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Post by Forlong on Jul 26, 2005 9:17:05 GMT -5
I'd say that he is.
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Post by molonuk on Jul 26, 2005 9:29:29 GMT -5
I've always thought of him as some evil tool, not a villain in himself.
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Post by Forlong on Jul 26, 2005 9:36:51 GMT -5
Exactly why I started this thread. I'm not sure if anyone agrees with me or you. Well, we'll see...
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Post by molonuk on Jul 26, 2005 9:39:50 GMT -5
Let the games (or voting to be presice) begin ;D
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Post by zoza on Jul 26, 2005 9:50:15 GMT -5
I voted for option 2. It was Drakken's plan, not Erik's. The real villain of STD was Drakken imo.
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Post by cloudmonet on Jul 26, 2005 10:28:43 GMT -5
It comes down to the question of whether Erik's just a program, or an artificially created intelligence. Beyond a certain point, the difference between programming and sentience is very hard to perceive.
Leaning toward Erik's personality being a program:
1) Immediate response to appearance and name of Kim Possible.
2) Says and does things exactly the way Kim wants, until Ron enters the prom, then other concerns (defending Drakken) cause cracks in his facade.
But if he were a real person loyal to Drakken on a mission, he might do exactly the same thing.
Leaning toward Erik being sentient:
His harsh response toward Ron after Kim and Ron get free. The taunts about Ron being a loser and Rufus being gross seem like pointless responses for a program, and beyond what Drakken is liable to consider.
On the other hand, Erik could be programmed to respond like a real boy to details irrelevant to the plan based on teen zeen descriptions of how real boys behave, so this isn't certain proof.
The mechanics of the show's morality suggest that Erik must be just a program. Human villains, even DNAmy's composite genetic monsters, are never actually shown being killed. Erik, the other synthodrones, the Bebes, and other robots are commonly destroyed. Therefore, I guess we're supposed to look at Erik as a chemical robot.
Erik's too good at what he does though. He acts like a third partner. After knocking Ron unconscious, Shego embraces Erik, and generally treats him like a friend and partner. Would she hug a robot who knocked out Kim Possible? I kinda doubt it. Erik's good enough to make Shego, who knows what he is, respond to him as a person.
Could Erik be recreated? Probably. Whatever programming that went into the "synthodrone personality upgrades" that led to Erik, might be stored somewhere on Drakken's computer system. I'm not sure how synthodrones are supposed to work.
In the early battle of the 840s versus Shego, Drakken turned them all off at once with some form of remote control. Could he have done this to Erik? I don't know. It would be a good safeguard to prevent a Bebe-like rebellion. Erik's pretty formidable, but the smallest piercing of synthodrone skin is enough to cause a hemorrhage of synthogoo that completely deflates the synthodrone and "terminates operation." He doesn't give this response when Rufus bites him, however. He cries "oh no!" like a villain defeated.
Looks like Drakken and his team finally created an artificial intelligence that performed as desired. Now if he can translate this into the programming of a robotic brain, we're all in serious trouble.
My vote? I guess I'm right on the fence, uncertain where to draw the line.
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 26, 2005 11:20:47 GMT -5
Wow what a long post
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Post by ai on Jul 26, 2005 11:24:27 GMT -5
when Erick is fighting whit ron he say`s that he waslaying about rufus and rufus, and he thogth that rufus is roses!so i think that this show that Eric has sentiments and artificial inteligence(because he can think by himshelf)...so he can be consifered a villan too
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 26, 2005 11:42:52 GMT -5
He is a Villain evreyone HATE HIM ALOT
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Post by aliciamartin on Jul 26, 2005 12:03:23 GMT -5
i picked the 2nd one to  |
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Post by jarmitc2032 on Jul 26, 2005 12:22:00 GMT -5
I picked the second one because they really did not go into how human eric was. If any part of him was human.
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Post by azzie on Jul 26, 2005 14:12:03 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]He would be a mere drone, if Drakken hadn't put so much effort into giving him a human personality, this gives his self-awareness and a sense of his ability, which in turn gives him the power and the desire to do evil.[/glow]
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Post by Cid on Jul 26, 2005 14:22:12 GMT -5
Obviously he is...........Thats all i got to say
/Cid
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Post by ronkstoppable on Jul 26, 2005 15:32:03 GMT -5
Some people might say that an evil tool is still just a tool. Yeah, but it's also still EVIL! Eric, or however you wanna spell it, was an evil robot made out of evil parts designed to do evil. However, that doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility that he's based on a human "template".
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Post by zoza on Jul 26, 2005 15:36:53 GMT -5
He was an evil, but still a tool. Can a tool, no matter how evil, be a villain in it's own right? I don't know... I'm more undecided now that I've read some of the other side's replies.
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Post by ronkstoppable on Jul 26, 2005 16:36:08 GMT -5
Well, it probably doesn't help that I'm totally biased against Eric in every way imaginable. But that's just personal reasons, y'know.
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Post by Forlong on Jul 26, 2005 19:52:42 GMT -5
Now, what about the Bebes? They're consitered villains aren't they? What's the differance between them and Erik?
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 26, 2005 19:54:38 GMT -5
Well Eric is like Ted from Buffy he's not a villain but he was robot
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Post by Porphyria_Kris on Jul 27, 2005 3:20:04 GMT -5
He was a tool... but at the end in the final battle he seemed to be enjoying himself way too much. I think it's kind of like Hal from the X-files... he was only meant to be a tool, but there seemed to be some genuine sentience there at the end. That distressed "Oh NO!!!" at the end seemed awfully genuine as well...
I'm kind of on the fence myself, but leaning more towards yes.
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Post by Darth Vader 9000 on Jul 27, 2005 8:07:04 GMT -5
Well Eric and Ted got destord at the end both of them horrble
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