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Post by surforst on Dec 22, 2005 16:03:15 GMT -5
Will Ron break emotional? If Mr. P evil plan works I say no.
Let's look at what Kim serves on for this front.
1. Emotional support for Ron. 2. A person to talk to. 3. Someone to reaffirm that he matters. 4. Someone to distract him or make him laugh. 5. A girl he loves.
Mr. P is good in what he does. Sure Kim has her flaws and Mr. P probably kicking himself for not paying for that robot but in the end she still does her job. Now if Ron ever does break it will be because of Kim. Then we get to see the final battle bewteen Mr. P and Ron. The type of fight that is recorder in legends mind you.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 22, 2005 16:17:02 GMT -5
It is true that Kim is Ron's stupidity formula but this has it disadvantages:
First, the life style that Ron has which is very frustrating to him on a Daly basis.
And second, what I am about to say is very relative as well as umpredictable if not checked through certain techniques such as CAT or magnetic resonance, is that the subconscious acts like a second personality, that is if I can use the word personality. So Ron's frustration would still be bound to explode, through vengeance.
Or this most likely won't happen if the psychological effect that Kim has on Ron is greater than his subconscious impulses. But I greatly doubt that.
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Post by aridblue on Dec 23, 2005 4:56:16 GMT -5
And second, what I am about to say is very relative as well as umpredictable if not checked through certain techniques such as CAT or magnetic resonance, is that the subconscious acts like a second personality, that is if I can use the word personality. So Ron's frustration would still be bound to explode, through vengeance. You mean a split-personality? It could happen. But if its going to be canon, it's not going to go to very dark places.
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Post by Sorsha on Dec 23, 2005 11:23:28 GMT -5
Question: What exactly is Dr. P. DOING to prepare HIMSELF for the ultimate battle against our dear psycho-evil Ron? You seem to be discussing motives and plans, but I need something pratical in nature to examine.
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Post by surforst on Dec 23, 2005 12:38:51 GMT -5
Question: What exactly is Dr. P. DOING to prepare HIMSELF for the ultimate battle against our dear psycho-evil Ron? You seem to be discussing motives and plans, but I need something pratical in nature to examine. Reading his newspaper. Remember he doesn't think this fight is going to happen. After all Kimmie-cub is on the case.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 23, 2005 14:14:14 GMT -5
Question: What exactly is Dr. P. DOING to prepare HIMSELF for the ultimate battle against our dear psycho-evil Ron? You seem to be discussing motives and plans, but I need something pratical in nature to examine. Reading his newspaper. Remember he doesn't think this fight is going to happen. After all Kimmie-cub is on the case. And the man is far too sure of himself and his science to let in any chaos factors.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 23, 2005 14:28:09 GMT -5
One more variable to bring in: we all hate the idea of killing off characters, but humor me--
What if something happened that put Kim out of the picture? This would certainly have an emotional effect on Mr. P as well as Ron... and it would get rid of the Kim Factor on Ron's intelligence.
I just think this is an angle that should be examined for best understanding of this.
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Post by surforst on Dec 23, 2005 15:08:26 GMT -5
One more variable to bring in: we all hate the idea of killing off characters, but humor me-- What if something happened that put Kim out of the picture? This would certainly have an emotional effect on Mr. P as well as Ron... and it would get rid of the Kim Factor on Ron's intelligence. I just think this is an angle that should be examined for best understanding of this. Ron would be an interesting one to consider here. Two things would occur with him. 1. He becomes the villain we all fear. Revenge against humanity and all that. 2. He becomes the hero we all see. He'll continue saving the world in order to honor Kim wishes. He'll be dead inside though I just don't see either of the two getting over the others death. Distract themselves yes but getting over no. As for Mr. P I honestly got to wonder here. Would he even care anymore. He loves his daughter there no question here. He may use her for his plot but in the end it benefits Kim more then it does him. He may get rid of Ron but Kim finds the love of her life. Any father would want that. A few things would occur here. Ron goes good. 1. Mr. P avenges his daughter. Retires afterwards or he and Ron have the fight we all see happening. Ron goes evil. 1. Mr. P fights over who gets to kill his daughter attackers or he takes Ron down. He knows deep down inside his daughter wouldn't want Ron to be that way. Mr. P might try to bring Ron back to the good side for nothing more then to honor his daughter memory. I imagine he'd consider death a small price to achieve this. Got to remember Mr. P may be an evil genius but he does love his daughter. By extension he would respect what she loves so Ronald would be involved in all this. I don't think the guy could bring himself to kill him now despite the jealousy he feels towards him. In the end though we'd have to see. All I can say is Kim better not die or everything falls apart.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 23, 2005 16:02:54 GMT -5
Good ideas. Honestly, I feel Mr. P would let his evil schemes go in the best interest of Kim's memory
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 23, 2005 18:12:35 GMT -5
Hummm...
