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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 16:25:08 GMT -5
Here, I made the thread.
Now give me your ideas.
If you're reading this surforst then tell me:
Did you made this completely up, or do you have some theoretical support?
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 16:31:54 GMT -5
The basic idea would be that Dr. P doesn't accept the fact that there can be one more intelligent than him.
I think that this can be somewhat proved due to the fact that likes to show off, telling to everyone that he's a rocket scientist, in almost every conversation.
Surforst had put the idea that Kim's Dad is in fact an evil genius, and that every step Kim has taken in her live was planed. I don't know if Kim meeting Ron was planned or something unpredicted.
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 18:15:08 GMT -5
Sure I like to justify my crazy ideas.
First off we have to prove Dr. P is in fact a former villain.
1. Part of this is just a feeling. The way he acts and all. I put a lot of stock in my feelings after all. This is the weakest proof mind you.
2. The new haircut episode Dr. P in a moment of crazy fatherly love gives us the biggest hint of the series. Remember the mouse he gave the battle suit too. No sane person would arm that suit with lasers and missiles which he did. Only a mad genius.
3. Guy is way too calm around Kim's foes when they show up. The Halloween episode he totally ignores the fact that they could kill him in a second. This says to me he has either a past in the hero or villain racket. That or he's insane which furthers my proof of his villain heritage.
4. He plays God with Chimpy. A talking monkey, even if it's through a computer, come on. This also screams evil villain.
5. Guy can calmly modify equipment while big explosions happen around him. Think StD with Ron's scooter. Most normal scientist are cooped up in a lab where danger is far away. He on the other hand seems to be most calm around this. It says to me he's use to having explosions and screams going off near his location.
6. The fact that he is so calm about Kim and her missions. Tells me he's got the rest of the villain community so cowed they'd think twice about looking at Kim in the wrong way. No father without such an insurance would allow their daughter to wander around.
Combine that all together and I see no other way but to accept the fact that he's a mad genius. Why he gave up the villain life is the stuff of Romance movies. Expect me to write a fic about it someday when I get time.
Now onto the bit about Ron.
1. Dr. P is very concerned about looking smart. He worries like crazy when the rest of the geniuses get invited to a party without him. Sure it turned out to be a trap but the fact was that he worried. This means he wants to be viewed as the greatest.
2. He rubs his daughter and by extension Ron's nose into the fact that he is a rocket scientist. He does this by creating the Rocket Booster club. Sure it might be fatherly love by other facts show me that he's probably doing it for less then fatherly reasons. Combine this with the Tax episode where he just couldn't resist mentioning the fact that he was a rocket scientist. Lets face it Dr. P likes people to think he's smart.
3. Kimmie and Ron just happen to hook up. I don't believe in fate so this tells me that Dr. P set this up as well. Kim also just happens to never have any real friends but Ron. I think Dr. P slacked off when Monique appeared but by then the plan was a success. Ron's world revolved around Kim which kept him distracted.
4. Then look at the phrase "Anything Possible for a Possible." this has got to be the worse thing you can drill into a kid's head. It leads to overconfidence and arrogance of the worse kind. It helps with the plan though by having it that Kim can't accept Ron being better then her. This would force Ron to cut down on the genius bit if he was going to keep Kim as a friend.
With all these together that's how I make that leap. Certain things are just guess work right now. It's a theory in the works mostly. Still trying to figure out all the little flaws in it. Hope this helps.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 20:19:53 GMT -5
Your theory has some strong "subject" or "undercover" points. I did always strange about Dr. P tendency in vanglorising his family and especially Kim, as if they were perfect.
Another prof, which may not be as strong, would be in emotion sickness, because Dr. P was quite harsh with Ron, unlike all the other boyfriends Kim had before. But yet again, maybe he acted liked this because Ron was a person that Kim knew for a long time.
But if I stick to your theory, then I would say that he greatly despises Ron.
Secondly, did Dr. P plan originally started when Kim met Ron or much before that? (most likely when Kim became a member of the family).
Thirdly, when Dr. P always says the "ego" phrase, quite often Kim's mother criticizes him quietly. Most of the times she interrupts him. But yet again, she might just be doing this just to stop her husband from making the usual show off, which may put then in a tight position.
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 20:34:46 GMT -5
Your theory has some strong "subject" or "undercover" points. I did always strange about Dr. P tendency in vanglorising his family and especially Kim, as if they were perfect. Another prof, which may not be as strong, would be in emotion sickness, because Dr. P was quite harsh with Ron, unlike all the other boyfriends Kim had before. But yet again, maybe he acted liked this because Ron was a person that Kim knew for a long time. But if I stick to your theory, then I would say that he greatly despises Ron. Secondly, did Dr. P plan originally started when Kim met Ron or much before that? (most likely when Kim became a member of the family). Thirdly, when Dr. P always says the "ego" phrase, quite often Kim's mother criticizes him quietly. Most of the times she interrupts him. But yet again, she might just be doing this just to stop her husband from making the usual show off, which may put then in a tight position. He doesn't have to hate Ron for the theory to work. I'm unclear at this moment what his feeligns about Ron are. Kind of odd there. As for the reaction I just assume all the boyfriends get that. He might be evil but God help you if you mess with his daughter. He's still a loving father. As for when he came up with this plan. I'm convinced as soon as Ron was born he figured out Ron's potential. Again dark arts we won't go into. Dr. P kind be kind of scary after all. Mrs. Dr. P may not like the phrase but she has no idea about the plan. It's a secret after all. |
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 20:38:11 GMT -5
Hummmm...
