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Post by taechunsa on Dec 8, 2005 20:58:11 GMT -5
Has anyone else found it odd that Monkey Kung Fu, which originated in China, is taught at a ninja school in Japan?
If Yamanouchi is a ninja school wouldn't they teach ninjitsu? Actually, there is no indication from their moves that anyone at Yamanouchi even practices Monkey Kung Fu.
I just find this odd and wondered if anyone else did.
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Post by surforst on Dec 8, 2005 22:01:21 GMT -5
I have to admit I have too. The fact is that they only seem to be guardians. Nothing more.
They don't teach MMP techniques. They don't posses the power. They mostly just guard the sword. My guess is that is the whole point of the school.
My theory on this is as follows.
The original creator of the Yamanouchi school was one of the last wielders of the MMP still alive. The other members having died off, more then likely due to abuse of the power, and the remaining ones that may still have been a live devoted their lives to hiding the artifacts associated with the MMP. They hid them in various places in order to make sure no one abused the power.
Now the creator of the school traveled to Japan and recruited, or already had, some followers to help him guard the artifact he was in trusted with. The Lotus Blade which due to a vision of his or a prophecy he knew would have to be wielded by the chosen one. A dark future awaited the world if the chosen one did not have the blade and probably a worse fate lay in store if the blade fell into evil hands. That is why he created the school and founded the ninja order to guard the blade and to guide the chosen one when he finally appeared.
Reason why I think this theory works is it is a classic. Something I see the creators using though it may have to be toned down in violence. It involves ancient power, ancient corrupting power, destiny, and good vs evil. Its the classic RPG game we all love.
Anyway that's my best guess behind this. What's your all opinion?
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Post by cloudmonet on Dec 8, 2005 22:49:27 GMT -5
The circa 300 AD date for the founding of the Yamanouchi school is approximately right for an influx of Taoist and Buddhist mystics from China to Japan. I looked this up in the process of trying to decide which religion Yori would probably identify with for her wedding, Shinto or Buddhist. I went with Buddhist on the basis of this cultural/religious influx. I seriously doubt, however, that Bob and Mark bothered themselves much with this much reality...
Even something as Japanese sounding as Zen Buddhism was originally Chan Buddhism. I have no problem imagining a secret school in Japan using Tai Ching Pek Chuar (is that spelled right?), probably giving it the equivalent Japanese name, as a technique for their ninjas to use.
I suspect most of the details presented to us are comparably realistic to the science of cybertronics as practiced by the military, the Middleton Space Center, and Drakken's diablo manufacturing facility, in other words, interesting to discuss, but mostly fictional.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2005 23:35:57 GMT -5
I looked a little into this and was surprised to find that Tai Shing Pek Kwar is actually a real form of martial arts. I wasn't expecting that... I'll give my thoughts on this topic when I get home from school tomorrow, I gotta get to bed so I don't sleep in. I have a couple theories that may be similar to surforst's. |
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 9, 2005 1:33:42 GMT -5
Cloud, I have absolutely no doubt that the creators didn't do any real research into it. As great as they are at many aspects, continuity and logical connectedness are not a priority for them.
However, this one just struck me as being amazingly odd.
Why ninjas? Even people who only have a passing knowledge of martial arts know that ninjas practice ninjitsu, and anyone in the age range of the writers that watched any TV knows that kung fu is practiced by monks, right Grasshopper.
So why a ninja school? Why not a monastary school or something like that? It just seemed extraordinarily odd, even for them.
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Post by PossibleKim on Dec 9, 2005 1:40:03 GMT -5
Yamanochi school does not exsist> It is a town located in Japan.
Tai Shing Pek Kwar is not monkey Kungfu orginally. It is the movement of the 8 animals. However since moneky is the most complex one, it is always as monkey kungfu. I study this kinda of stuff, so I know this stuff quite well. The pek stands for 8 in chinese.
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Post by surforst on Dec 9, 2005 2:23:47 GMT -5
Cloud, I have absolutely no doubt that the creators didn't do any real research into it. As great as they are at many aspects, continuity and logical connectedness are not a priority for them. However, this one just struck me as being amazingly odd. Why ninjas? Even people who only have a passing knowledge of martial arts know that ninjas practice ninjitsu, and anyone in the age range of the writers that watched any TV knows that kung fu is practiced by monks, right Grasshopper. So why a ninja school? Why not a monastary school or something like that? It just seemed extraordinarily odd, even for them. Hm that is true. Why ninjas. My guess is because ninjas are know for stealth, intelligence gathering, and being assassins. All of these work out well for protect the Lotus blade. 1. Hide it from the outside world. How many people actually know of the blade. 2. Gather any intelligence on threats to the blade and on the chosen one himself. Remember they brought Ron to them not the other way around. 3. If you face an opponent on an even battlefield he has a chance to win. If you instead stab at him while he sleeps you have the almost assured chance of victory. When it comes to the real world the good guys don't always play nice. This would be my guess anyway on why ninjas. Using Monks would make it hard to hide since people would travel to the shrine. No one travels to a ninja school without permission. |
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Post by Prof. Demizle on Dec 9, 2005 9:33:13 GMT -5
For a cool vision of actual Tai Shing Pek Kwar see Monkey Fist-Floating Snake it's an old 70s Kung Fu flick but it's unique in that the main character uses monkey Kung Fu.
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Post by Forlong on Dec 9, 2005 11:58:28 GMT -5
The circa 300 AD date for the founding of the Yamanouchi school is approximately right for an influx of Taoist and Buddhist mystics from China to Japan. I looked this up in the process of trying to decide which religion Yori would probably identify with for her wedding, Shinto or Buddhist. I went with Buddhist on the basis of this cultural/religious influx. I seriously doubt, however, that Bob and Mark bothered themselves much with this much reality... Even something as Japanese sounding as Zen Buddhism was originally Chan Buddhism. I have no problem imagining a secret school in Japan using Tai Ching Pek Chuar (is that spelled right?), probably giving it the equivalent Japanese name, as a technique for their ninjas to use. I suspect most of the details presented to us are comparably realistic to the science of cybertronics as practiced by the military, the Middleton Space Center, and Drakken's diablo manufacturing facility, in other words, interesting to discuss, but mostly fictional. WOW! They really did their homework, or it's just a convenient coinsidence. And it's Tia Shing Pek Kwar. |
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Post by cloudmonet on Dec 11, 2005 13:05:32 GMT -5
On a related note, most of us probably know that "Sensei" is Japanese for teacher, but how about this: "Yori," a real Japanese girl's name, means "dependable." Somebody thought about that name!
"Fukushima," by the way, is just one of the islands.
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