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Post by taechunsa on Oct 18, 2005 17:59:40 GMT -5
It is pretty common in fanfictions for people to say that Kim and Ron getting together is so amazing becuase Kim is the head cheerleader (a position associated with extreme popularity) and Ron is a loser.
My question is why do we as the viewers have the impression that Ron is really considered a loser at school?
At this moment the only person that I can ever remember making this comment is Bonnie, and to be completely honest I can't even tell you if or when she even says it.
So, what real evidence do we really have that Ron is considered a loser at school?
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Post by jmt2005791 on Oct 18, 2005 18:06:34 GMT -5
i think its more the way ron perceives himself then the fact he is a loser. i can tell bonnie does in fact call him a loser. it was during her whole OMG their finally dating, she dating that loser ron stoppable thng
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Post by campy on Oct 18, 2005 18:08:50 GMT -5
The D-Hall bullies certainly consider Ron a loser.
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Post by rockas on Oct 18, 2005 18:09:12 GMT -5
Good question ...
As we watch the Kim Possible episodes, we see that Ron is trying hard to catch the attention of people. He ends up doing many thing to get this. Even if he does get the attention, it's only for awhile. Why? Becaue he keeps goofing up and make things worst. Example of this is the episode "Ron Millionaire". Ron invented the Naco and get royalties from it ... Big Royalties ... he could have stayed popular, but he goofed up and use up all the money and got it stolen by Drakken eventually. That's why he's labelled a "Loser" because he can never keep his popularity stable and always goofing around.
But I don't think Ron is a loser. I think, he actually has the potential. But he just can't handle it without help. In The Truth Hurts, Ron became cool for stopping Mr. Barkin continueing a lesson with a boring book by just telling the truth. He did this with the help of the "Truth Ray". So see, Ron has the potential to be Cool, he just needs help from something or someone ...
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Post by jmt2005791 on Oct 18, 2005 18:12:03 GMT -5
in full agreement here
i don't think he is a loser either.
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Post by bigpenguin on Oct 18, 2005 18:28:48 GMT -5
Putting myself in the shoes of a student at Ron's school, I might think Ron is a loser because:
I don't know him. I think kids have a tendency not to care about one another if they are not friends with them. So if Bonnie were to call Ron a "loser", I might think that is funny and join in or just not care. Either way, I'm showing my lack of concern for others.
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Post by taechunsa on Oct 18, 2005 19:15:43 GMT -5
Okay, just to clarify. I do not think that Ron is a loser either, and I am not saying that he is.
What I am asking is if there is much indication in the show that Ron is really considered a loser by anyone other than Bonnie. This is mainly in reference to the end of the series.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Oct 18, 2005 19:21:03 GMT -5
Other than bonnie and some of the Dhall kids, I really don't believe Ron to be a loser.
He is best friends with the head cheerleader (At my HS, if you got along with them you were know)
He is the school mascot (also another bonus, people like to meet them)
He has a scooter (there is no mention to if any of the other students drive or have a car at all, there is drivers ed, but thats it)
There is probably more to it, but I can't think of any.
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Post by Azurice on Oct 19, 2005 1:26:57 GMT -5
Heh, if he went to my school he wouldn't be considered a loser. Not really useful to the topic, but I can't think of anyone other than Bonnie and a few of Middleton High's bullies that consider him a loser. I guess it just depends on how he's acting at the time; in Bad Boy Tara and the other cheerleader reacted to his Bad Boy act as if he were a loser, but usually they think he's just funny. I think. ;D  |
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Oct 19, 2005 1:44:03 GMT -5
Ron's just like the rest of us, he makes mistakes, he doesn't get along with everyone and is different from everyone else. So if we call Ron a loser, we're pretty much calling everyone else losers.
But just like everyone else, he has that one person he can depend on, and I dunno about ya'll but I have atleast one person I can always count on. There's a little Ron in all of us.
Is Ron a loser? No. Different? Yes, but being different is never a bad thing.
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Post by Spamwise on Oct 19, 2005 6:41:35 GMT -5
Considering the facts that, like in any other school, there is always that so called "groups." Ron is much more like the other people which was placed on the "loser" category, they are very different from those people who are "higher on the food chain". As seen throughout the episodes, people taunt and tease Ron as a "loser." What is a "loser" anyway? Bonnie also insults Kim as a "loser" but Kim, as we know, is popular and smart. The definition of the word "loser" will only be defined by the person who said it.