This is a most complicated and umpredictable subject due to the imense amount of factors. Very well, I shall fully detail you of what I think:
(don't forget that all our hipothisis can not be confirmed, only speculated).
Before giving you the details, I must say that there are more than just 2 to 3 options in both Ron's and Dr. P life.
If Kim doesn't die, and Ron turns against all because of his frustation to the world (including his friends and villians). Although he doesn't complain to anyone and he is shown through out the series to not feel angry about being joked by the entire planet, (this shows some maturity in some aspects), eventually, just like any other human being, he wouldn't accept it anymore, since his frustation about it has reached a critical point. What would most likely happen is this:
Ron wouldn't just create a simple domsday machine ( the concept is to simple), he could: (the opitions are almost infinite)
1:Create super destructive WMD, biological(genetic weapon), chemical, nuclear, heavy nuclear fusion, purified hidrogen bomb, neutron bomb etc...
2: He would try to control the world at a political and economic level( I think that is the most efficient one).
3: He could create a clone or droid army, like the clone wars, and create walking nuclear battle tanks( like metal gear manta), a cyborg army, his minions would be like the Sigma Force Cannons in DBGT and a Grevious like cyborg, with extendable arms, caring 4 lightsabers a time, and he would wear heavy exoskeleton suit with muscular extension( not like Kim's silly battle armor), and this battle armor would have tentacles made of a very flexible syntetic metal alloy.(he's capable of doing this). Dr. P wouldn't maybe accept his and he would fight him, using both her daughter and her team, as well as others to fight Ron, like the global justice. All thanks to his genius. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If he realises that his life was simply ruined because of Dr. P jealous, and other factors (although this is the most unlikely possibility), then he might not fight the rest of the world, but he could isolate himself, being free to create all sorts of inventions and new tecnologies. Maybe quantics, fotonics, superconductor( since he is perfectly capable of doing this). Again I don't tihnk Dr. P would accept this, although there is the possibility that he might accept, due to either his age or because he has finally accepted the idea that there could be one much more inteligent than him. But if he doesn't, then he will pursue Ron and Ron will be forced to defend himself, and defeat him by proving that he is far superior to him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- And if Kim dies, Ron could turn to his dark side or simply continue to be the hero, although he would most likely never find happiness in his life again. If he turns to the dark side, I still think he would feel depressed lots of times, because there would still be a substancial part of him that misses Kim much, and I think he would even want to trade every he would have created thanks to his genius, or even the more dignified life he has, just to have his Kim back to life. Even as a villian, I think he would feel lonely and empty.
Dr. P could settle his affairs with Ron either the nice way or the hard way, since I think that he could still provoque Ron (although Ron is most likely to start this) and create the final rivaly we have all been waiting for, since there is no excuse fot that not happening now, or he could leave Ron alone. But I think that there could be the remote possibility that he would blame Ron for his daugther death, and thus he would hate Ron more than ever.