How would Kim's dad have reacted to the Dark Ron incident?(that is, if he knew about the incident, most likely from Kim).
Maybe his worst fears may had been justified.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 20:39:00 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I salute this completely.
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 20:40:49 GMT -5
Hummmm... How would Kim's dad have reacted to the Dark Ron incident?(that is, if he knew about the incident, most likely from Kim). Maybe his worst fears may had been justified. Exactly. He would not have been pleased and may have encouraged Kim to go on that date with Ron. Keep them together more and avoid the chance of a recurrence of the Bad Boy bit. His worse fears turned out to be true after all. As for how he would deal with it. The plan of course! Keep pushing Ron and Kim together and make sure they never figure it out. He can't very well kill Ron now that his daughter is so emotional attached to him. Besides Dr. P might be a sadistic villain but in the end he's a big softy. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 20:44:16 GMT -5
What about his approval of Eric?
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 20:47:26 GMT -5
What about his approval of Eric? You assume the kill bots weren't being activated when he had to deal with the unexpected robot bit. I'm thinking Eric was going to be killed one way or another by the end of this. Dr. P gotten lazy in his latter years after all so he's not so quick about taking them out. Then again maybe he figured out that this was the only way to get Ron to tell Kim how he felt. Guy shows a amazing grasp on how the human mind works after all. He has to be one of my favorite villains at this point. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 20:48:48 GMT -5
What about his approval of Eric? You assume the kill bots weren't being activated when he had to deal with the unexpected robot bit. I'm thinking Eric was going to be killed one way or another by the end of this. Dr. P gotten lazy in his latter years after all so he's not so quick about taking them out. Then again maybe he figured out that this was the only way to get Ron to tell Kim how he felt. Guy shows a amazing grasp on how the human mind works after all. He has to be one of my favorite villains at this point. Hmm... perfectly logical. ;D You have no idea how psyched I am over this concept. |
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 20:48:55 GMT -5
Nice one HAHA!
Lets see:
If he had known of Drakken's plan than he wouldn't have accepted eric.
If hadn't known about Drakken's plan he wouldn't still have accepted eric because Kim is Ron's "stupidity" formula.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 20:51:04 GMT -5
Wait a minute!
Did Drakken ever say how did he got eric?
I remember him only saying that he was ordered....
What if Dr. P knew about Drakken's plan and had antecipated him.....
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 21:21:17 GMT -5
I was under the impression Drakken built Eric.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 21:22:47 GMT -5
I was under the impression Drakken built Eric. I don't think so, unless the translation is incorrect. You see, I can only find the Portuguese version, not the original. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 21:24:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Drakken built all the synthodrones.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 21:25:50 GMT -5
Maybe...
If that's so then what about those times when Ron distances himself from Kim?
I mean any absence of Kim in Ron's life would lead to its plan disaster.
I say... let Dark Ron be freed and then he would take vengeance over Kim's dad actions, and to prove that he is the greater genius!
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Post by Sorsha on Dec 21, 2005 21:41:31 GMT -5
StD DVD... downstairs... too lazy... to check... But I think Piratess is right: synthodrones are all Drakken's. Anyone absolutely positive one way or the other? If that's so then what about those times when Ron distances himself from Kim? I mean any absence of Kim in Ron's life would lead to its plan disaster. I'm not sure how the precise origin of Eric (whether ordered or Drakken-built) would affect this theory. Could you explain? But the distancing thing has to be a a human variable. I doubt even Dr. P could have fully pulled that in. Much with that plan.  ;D |
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 22, 2005 8:41:00 GMT -5
I've always had the theory that Dark Ron could appear in two occasions: 1: An accident like in Bad Boy. 2: A more violent or darker personality or even his rage that would accumulate with the pass of time, and I think if that happens than its will be because of this: - The fact that he had never the chance to express himself, his opinions are practically always seen as stupid or simply ignored. Although some of us know that when he gives his opinion that's because he sees something else, and suspects of it. And the rest of the characters think he's a simple minded, "laughts", such ignorance.
- Secondly the fact that he's the only disposable member of the Possible team, I think he feels kind of useless, and the only empty minded, since Kim takes care of the missions, Rufus helps and is skilled in several fields, and Wade takes care of the equipment. What does he get? The position of the team idiot that does nothing useful to the team. Besides I think it is stupid to think that a rat has to steal Ron's scenes and glory, it almost feels that Disney has to come up with stupid excuses just to keep Ron the stupid guy. ( I feel sorry and pity for him because of the life he takes, since it's the only useless one).
- Third: The fact that everyone call him the idiot. I think he gets frustrated sometimes, but of course he doesn't tell anyone about it. And also the fact that he has to listen to Dr. P all the time saying: "Everything is possible to a Possible". I am sorry but I have never seen such egocentricity him a character, and the fact that his kids will always keep this in mind just to boost their ego.
I really feel sorry for Ron.
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Post by aridblue on Dec 22, 2005 11:31:33 GMT -5
You know, I read somewhere in this forum before, that Ron is the type of guy to have repressed anger, that is, he doesn't get angry easily and he doesn't hold grudges either. He probably doesn't have a built-up anger from over the years either. He's weird for having such uncanny acceptance of his fate, no matter how imposed his "fate" is.
Honestly, I don't pity him. He is only a cartoon character, but still, I find his character very endearing to me. For someone to take flak from everyone, sometimes including his best friend, and still never breaking. Maybe that's why he's called Ron Stoppable. Unstoppable.
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