Genealogy of KP characters...

[Forlong]

Ron's Jewish but where did his ancestors come from? What about Kim?
Here's what I think:
Kim: half British (dad), one quarter Italian (mom), one quarter Irish (mom).

Ron: Jewish-half Nacospeak (dad), half Dutch (mom).

What do you think? And what about other KP characters?

[A-Rad]

Drakken:Half Amrica{mom} Half new Jersey{coson} I think....

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zaphodbeeblebrox said:

Drakken:Half Amrica{mom} Half new Jersey{coson} I think....

I'm not sure if you understand. I mean origanal oragins of ancestors. Like if Drakken has British blood in his vians. The only people that can call themselves Americans by blood, are the Native Americans.

[A-Rad]

forlong said:

zaphodbeeblebrox said:

Drakken:Half Amrica{mom} Half new Jersey{coson} I think....

I'm not sure if you understand. I mean origanal oragins of ancestors. Like if Drakken has British blood in his vians. The only people that can call themselves Americans by blood, are the Native Americans.

Ohhh Sorry man.....

[GnuHopper]

I'm pretty sure that Kim is a member of the Wold Newton family, although I've yet to determine which branch.

GH

[AgHorizonFilm]

The red hair theory might be getting somewhere.

[drakkenfan]

Kim has to have some scottish and irish in her, to have red hair like that.

[Forlong]

Also, the round head is very Italian.

[kimmyfan48]

Tara- Probably is full-American. I really do not hear any other culture in her.

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kimmyfan48 said:

Tara- Probably is full-American. I really do not hear any other culture in her.

Not culture, geans. I mean where do her geans originate.

Here's another one:
Drakken: one quarter English (dad), one quarter Nacospeak (dad), half Jewish-Dutch (mom).
I also think that he has a half sister...

[cloudmonet]

Okay, let's see. We know from "Christmas" that Zinn Possible was with Washington during the revolution, so the Possibles (in the male line) were ultimately English, probably with some Deutsch-American mixed in by modern times, but they don't seem very "ethnic." Mrs. Dr. Possible obviously has Irish roots (so does my own red-haired lass) but that doesn't necessarily mean still Catholic. Italian? Might explain Kim's darker skin, but there's really no other sign of this. A lot of people from the British Isles have pretty round heads.

Jon Stoppable from 1904 seems pretty non-Jewish and non-ethnic. I don't know if he's a direct ancestor of Ron, or an uncle. (Barkin uses the term "ancestor," for both Jonathan, who might be Ron's great great grandfather, and Mim, who's a distant aunt.) Either way, since Ron's Dad seems Jewish, I assume it's at least his grandfather who first married a Jewish woman, so Ron's probably at least 3/4 Jewish. From where? Northern Europe, to judge from the blondness. Deutschland, or parts to the north.

Tara? Come on, right out of Scandanavia, gotta be, probably by way of a long family sojurn in Wisconsin or Minnesota.

Drakken? Lipsky sounds Polish to me, or Russian, and Mrs. Lipsky would have fit right in with the housewives in the Polish neighborhood of Cleveland I grew up in.

The Go family's a bit harder for me to place. Black hair doesn't suggest much. The pale skin puts them in Northern Europe, I think. They don't quite seem like Anglo-Deutsch. Maybe farther east.

Most of the other characters are pretty obvious. Monique's American black, Lord Fiske is English, Killigan's Scotch, the Seniors are Spanish, Yori's Japanese, Zita's Hispanic, etc.

[Curse]

I just found that info on the name Lipski:

Polish and Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): habitational name for someone from any of various places called Lipie, Lipsk, Lipsko, Lipy, etc., all named with Polish lipa ‘lime tree’

[GnuHopper]

I mentioned the Wold Newton family above, and for those of you who've never heard of it, here goes: the Wold Newton Geneology was first worked out by writer Philip Jose Farmer in his books Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocolyptic Life, two biographies Farmer did of those two famous pulp heroes. Therein Farmer linked Tarzan, Savage, and a whole host of literary characters together via a common family tree. Let me quote directly from the Wold Newton chronicles:

According to noted science fiction writer and genealogist, Philip Jose Farmer, these are the people who are descended from the British noble families and their retainers who were passing the village of Wold Newton in the East Riding of Yorkshire, on Dec. 13, 1795, when a meteorite impacted the ground there. The families, who were travelling in two coaches, were exposed to high levels of ionization. This caused certain mutations in their genetic code. The people in the first coach were John Clayton, the third Duke of Greystoke, and his wife, Alicia, nee Rutherford, sister of the eleventh Baron Tennington; The eleventh Baron, George Edward Rutherford, and his wife, Elizabeth Cavendish; Honore Delagardie and his wife, Philippa Drummond; and Fitzwilliam Darcy and his wife, Elizabeth Bennett. In the second coach were Sir Percy Blakeney, the famous Scarlet Pimpernel, and his second wife, Alice Clarke Raffles; Sir Hugh Drummond, brother of Philippa, and his wife, Georgia Dewhurst; Dr. Siger Holmes and his wife, Violet Clarke Raffles, the sister of Alice. A friend of Dr. Holmes', a young medical student by the name of Sebastion Noel, was following on horseback. Also present were four coachmen, Louis Lupin, Albert Lecoq, Arthur Blake and Simon MacNichols.

