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Post by nabusan on Jul 2, 2007 7:02:09 GMT -5
Omg, that's such an amazingly melting kiss!
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jul 2, 2007 7:23:32 GMT -5
The episode itself was so amazing. I'm still in shock.
I think what's shocking the most is that Monkey Fist is gone. As I watched it before I went to bed I was, "I can't believe he's gone." Which is the same reaction I had for the death of Half Blood Prince.
I guess it's because that storyline went so long, it started September 13, 2002 and it ended... amazingly in a month with a Friday the 13th. I wish it had aired on a Friday the 13th to go full circle, but then again I probably have plans then.
I did really love this episode.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Jul 2, 2007 7:42:00 GMT -5
Did you see Ron!? No he didn't get to kick the booty but he was in agony over stone Kimmy. Just watchin him I was expecting him to open the very bowels of hell and raise up firey torrment on ol' Monkey Fist. It was a very emotional episode, and the whole dash into each others arms and kiss, just makes you see how crazy they are about each other. That was no just I was worried about you dash and kiss, there was a desperate need in that short sequence. I really was expecting Ron to bend time and space or something as upset as he was. Yeah, I was saying 'If anyone knows not to made Ron angry, it's monkey fist.' Basicly, I was saying monty made a mistake. Ron DEFINITLY would go for revenge right there. Wonder why his MMP didn't kick in? Mabye using it for Revenge disables it? Perhaps, but in Exchange he was able to tap the power even deeper because of anger towards Fukushima. Ron did had a surge of anger in that moment in Oh No Yono but was it due to the fact that his feelings were more evilish that the MMP didn't activate properly? He did say that line after that, which pretty much is the justification from the creators in some aspects, it's just due to plot issues. Desides, didn't Evil Ron also use the MMP even more efficiently than Good Ron.
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Post by eddieursa on Jul 2, 2007 7:45:55 GMT -5
Somebody have any other screencap from the episode besides the one of the kiss?. The waiting for screencaps is killing me, seriously. (I'm not related with Motor Ed).
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Post by mike on Jul 2, 2007 7:48:55 GMT -5
Actually Evil Ron only used the MMP on its Kung Fu side... But Good Ron has displayed it with superhuman strengths, just like in Exchange.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2007 7:59:30 GMT -5
Absolutely amazing episode! 5 out of 5. Easily one of the best episodes of the entire series, it's going to be a hard one to top. *High quality screencaps ahead!* This is one episode where we get to see some of the most character development on Ron's part (at least in this season). His interactions with Hana are both heartwarming and near-heartbreaking at the same time. Monkey Fist's fate was quite a surprise, where he kinda had it coming, but I still felt pretty bad for him, even if he seemed more sinister than ever in this episode. It was an interesting dark twist to close the Monkey Fist storyline that doesn't go unjustified. His sinking into the ground is probably the most dramatic scene of the series. It leaves the arc open just enough, to where he could be resurrected like Yono was, and end up fulfilling his destiny as one of the most powerful beings in the world. But for now, he is laid to rest. And of course, the kiss between our favorite heroes was a great bonus, and was proven to be essential in a dark storyline such as this one. Does anyone think it seemed a little more intimate, being they were on their knees at the time? Something I didn't catch until the third viewing. Their relationship has really grown since the season began.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Jul 2, 2007 8:07:32 GMT -5
Actually Evil Ron only used the MMP on its Kung Fu side... But Good Ron has displayed it with superhuman strengths, just like in Exchange. Exactly, but this time Ron didn't even use it's Kung-Fu knowledge. And since that quote which followed it pretty much self justifies the situation then we have to say it's simply because of plot issues. A pitty I know, but lets hope the finalle can perhaps compensate this partially.
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Post by nabusan on Jul 2, 2007 9:11:15 GMT -5
Will, I absolutely love you and your iTunes season pass! Those caps look FAB! If you got a desktop screencapture thing - you could have DVD quality episodes!
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 2, 2007 9:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by nabusan on Jul 2, 2007 10:00:51 GMT -5
God, they'll make amazing parents.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jul 2, 2007 10:07:22 GMT -5
They're so perfect. It just blows my mind.
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Post by wallaceb on Jul 2, 2007 10:14:28 GMT -5
i am at work right now and have no way of getting caps up, but i am hoping tonight.
and will, those caps are great!
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Post by airwalker on Jul 2, 2007 10:20:14 GMT -5
Excellent episode! I especially like that the KP production team was willing to go as far as they did in darkening the tone in the second half of the episode. Though I will say that sitting through the episode I kept thinking that the only thing that "hurts" the entire story is the fact that it had to fit into a 22 minutes. The plot seems to me like it could have fit well into an hour long special/movie, especially in the second half with the emotion and fight scenes.
MonkeyFist - On the one hand it seems a bit harsh to "kill" him the way they did but on the other hand its pretty much the only way to keep him from going after Hana now that he knows she's a ninja baby-weapon. As for his ultimate fate, well that is part of the risk in playing with mystical items when you don't have any instructions to go on. It was inevitable that sooner or later he was going to get burned playing with magic. That said, I think that Monkeyfist's malevolent tone really amped up here - to be honest, for the last couple appearances he was pretty much played as a joke than a major threat and that is reversed here. I would have liked though a final fight between him and Ron; Monkeyfist was his arch-foe after all.