Again I say: The posibilities to this subject are infinite, but very interesting to discuss.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 23, 2005 18:13:59 GMT -5
I am sorry I have wrote this as a guest but I forgot I wasn't online.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 23, 2005 20:11:21 GMT -5
Hummm... This is a most complicated and umpredictable subject due to the imense amount of factors. Very well, I shall fully detail you of what I think: (don't forget that all our hipothisis can not be confirmed, only speculated). Before giving you the details, I must say that there are more than just 2 to 3 options in both Ron's and Dr. P life. If Kim doesn't die, and Ron turns against all because of his frustation to the world (including his friends and villians). Although he doesn't complain to anyone and he is shown through out the series to not feel angry about being joked by the entire planet, (this shows some maturity in some aspects), eventually, just like any other human being, he wouldn't accept it anymore, since his frustation about it has reached a critical point. What would most likely happen is this: Ron wouldn't just create a simple domsday machine ( the concept is to simple), he could: (the opitions are almost infinite) 1:Create super destructive WMD, biological(genetic weapon), chemical, nuclear, heavy nuclear fusion, purified hidrogen bomb, neutron bomb etc... 2: He would try to control the world at a political and economic level( I think that is the most efficient one). 3: He could create a clone or droid army, like the clone wars, and create walking nuclear battle tanks( like metal gear manta), a cyborg army, his minions would be like the Sigma Force Cannons in DBGT and a Grevious like cyborg, with extendable arms, caring 4 lightsabers a time, and he would wear heavy exoskeleton suit with muscular extension( not like Kim's silly battle armor), and this battle armor would have tentacles made of a very flexible syntetic metal alloy.(he's capable of doing this). Dr. P wouldn't maybe accept his and he would fight him, using both her daughter and her team, as well as others to fight Ron, like the global justice. All thanks to his genius. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If he realises that his life was simply ruined because of Dr. P jealous, and other factors (although this is the most unlikely possibility), then he might not fight the rest of the world, but he could isolate himself, being free to create all sorts of inventions and new tecnologies. Maybe quantics, fotonics, superconductor( since he is perfectly capable of doing this). Again I don't tihnk Dr. P would accept this, although there is the possibility that he might accept, due to either his age or because he has finally accepted the idea that there could be one much more inteligent than him. But if he doesn't, then he will pursue Ron and Ron will be forced to defend himself, and defeat him by proving that he is far superior to him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- And if Kim dies, Ron could turn to his dark side or simply continue to be the hero, although he would most likely never find happiness in his life again. If he turns to the dark side, I still think he would feel depressed lots of times, because there would still be a substancial part of him that misses Kim much, and I think he would even want to trade every he would have created thanks to his genius, or even the more dignified life he has, just to have his Kim back to life. Even as a villian, I think he would feel lonely and empty. Dr. P could settle his affairs with Ron either the nice way or the hard way, since I think that he could still provoque Ron (although Ron is most likely to start this) and create the final rivaly we have all been waiting for, since there is no excuse fot that not happening now, or he could leave Ron alone. But I think that there could be the remote possibility that he would blame Ron for his daugther death, and thus he would hate Ron more than ever. Again I say: The posibilities to this subject are infinite, but very interesting to discuss. PS: when I say hate more than ever don't mean that Dr. P already hated Ron before. What I mean is that Dr. P was jealous of Ron's capabilites, but with his daugther's death, the jealous that he feels of Ron is easy to grow and may turn to pure hate. Perhaps...
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 23, 2005 21:13:44 GMT -5
[ PS: when I say hate more than ever don't mean that Dr. P already hated Ron before. What I mean is that Dr. P was jealous of Ron's capabilites, but with his daugther's death, the jealous that he feels of Ron is easy to grow and may turn to pure hate. Perhaps... True, true. And yet... if the hypothetical death of Kim was brought on by an outside force, and Mr. P would admit to this, it's also entirely probable that, in the best interest of Kim as being more important than a battle of intelligence, they might actually join forces.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 23, 2005 22:00:58 GMT -5
[ PS: when I say hate more than ever don't mean that Dr. P already hated Ron before. What I mean is that Dr. P was jealous of Ron's capabilites, but with his daugther's death, the jealous that he feels of Ron is easy to grow and may turn to pure hate. Perhaps... True, true. And yet... if the hypothetical death of Kim was brought on by an outside force, and Mr. P would admit to this, it's also entirely probable that, in the best interest of Kim as being more important than a battle of intelligence, they might actually join forces. OVER MY DEAD BODY! Just kidding..... Nice idea!
