinking he's a nice guy and sort of a hero ("Sink or Swim" may be the strongest example of this.) None of them say anything contra to Bonnie's date-a-team-captain assertions in "So the Drama," not even Tara, who for awhile dated Josh Mankey.
10. Either of Ron's parents? No evidence.
Anyone beyond this is pure speculation. Yeah, probably, but we don't know who or why.
So who's a K/R shipper? Definitely Kim's Mom, big time. Maybe the tweebs. Monique wants Kim to be happy. If this means Ron, it's fine with her, but I can't say she's consistent, even over the course of a single dance. Some other students and the janitor think it's a good idea by the time Kim and Ron show up together at the prom. How long they may have held this opinion is unknown, and probably varies from person to person.
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Post by senther on Sept 9, 2005 13:50:08 GMT -5
Dr Mrs P for sure
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Post by molonuk on Sept 9, 2005 14:00:06 GMT -5
Wow...Cloudmonet just changed my mind. I forgot about Mrs Dr P, she's definately number one I think.
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Post by aliciamartin on Sept 9, 2005 14:29:40 GMT -5
i say Monique all the way
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Post by MtnRon on Sept 9, 2005 14:36:07 GMT -5
Defiantely Mrs. Dr. P.
I'd also add to what Cloudmonet said with the conversation Mrs. Dr. P had with Kim in ASIT about missing Ron a lot and how distance couldn't come between them.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 9, 2005 14:51:24 GMT -5
Let's give some indication why we think what we do. I'm not nearly as sure about Monique being a K/R shipper as most of you. Try to convince me. I may have overlooked some details.
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Post by eowyn on Sept 9, 2005 16:17:06 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as sure about Monique being a K/R shipper as most of you. Agree with you 100% on Monique, had the same scene you mentioned in mind as to why she is not a K/R shipper. Bonnie was trying to sabotage Kim's chances with Eric before Monique waylaid her. For her, it strikes me that she's like StD Kim. As in "Nothing's wrong with Ron" until an interested hottie actually shows up, and she switches to "Kick Ron to the curb". But Mrs. Dr Possible seems to be a huge fan. Besides all the wistul look she gives the K/R photo, she out and out told Kim that it was better to be at the prom with Ron and gave Kim the "he's nice, and you're being stupid" speech. The pizza dinnerdiscussion with Ron, her hardly-ringing endorsement of Eric... We know Mom is the #1 shipper on the show. J & T with seem to be a pair as well. They've shown repeatedly that they're on very good terms with Ron, and seem to materizalize out of nowhere to interfere with Kim's Blush date (though doing nothing of the sort in Emotion Sickness).
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Post by blak on Sept 9, 2005 16:42:33 GMT -5
Shego in ASIT (Future)
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Post by Lady Naomi on Sept 9, 2005 17:41:19 GMT -5
I say hands down Mrs. Dr. P is the bigest shipper. Did you guys forget our poor Rufus? I say for him to be a strong 2nd
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Post by senther on Sept 9, 2005 17:43:46 GMT -5
I never thought about it, but yeah, Shego a little bit too (aside from the Blush comment) In particular, I think of Overdue "Where's Possible?" "She's not my girlfriend!" "Woah there, never said she was" Seems to me she grinned a little at that
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Post by GnuHopper on Sept 9, 2005 17:49:26 GMT -5
Gotta say Rufus. The little guy's final nudging of Kim and Ron to dance together, couple with his sighing alongside Monique. I'm sure there's lots more, but that's what leaps to mind at the moment.
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Post by eowyn on Sept 9, 2005 22:27:37 GMT -5
I say hands down Mrs. Dr. P is the bigest shipper. Did you guys forget our poor Rufus? I say for him to be a strong 2nd Excellent point/
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 9, 2005 22:38:26 GMT -5
Humongous DUH for the cloud! Rufus is such a K/R shipper, second only to Mrs. Dr. Possible! If any girl but Kim hugs or kisses Ron, even Yori, who Rufus otherwise really likes, Rufus gets attitude problems, makes faces, and gives raspberries, but he pushes Kim and Ron closer together when they're already holding hands!
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Additional thoughts about Monique: Yeah, would a true K/R shipper ever say "I just went from 'so' to 'whoa!' " at the mere sight of Erik?
On the other hand, Monique doesn't have any problems with Ron becoming Kim's boyfriend, and seems quite moved by watching them dance. "Wow, now that's love," she seems to be thinking.
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Sept 9, 2005 23:08:23 GMT -5
definently Mrs. Dr. P. for sure and rufus, we all know -grin- but I also luff the thoughts about Drakken being a K/R shipper *lmfao* .. yeayea, the whole mistletoe thing (but then again in may have been the whole holiday cheery moment thing). In StD, Drakken's plan is to basically get Kim distracted by boys. Not sure if he realized the obvious Ron Factor there.. but ti was all because of Drakken's plan with Erik that really forced KP and Ron together Go Drakken!!!
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 10, 2005 0:28:01 GMT -5
If Drakken hadn't inserted Erik between Kim and Ron-- We did a whole thread about that awhile ago-- Ron would have been at the prom with Kim, maybe as her date, maybe as her friend-date, who knows, but he wouldn't have been at Bueno Nacho discovering the plot. On the other hand, Kim would have listened to him sooner about his Bueno Nacho concerns and may have discovered something.
If Drakken had only thought to tie Kim and Ron up in separate rooms, he'd be ruling the world now with his evil robots, unless maybe someone else figured a way to unplug his signal tower. But he always overlooked Ron.
It's kinda hard to be a K/R shipper if you can't even remember Ron's name unless (1) you think he's a project phoebus genius or (2) you just stole nearly 99 million dollars from him, or (3) he just tripped you on a rainy roof and threatened to punch you out.
Drakken did do a lot to get Kim and Ron together in "So the Drama," but this was an unintentional result that proved devastating to his own interests. Do I believe in Freudian shipping? Ummm....
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Post by AgHorizonFilm on Sept 10, 2005 15:35:48 GMT -5
They would have gotten together some how. (optimist)
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Sept 10, 2005 16:09:51 GMT -5
yea.. i figured it was unintensional.. but still, hilarious to think about =3
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Post by ninjanaco on Sept 10, 2005 17:54:20 GMT -5
5. Drakken Well, for whatever it's worth, he pulled them together under the faux mistletoe in "A Very Possible Christmas." Other than that, he's more interested in destroying Kim, or at least humiliating her, than fixing her up with anyone. Actually, that scene nonwithstanding, I'd say that by StD he's an "extremist anti," as in he doesn't just not want Kim and Ron to become a couple, he doesn't want together as a team, period. (Remember why Shego succeeded in ASiT?) This, I think, is one of Eric's primary missions, to break up (and thus dissolve) Team Possible. Which is ironic, as Drakken's plan to keep Kim and Ron apart, in the end, manages to bring them closer together than ever.
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