These families intermarried in the following generations, reinforcing the mutated gene and eventually producing what Farmer calls a "nova of genetic splendor, this outburst of great detectives, scientists, and explorers of exotic worlds, this last efflorescence of true heroes in an otherwise degenerate age." The inheritors of this gene include: Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, Doc Savage and his aide, Monk Mayfair, Nero Wolfe, James Bond, Bulldog Drummond, the Shadow, G-8, the Spider, Captain Midnite, Flash Gordon, Travis McGee, Lew Archer, Lord Peter Wimsey, Philip Marlowe, Sam Spade, Kinsey Milhone, Mack Bolan, Professor Challenger, Richard Hannay, Denis Nayland Smith, C.Auguste Dupin, Kickaha, Sam Spade, Charlie Chan, and John Shaft.

As the documents exploring these families show, this family also produced it's share of bad apples, men and women who excelled at evil just as well as others did at good, such as Fu Manchu, Professor Moriarty, Carl Peterson, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

For more details, see The Wold Newton Chronicles.

As superior physical and mental ability, coupled with a strong commitment to social justice, characterizes the members of the Wold Newton family, it seems likely to me that Kim and the rest of the Possibles belong to it at some point. This is supported by the fact that Kim's abilities do seem to be hereditary -- grandmother Nana Possible was a very impressive woman (aviatrix, martial artist, underwater demolitions expert) and Great-Aunt Miriam Possible was an accomplished journalist. And it's obvious that the superior physical ability and love of adventure has also been passed down to Kim's paternal cousin Joss. Meanwhile, the male side of the family evidence superior *mental* ability -- Dad's a rocket scientist, the twins are budding geniuses, and even Uncle Slim invents robot horses and launches satellites.

Now, exactly how the Possibles are related to the Wold/Newton crowd is a little hard to figure. Discounting Miriam, my guess would be Nana (whose first and maiden names we never learn) is a daughter of a Wold Newton member. Considering she was likely born between 1930 and 1940, a number of well-known Wold Newton members were active during that period and would be excellent candidates for her parent(s).

I need to consider the matter a little more before I theorize just what famous ancestors Kim likely has. But I welcome any thoughts by others as to the connection between Kim and history's most famous extended family.

GH

[scaramanga]

Many famous pulp fiction characters come from the Wold Newton Family like Doc Savage, The Shadow, Tarzan, and James BOnd.

So kim could be related to James Bond. ;D

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cursexx said:

I just found that info on the name Lipski:

Polish and Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): habitational name for someone from any of various places called Lipie, Lipsk, Lipsko, Lipy, etc., all named with Polish lipa ‘lime tree’

So, if Drakken is Jewish and Ron is Jewish, and they both look and act a bit alike...

[GnuHopper]

Wold-Newton continued:

Okay, I’ve finished my theory as to how the Possible family fits into the Wold Newton Chronicles:

In the first three decades of the 20th century a man named Edward Stratemeyer launched a publishing business that chronicled the adventures of a number of young heros, including the Bobbsy Twins, the Hardy Boys, and…Nancy Drew and Tom Swift.

Now, in literature characters like these remain forever young. But in the Wold Newton Universe, they eventually age and die like normal mortals. The discrepancy is usually explained by Wold Newton chroniclers that after the popularity of their initially published adventures, characters like these are “kept alive” by the commission of fictional stories based on the lives of these remarkable people. So while they go forward with their lives, their fictional counterparts remain teens.

So it was that in the “real world” while their literary avatars were still adventuring as teens, both amateur sleuth Nancy Drew, and inventory/adventurer Tom Swift, had both grown into adulthood by the mid-1930’s. Nancy had followed in her father’s footsteps and became a successful young lawyer, while Swift – once a wealthy young man – had lost his fortune in the Great Depression and had been forced to start over. Marketing his newer inventions had brought him into contact with Nancy has he sought her firms’ assistance with some patent issues, romance bloomed between the two, and by the end of the decade they were married with at least one daughter – a girl who would one day grow up to marry a man named Possible and become Kim’s grandmother, Nancy Swift.

While we know little about Kim’s paternal grandfather, we can see where many of the Drew/Swift characteristics passed along to the modern Possible family. Like Tom, inventive genius manifests itself early in the Possible men (Mr. Dr. Possible often speaks of his childhood love of science, while Jim and Tim are both child prodigies.) OTOH, the women of the family have inherited great-grandmother Nancy’s drive to fight crime, sense of justice, and keen analytical skills – both Kim and her paternal cousin Joss have the family love of adventure.

So when Kim Possible says “I guess my genetics rock” she doesn’t know just how right she is!

GH

[scaramanga]

Yes, but he Wold Newton family has it share of villains like The Devil Doctor Fu Manchu and the French Master Thief Arsenne Lupin.

[Forlong]

So we're all in agreement that Kim is mostly British, deffinately a bit Irish, and possibly (no pun intended) a bit Itallian. Having Itallian blood would explain her skintone and round head.

[zoza]

I think Mr Dr P is British, not sure what Mrs Dr P is, maybe Scandinavian.