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Post by surforst on Dec 24, 2005 1:30:36 GMT -5
True, true. And yet... if the hypothetical death of Kim was brought on by an outside force, and Mr. P would admit to this, it's also entirely probable that, in the best interest of Kim as being more important than a battle of intelligence, they might actually join forces. We have yet to examine another factor. Meaning it just came to me. It is the simple fact that magic exist in the KP world. MMP is the proof of such things and we know the possibility of time travel is also there. The issue now becomes a simple one. Will Ron/Dr. P commit the ultimate sin. The ultimate act of arrogance. Will they look in the fact of God and say 'I will not except your decision. My way is better.' Now this brings up a whole new can of worms. It's an issue I've got to ponder more but it is one to consider. The ethical ramifications of the act aside the pure chaos that it would bring to the natural order would be too great for anyone but a man driven insane by grief to attempt. That is a story waiting to be written there! Anyway a lot of people express concern of Ron snapping and going evil. Your ignoring the basic fact that Ron wants to be the hero. He craves it and in a lot of ways it is for the sole purpose of impressing Kim. Going evil will not impress Kim and even in death I see Ron trying to continue making Kim happy. I see the way of the hero for our friend though there is still the possibility of the dark side. As for if Mr. P and Ron would fight after Kim death that's up in the air too. If Mr. P or Ron blames the other then yes. If not they may team up but I see both going solo. Neither one is a very social organism after all.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 24, 2005 7:59:22 GMT -5
True, true. And yet... if the hypothetical death of Kim was brought on by an outside force, and Mr. P would admit to this, it's also entirely probable that, in the best interest of Kim as being more important than a battle of intelligence, they might actually join forces. We have yet to examine another factor. Meaning it just came to me. It is the simple fact that magic exist in the KP world. MMP is the proof of such things and we know the possibility of time travel is also there. The issue now becomes a simple one. Will Ron/Dr. P commit the ultimate sin. The ultimate act of arrogance. Will they look in the fact of God and say 'I will not except your decision. My way is better.' Now this brings up a whole new can of worms. It's an issue I've got to ponder more but it is one to consider. The ethical ramifications of the act aside the pure chaos that it would bring to the natural order would be too great for anyone but a man driven insane by grief to attempt. That is a story waiting to be written there! Anyway a lot of people express concern of Ron snapping and going evil. Your ignoring the basic fact that Ron wants to be the hero. He craves it and in a lot of ways it is for the sole purpose of impressing Kim. Going evil will not impress Kim and even in death I see Ron trying to continue making Kim happy. I see the way of the hero for our friend though there is still the possibility of the dark side. As for if Mr. P and Ron would fight after Kim death that's up in the air too. If Mr. P or Ron blames the other then yes. If not they may team up but I see both going solo. Neither one is a very social organism after all. I have already noticed that before. That's why I am creating a FanFic about Ron Stoppable and Ron Weasley. PS: Ron Stoppable has seveval things in commom with Ron Weasley, which puts the theory that one nay have been created from another.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 26, 2005 12:33:16 GMT -5
True, true. And yet... if the hypothetical death of Kim was brought on by an outside force, and Mr. P would admit to this, it's also entirely probable that, in the best interest of Kim as being more important than a battle of intelligence, they might actually join forces. We have yet to examine another factor. Meaning it just came to me. It is the simple fact that magic exist in the KP world. MMP is the proof of such things and we know the possibility of time travel is also there. The issue now becomes a simple one. Will Ron/Dr. P commit the ultimate sin. The ultimate act of arrogance. Will they look in the fact of God and say 'I will not except your decision. My way is better.' Now this brings up a whole new can of worms. It's an issue I've got to ponder more but it is one to consider. The ethical ramifications of the act aside the pure chaos that it would bring to the natural order would be too great for anyone but a man driven insane by grief to attempt. That is a story waiting to be written there! Anyway a lot of people express concern of Ron snapping and going evil. Your ignoring the basic fact that Ron wants to be the hero. He craves it and in a lot of ways it is for the sole purpose of impressing Kim. Going evil will not impress Kim and even in death I see Ron trying to continue making Kim happy. I see the way of the hero for our friend though there is still the possibility of the dark side. As for if Mr. P and Ron would fight after Kim death that's up in the air too. If Mr. P or Ron blames the other then yes. If not they may team up but I see both going solo. Neither one is a very social organism after all. You are right Surforst, but don't forget to classify the "type" of magic that you are mentioning. In Ron's and Sensei case, we can say that that they are not exactly using "magic", but some sort of spiritual power. This justifies my theory of Ron and Sensei being able to reach a superior level of consciousness.
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Post by surforst on Dec 26, 2005 16:26:01 GMT -5
Type of magic. Um...ok this is going to take a little work. Give me the types your thinking of and I can figure it out. As for MMP we basically can see that is really has not definite limitation to what it can do. It can transform a sword, give knowledge, transform a person, and various other things. If we assume Sensei is tapping into his own personal power we can also assume that with training Ron could use more then the MMP. As for what would be required to bring back the dead it would depend.