Yamanouchi and Hana - At first I was wondering why Sensei didn't just outright tell Ron that he needed Hana to be a Stoppable so Ron could train her. But when the episode was over Sensei's not telling Ron made much more sense. If Ron had known that he was supposed to train Hana then he probably would have freaked out to the point where he wouldn't be able to teach her anything useful. And of course if she had learned basic martial arts then she wouldn't have been able to defeat the Yono - he completely defeated everyone who attacked him with basic martial arts or ninja magic; Yono was thrown off by her using the RonFactor. (Its also a bit funny that Kim's babysitting advise was completely wrong and that if Ron hadn't ignored her then they might have really been defeated here - she did tell him that not every moment has to be a "learning experience" when dealing with Hana.)
Yori and Hana - Is Hana her sister? Its possible though given that all the truth about the situation was coming out it wouldn't really make sense for Yori to keep that secret. What purpose would it really serve? I'm inclined to think that Yori and Hana are sisters more in the Japanese manga-ish schoolgirl onei-chan/onei-sama relationship than in any blood connection.
Comedy - The mystery and comedy of the first half really fit well; Kim's disbelief until everything started to fall into line with Ron's explanation was funny. You'd think by now that she'd figure that his over the top approach to explaining everything tends to be closer to the truth than any other method of explanation. And of course the ending credits clip where Ron finally gets even with his parents was very good.
Ron and Hana - It goes without saying that the entire interlude with Ron and Hana at Yamanouchi was touching. His freakout when Sensei tells him that Hana was sent to Ron so she could be trained was extremely powerful - you could see the possibility of her getting hurt because he couldn't and hadn't (at least from his view up to that point) teach her anything was really hurting him. And of course then the RonFactor once again kicks in and saves the day. Oh, and how touching was the point where Hana started calling Ron "Brother"?!
I was a little disappointed that he and Monkeyfist didn't have a final battle to themselves while Hana and Yono were "fighting". Ron's Monkey powers only seem to kick in when its absolutely necessary and there are no other alternatives (i.e. there's nobody else to help him which explains why they didn't work here - Hana is still available to help him). Though I'm closer to figuring that the powers are linked to his confidence level which is why they work well when he's Zorpox but why they didn't pop up here - even though he's practically alone which should kick in his powers, you could see in his expression that he's consumed with worrying about his sisters safety. So like Starfire's superstrength in Teen Titans, without "Boundless Confidence" he's stuck without MMP. (The lack of Monkeyfist/Ron fight, Yori's absence at this point, etc. is part of what makes me feel that this episode could have used a few more minutes here and there - there's a lot of plot and action to process but not enough time given how short episodes are.)
The Kiss - There's nothing I can say about it that hasn't already been said. It worked very well in that it helps to lighten up what had been for the previous couple of minutes before a pretty dark moment.
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Post by FarAwayGirl on Jul 2, 2007 10:34:11 GMT -5
I thought that for KP this was a surprizingly dark, dramatic and yet very sweet episode. I really liked ron in it. He really came through as a big brother. Love is an important aspect of good tv shows and that dosn't always mean it has to be "Romantic" love. I thought it was also very dramtic with the whole Kim and Rufus turning to stone and all that. And I can't believe what happened to Monkey Fist. Somehow though I think they'll bring him back in the finaly.
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Post by manicspike on Jul 2, 2007 10:48:15 GMT -5
I was watching the Hana Flippie sequence again, that tune sounds a little like "Lahaina" heh.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Jul 2, 2007 11:01:05 GMT -5
Piratess I have to disagree with your coments about the darker tone not fitting with Kim Possible I think it did fit. In fact I loved the dark tone of this episode, heck I hope the finale is even darker. That's fine if you disagree. I still stand by my opinion. Everyone and their dog in fanfiction has written the freakishly dark KP fic, so much that it is almost a stereotype. The show had always had a bounce about it that kept it fresh and original. Having it go fanficy dark is still disappointing for me. I hate it when people write according to the fans' wishes, too. Ye gods, who gave it a 4? *pokes them* And I'm really surprised that so many Americans didn't see the ep. Shame on thee! Unless you had an unavoidable thingy happenin' at the time. Wow, I'm the first person to not give this episode full points. *feels almost guilty. Almost* Sorry, but it was only a 4/5 from me. Which is not bad by any means. I really did like this episode. I feel so betrayed! ;D
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jul 2, 2007 11:15:23 GMT -5
I love that "la la la la" music. I dunno what it is. I think I annoyed my mom when I sung along when we watched the episode.
This episode gave me the epic feel I've always wanted.
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Post by DP on Jul 2, 2007 11:36:26 GMT -5
Ooh, I love how at the end, Ron got back at his parents for all the times they've pulled the "This is our way of telling you" stunt. Go Ron!
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Post by Ashfangirl20 on Jul 2, 2007 12:10:50 GMT -5
Ooh, I love how at the end, Ron got back at his parents for all the times they've pulled the "This is our way of telling you" stunt. Go Ron! I saw that, I was all you go Ron man! Boo-Yah I give the episode a perfect 5/5 it was amazing, no it was better than amazing it was fantastic. I coudln't think of any other way to describe it.
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Post by maetch on Jul 2, 2007 12:16:52 GMT -5
Meh... It was a Yamanouchi episode, which is my least favorite type. At least now that Monkey Fist is gone, that little subplot is pretty much done.
Also, I'm having even further doubts that there's gonna be a fifth season. See, Monkey Fist was such a major villain. Removing a major villain like him usually signifies the end of a series.
Not that this should stop you from fighting for a S5, you obsessed fans, you.
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