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Post by JuPMod on Oct 19, 2005 6:46:58 GMT -5
No one is a loser IMO. We have an *impression* that Ron is considered a loser in HS despite that only Bonnie and the D-Hall bullies call him a loser. - He is not what many in the school might be considered 'normal'. We all have different impressions of what 'normal' is, and I have a feeling he doesn't fit in with most people in HS. - In the 'food chain' status, as Bonnie mentioned, he is on the low end of the chain. Regardless, we all know HS students tend to be divided into social groups, and Ron's way of life, his grades, and his personality surely gives an impression that the students think he is on the low end of the chain regardless he is best friends with Kim. So it's not that he is a loser, it's the impression that he's a loser. His goof-ups, mistakes, low grades, etc. gives that impression. To be honest, in reality, would any cheerleaders be best friends with a person like Ron at the other end of the 'food chain' status? Sadly, I think it would be a very rare occurence, given kids, as they become teens, change friends due to change of personalities, social status, etc.  |
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Post by Spamwise on Oct 19, 2005 6:50:30 GMT -5
No one is a loser IMO. We have an *impression* that Ron is considered a loser in HS despite that only Bonnie and the D-Hall bullies call him a loser. - He is not what many in the school might be considered 'normal'. We all have different impressions of what 'normal' is, and I have a feeling he doesn't fit in with most people in HS. - In the 'food chain' status, as Bonnie mentioned, he is on the low end of the chain. Regardless, we all know HS students tend to be divided into social groups, and Ron's way of life, his grades, and his personality surely gives an impression that the students think he is on the low end of the chain regardless he is best friends with Kim. So it's not that he is a loser, it's the impression that he's a loser. His goof-ups, mistakes, low grades, etc. gives that impression. To be honest, in reality, would any cheerleaders be best friends with a person like Ron at the other end of the 'food chain' status? Sadly, I think it would be a very rare occurence, given kids, as they become teens, change friends due to change of personalities, social status, etc. Totally agree, like I said, What is a "loser" anyway? The definitions of the word "loser" comes from the person who said(tease) it. |
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Post by rockas on Oct 19, 2005 6:53:50 GMT -5
I don't get this "Food-Chain" thing ... It's the thing that labelled Ron a loser! And because of that, alot of other people would feel so stressed up and begin to feel depressed ... This "Food-Chain" is all nonsense to me ... everyone should be Equal!
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Post by jmt2005791 on Oct 19, 2005 10:06:35 GMT -5
i agree with you luqkim. i speak from experience on this topic i was considered a loser in high school. i had about 5-10 friends and the rest of the student body either made fun of me or ignored me completely. unlike ron i never did anything to try and change that.
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Post by Azurice on Oct 19, 2005 10:59:15 GMT -5
i agree with you luqkim. i speak from experience on this topic i was considered a loser in high school. i had about 5-10 friends and the rest of the student body either made fun of me or ignored me completely. unlike ron i never did anything to try and change that. That's like me and probably why I relate to Ron so much.  I've been considered a loser pretty much my entire life because I was different and I never changed or tried to fit in. But this year everyone seemed to have wised up or something, maybe because next year is our last year of highschool and now the "Food Chain" (or our equivalent) no longer exists. Mabe that doesn't happen in KP because it is a cartoon and Ron's loser status may be exaggerated. |
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Post by mrpotty on Oct 19, 2005 11:00:03 GMT -5
We (and everybody on the series who knows him better) know, that he's not a loser, but I'm sure that most of the popular kids think, he is.
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Post by Azurice on Oct 19, 2005 11:04:08 GMT -5
That's because popularity taints your brain! omg.  All I can say is that Ron is definitely not what I'd call a loser. |
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Post by taechunsa on Oct 19, 2005 11:59:40 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder if people actually read my posts. Maybe a larger font will help. ;D I am not calling Ron a loser. I do not think he is a loser. I was looking for examples of if or when characters refer to Ron as a loser.Now maybe we can all get past the "I don't think Ron is a loser" posts. I don't really think that anyone on the boards would consider Ron a loser. I was refering to the characters on the show. As seen throughout the episodes, people taunt and tease Ron as a "loser." Where specifically does this happen? So far the only two actual references have been Bonnie in StD and the bullies in Dhall in season 1. |
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Post by jmt2005791 on Oct 19, 2005 12:04:04 GMT -5
i don't see on the show other then those two times but i do think that how ron sees himself alot of the time which is why he tries to fit in so much..wait that one i don't remember her name girl from the new ron i think might have called him a loser after he returned to his old hairstyle
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...If only I had my pirate utility belt!
I've been considered a loser pretty much my entire life because I was different and I never changed or tried to fit in. But this year everyone seemed to have wised up or something, maybe because next year is our last year of highschool and now the "Food Chain" (or our equivalent) no longer exists. Mabe that doesn't happen in KP because it is a cartoon and Ron's loser status may be exaggerated. 
All I can say is that Ron is definitely not what I'd call a loser.