1. Cheat - Make sure it never happened with good old time traveling. Seems that in the KP universe no consequences occur from messing with the time stream. Kind of cheap that way.
2. Raise the dead - Alright factors involved in here. Physical restoration of the body must occur. Basically you got to fix everything and make sure it can function again. That's the easy part. The hard part if putting the soul back inside the body. The magic involved here would have to be of a sort we haven't seen yet.
3. Create a robot girl - Sure your insane by this point but it is the easiest.
Anyway that's a break down right now of how they could do it. Give me the categories you want these things placed in and I'll try my best. It's fun to think after all.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 26, 2005 18:29:48 GMT -5
;Lets see:
Types of magic and basic description:(the ones I am remembering at this moment)
Note: Several types of magic may have more than one characteristic in common. The borders are philosophically and in a practical level impossible to define, but here goes nothing:
1: Arcane magic. Don't confuse this type of magic with the one from Harry Potter, there are differences between these two. Arcane magic allows you to control the elements, like fire, water, earth, space(the Quantico definition of space, but this is now impossible to define by comparison), time and air. This type of magic, including spiritual, and energetic, belong to the field of "pure" combat magic. These types of magic are mainly used by Battlemages.
2: Quantico magic, the type of magic that controls objects in terms of location, movement, shape manipulation, chemical manipulation, physical manipulation, in other words the same that Quantico science is and will be able to do.
3: Practical magic or non elemental magic, the type of magic presented in Harry Potter. This type of magic involves several types of aspects of all the other types of magic and as the name says it's practical, and can be used in an immeasurable number of ways and occasions. I see this type of magic as the weakest one, since its spells are the weakest.
4: Spiritual magic or power, the type of magic that we see in DragonBall / Z / GT, and in the KP universe. This is the most powerful type of magic. Examples, spells like Kamehameha, Shell Blast, Gigantic Storm, Destructo Disk, Death Beam, etc. Ron and Sensei use this type of power, and the mystical monkey power is nothing more than this.(I am thinking of using this information to create a fanfic, sorry dude the idea is already taken, lol!)
Pure energy magic (that is if this can be called magic). Simply the use of energy.
Magic engineering, this type of magic is the one that allows the creating of magic weaponry. Magic weaponry may have a seal, in order to make that only "the chosen one" may achieve it and use it. Magic engineering may involve characteristics from several types of magic, even spiritual magic.
PS: I may update this. post
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 26, 2005 18:30:55 GMT -5
Lets see:
Types of magic and basic description:(the ones I am remembering at this moment)
Note: Several types of magic may have more than one characteristic in common. The borders are philosophically and in a practical level impossible to define, but here goes nothing:
1: Arcane magic. Don't confuse this type of magic with the one from Harry Potter, there are differences between these two. Arcane magic allows you to control the elements, like fire, water, earth, space(the Quantico definition of space, but this is now impossible to define by comparison), time and air. This type of magic, including spiritual, and energetic, belong to the field of "pure" combat magic. These types of magic are mainly used by Battlemages.
2: Quantico magic, the type of magic that controls objects in terms of location, movement, shape manipulation, chemical manipulation, physical manipulation, in other words the same that Quantico science is and will be able to do.
3: Practical magic or non elemental magic, the type of magic presented in Harry Potter. This type of magic involves several types of aspects of all the other types of magic and as the name says it's practical, and can be used in an immeasurable number of ways and occasions. I see this type of magic as the weakest one, since its spells are the weakest.
4: Spiritual magic or power, the type of magic that we see in DragonBall / Z / GT, and in the KP universe. This is the most powerful type of magic. Examples, spells like Kamehameha, Shell Blast, Gigantic Storm, Destructo Disk, Death Beam, etc. Ron and Sensei use this type of power, and the mystical monkey power is nothing more than this.(I am thinking of using this information to create a fanfic, sorry dude the idea is already taken, lol!)
5: Pure energy magic (that is if this can be called magic). Simply the use of energy.
6: Magic engineering, this type of magic is the one that allows the creating of magic weaponry. Magic weaponry may have a seal, in order to make that only "the chosen one" may achieve it and use it. Magic engineering may involve characteristics from several types of magic, even spiritual magic.
PS: I may update this post. See only this one, not the one above.
Damm, I can't forget to get online. Sorry about that.
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