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Post by ronkstoppable on Jul 27, 2005 19:23:03 GMT -5
Now, what about the Bebes? They're consitered villains aren't they? What's the differance between them and Erik? Hoo, boy. Do I ever have some personal experience in that department! But at least I know that if you're Take-Over-The-World evil like Drakken, or High School evil like Bonnie, then the Bebes are gonna be just as nasty. They could learn not to be, if they took directions from the right people. Eric, on the other hand, was never allowed to have a choice. In some strange, sad and wrongsick little way, I kinda feel sorry for him, almost.
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 27, 2005 20:38:46 GMT -5
Look we can all say Eric's a villain becuse he was part of the plan he helped Drakken and he was mean to Ron now that's a villain
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Post by Potential Boy on Jul 27, 2005 21:46:31 GMT -5
Evil tool. a manipulative one at that....
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 28, 2005 12:17:52 GMT -5
Okey so he's a villain
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Post by Forlong on Jul 28, 2005 13:10:39 GMT -5
Wow. I don't think I've ever seen a pole that was divided evenly. I guess the answer is really up to the creators of Kim Possible.
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 28, 2005 15:35:06 GMT -5
Bob and Mark know becuse they WROTE So The Drama
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Post by as on Dec 26, 2005 18:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by KP4EVER on Dec 26, 2005 20:00:58 GMT -5
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Post by surforst on Dec 27, 2005 1:16:23 GMT -5
He's a programmed robot with a decent AI. That doesn't make him sentient in anyway just as my computer is not sentient. I don't care if it can hold a conversation with me or come up with stuff it's still a machine running through programmed instructions. I don't want to get into technical details of AI programming but in the end the programmer still has to guide a computer to the correct choice. A machine is unable to think on it's own without the human element after all.
What does this say about Eric? Well that he's a tool used by Drakken and like all tools he is neutral. He could have been used for good or evil so to attach the evil label to him would be a mistake. Just my opinion though it is correct. ;D
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 27, 2005 6:26:55 GMT -5
Hummm...
Lets see:
1: Eric is a robot
2: He was built by Drakken
3: Drakken programmed him to be what we could call "evil".
4: Don't confuse yourselves about whether if he is intelligent or not.
First, the human mind is a computer, and the software used by it is in fact hyper-adaptable.
Second, Eric was created to be evil, so the software out in him was a protocol and combat program. I consider him evil, since "it" was created to follow Drakken's plans. Everything built has its purposes, whether they are good or evil (but one must know that in philosophical terms these expressions worthless).
And don't forget, the only difference between a human and a robot is their "program". Eric program, compared to the one of a human, is much less complex.
And to answer any future answers about what I am going to say:
Don't start saying that he wasn't evil because he was a robot. If that's so, then he isn't even a robot. As I said before, the only difference between a robot and a human, is their programs, and Eric's program is most likely an already made program associated with a self learning program so it has exactly the same structure as the human mental software.
Everything that exists, affects the world around it in a different way, although philosophically these expressions are worthless, we have to see how he affects the world, in a "good way or in a "bad" way.
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Post by Sorsha on Dec 28, 2005 19:24:14 GMT -5
He's evil. It's his nature...even if that nature is a program.
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Post by surforst on Dec 29, 2005 1:05:23 GMT -5
First, the human mind is a computer, and the software used by it is in fact hyper-adaptable. Second, Eric was created to be evil, so the software out in him was a protocol and combat program. I consider him evil, since "it" was created to follow Drakken's plans. Everything built has its purposes, whether they are good or evil (but one must know that in philosophical terms these expressions worthless). And don't forget, the only difference between a human and a robot is their "program". Eric program, compared to the one of a human, is much less complex. Human are nothing but highly evolved programs? I know programmers who think in a similar way saying they can break down the way people think and write it in as a program. I'm telling you though my experience in this field is that a programmer can only hope to create an imitation of the original product. The human thinking process is on a level far beyond just a 'program'. It can evolve, devolve, screw itself up, fix itself, trick itself, realize things, create things, and even be aware of itself. That is the most insane and pointless program you can create. No robot will ever be the same as a human they just wouldn't be able to function. Eric and by extension any robot is no more human then my calculator or dog. I'm sorry but that's just the way things are. To go and place people on the same level is craziness in itself. I mean how can you even begin to program in true emotions? We don't even understand them because in the end they don't make sense. People are essential insane and it works for us. Look at what we are debating for example. What's the whole point of this? Bah!
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 29, 2005 19:05:40 GMT -5
This entire question is a paradox. Erik is not human, as has been said, and therefore has no free will--he cannot be good or evil!
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Post by drakkenyay on Dec 29, 2005 23:11:22 GMT -5
wow those are all great points cloudmonet nice one *claps*
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 31, 2005 8:15:48 GMT -5
First, the human mind is a computer, and the software used by it is in fact hyper-adaptable. Second, Eric was created to be evil, so the software out in him was a protocol and combat program. I consider him evil, since "it" was created to follow Drakken's plans. Everything built has its purposes, whether they are good or evil (but one must know that in philosophical terms these expressions worthless). And don't forget, the only difference between a human and a robot is their "program". Eric program, compared to the one of a human, is much less complex. Human are nothing but highly evolved programs? I know programmers who think in a similar way saying they can break down the way people think and write it in as a program. I'm telling you though my experience in this field is that a programmer can only hope to create an imitation of the original product. The human thinking process is on a level far beyond just a 'program'. It can evolve, devolve, screw itself up, fix itself, trick itself, realize things, create things, and even be aware of itself. That is the most insane and pointless program you can create. No robot will ever be the same as a human they just wouldn't be able to function. Eric and by extension any robot is no more human then my calculator or dog. I'm sorry but that's just the way things are. To go and place people on the same level is craziness in itself. I mean how can you even begin to program in true emotions? We don't even understand them because in the end they don't make sense. People are essential insane and it works for us. Look at what we are debating for example. What's the whole point of this? Bah! I haven't told just that, but beside the fact that humans have also behavioural programs and I am refering to instincs, but humans, like learnig A.I., also have the ability to absorve new factors and alter their behaviour acording to these new factors. Learnig A.I. can also do that, but the difference between learnig A.I. and Humans, is that humans are much more capable and faster in absorving new factors. This happens because of the human brains structure, that has millions of BUS pathways and also because of the sinapses, with are much more effective in transfering info than classic gate entries.
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Post by bigpenguin on Dec 31, 2005 11:58:25 GMT -5
This entire question is a paradox. Erik is not human, as has been said, and therefore has no free will--he cannot be good or evil! That sums it up right there.
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Post by Red on Dec 31, 2005 15:40:21 GMT -5
I think Erik is a villain. I would love to see him come back in season 4.
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Post by surforst on Dec 31, 2005 15:58:50 GMT -5
I think Erik is a villain. I would love to see him come back in season 4. Dude is a pile of goo on the floor. I don't think Drakken going to take the time to reload a failed program into a new robot. Mind you I'm not saying dead because robots can't die. They can only be smashed into many little pieces.
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