K/R shippers on the show

[cloudmonet]

Maybe... but I think Ron is Drakken's biggest blind spot, usually.

I'm not sure what this proves, but Kim was already dating Erik when Drakken kidnapped her dad. Drakken left a holographic taunt for Kim and her sidekick, "You know who you are." Doesn't sound like he expected Erik to break up the team, at least. Don't know what effect the taunt would have had on Kim if the team had broken up and she'd come alone. Probably would have made her want to include Ron.

And then, after apparently defeating them with Shego and Erik, they're tied up in the same room, and worst of all, Rufus is unaccounted for.

It seems like the purpose is distracting and confusing Kim, using romance and betrayal as weapons against her. We don't know quite how Drakken's plan would have worked if Ron hadn't freaked over the lack of bendy straws and called him. I'm guessing something like, on the way home from the prom, Erik gives Kim an electroshock hug and takes her prisoner. Otherwise, Kim's free to take action, a bit harder with evil robots rampaging everywhere, but still possible.

[ninjanaco]

cloudmonet said:

Maybe... but I think Ron is Drakken's biggest blind spot, usually.

I'm not sure what this proves, but Kim was already dating Erik when Drakken kidnapped her dad. Drakken left a holographic taunt for Kim and her sidekick, "You know who you are." Doesn't sound like he expected Erik to break up the team, at least.

I'd disagree. IMHO, he knows who Ron is, just not Ron's name... that's happened to me (I know who I'm talking about, and a little about them, but I can't remember the name), though definietly not to the degree that Drakken forgets Ron's name. Drakken knows who Ron is - remember how he ordered mind-controlled Kim to specifically get him? And that in StD, as soon as Eric sees Kim, he gets in Ron's way. (As our favorite Stoppable said so eloquently "Spot: mine, you: in it!")

But that StD stuff might be getting off topic.

[cloudmonet]

Yes, Drakken knows who Ron is, but doesn't usually appreciate his importance ("The buffoon is nothing, get Kim Possible.") even when the buffoon causes his downfall time after time (starting with the laser drill in "Bueno Nacho.")

Not sure there's too much more to say on topic, at least dead center.
Most important K/R shippers, Mrs. Dr. Possible and Rufus, Monique kinda fickle about it, at least before the last dance, who knows what Drakken was thinking that Christmas, but not otherwise, at least not by design, Bonnie, only if it humiliates Kim, everyone else, uncertain, before the last scene of "So the Drama." Anything we've missed?

[El Bissop]

After watching Emotion Sickness due to the discussion on the "Revaluations of K/R" thread, I noticed that near the end Drakken just kind of automatically assumes Ron and Kim are a couple ("a scorned woman. The perfect weapon!"). I don't think he realized Kim was crushing on Ron due to the moodulators either, because he hadn't yet connected Shego's behavior to them. Couple that with the whole mistletoe thing, and I think you've got a (somewhat flimsy, but still...) basis for concluding that Drakken at least knows Kim and Ron have romantic potential together. Whether he actually cares one way or another is another thing entirely.

I also noticed that, when Mr. Dr. P sees Kim's "date dress", instead of going slightly postal like you might assume he would based on his past statements about "boys", he just raises his eyebrow for a second then resets Ron's jaw with a smile. So, I'd say put him in with the pro-shippers, black hole talk aside.

[cloudmonet]

Um, yeah, after analysing Emotion Sickness in relentless detail, I'll put Mr. Dr. Possible in the "K/R Shipper" column, but not really strongly. What do his remarks mean, anyway? Why does he always pass Kim's questions re boys to Mom? Did she tell him to?

It's fascinating how all the boys/young men here, and some of the young females, too, make so much of Dad's "No boys, ever," etc, remarks from "Monkey Ninjas in Space," even though there's no trace of enforcing this seen anywhere else! Things look different from the perspective of dealing with an "other's" father, versus actually being a father (as I am).

Dad's remark about sending Ron to a black hole (and by the way, there aren't any within many light years of our solar system, and no actual probes that can get to the nearest one in less than hundreds of thousands of years, probably millions. KP's tech is more advanced than ours, but rocket tech doesn't seem so much more advanced. It's an empty threat.)

Where was I? Yes, Dad threatened black holish harm to Ron under what condition?
1) Keeping my daughter out too late? No...
2) Getting too cuddly with her? No...
Okay, maybe you could argue he doesn't specify any no-nos of this sort to keep the G rating, but I'd counter argue that there are G-rated ways to indicate something of the sort and none are made.
3) Not making her happy, making her unhappy, disappointing her, giving her heartbreak? Bingo! Yes! This is what Ron's supposed to avoid doing.

Have you ever heard such a thing from a girl's parent? I haven't, but this is what Dad says, a harsher way of reinforcing Mom's "We want Kimmie to be happy."

For a parent to say anything like this, I must guess they must be thinking something like, "We know you. We approve of you as a match for our daughter. We want her to be happy. Don't let us down." Not something we hear them say about any other guy.

When Dad talks to Erik, he defuses him with curfew talk, which is clearly what Dad wants to hear. Much more normal parent stuff.

But how seriously are we to take what Erik says Kim tells him about her curfew being "11 for special occasions and rescue missions," when we see her coming home after dawn at the beginning of the movie? Or, what? It was before 11 PM in Japan?! It's always before 11 PM somewhere in the world.

What's Dad gonna tell Kim and Ron when they get home from the mission, at at least 1:30 AM is what I figure? "Good job saving the world, that's my girl!"-- just like the start of the movie. Dad just had some personal experience with the diablo robots menace. What else would he say? Like he'd want Kim to leave the battle and come home before she's won because of a curfew?! Get real. That's absurd.

And the dance? If Dad was still awake between mission and prom, he must have granted them permission to go back.

And what would he say about Ron being the new beau, again? My first guess is absolutely nothing. Mom almost certainly told Dad something like, "Shut up, you scared Ron off last time things got this far, and Ron's the boy I want to see with Kim. He'll make her happy, and no one else could possibly be more loyal to her."

At most Mom will have a little talk with Kim in private about how she expects her to behave, knowing quite well that Ron won't do anything Kim doesn't consent to.

[jmt2005791]

wow a deep question. i believe it is mrs. P for she does give lot of advice and thing towards ron to kim. the only thing i wonder is why has kim never learned her lesson about the speakerphone.