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Post by steffrox on Sept 21, 2007 17:35:43 GMT -5
it was cute when they were friends and all but i like the kim and shego nemisis status, they have better and wittier interaction that way
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Post by cadmus on Sept 21, 2007 21:12:40 GMT -5
What really disappoints me was Warhok's portrayal in part 2. After the build up in part 1, the story had me in the palm of its hand. Warhok was being portrayed as a serious threat, but the minute that blasted off-switch came into play Warhok's mystique came to a halt, like a can of bleach getting poured into a gas tank. Why did we need that off switch, all that stupid off switch did was portray Warhok as if he were like any other KP villain (something a villain with his limited exposure should NOT have been treated as given the circumstances). In other words it made Warhok feel like a part of the system, instead of being portrayed as a villain that was beyond the system. I also feel like Warhok should've talked a lot less, to reserve some of that mystique he gained from the buildup in part one. In the end Warhok, as a villain was a gamble; in the sense that his characterization was going to be judged as if he were the real deal or not. Me I stand some where in the middle, if the episode absolutely nailed Warhok I think we would've had an absolute belter, instead it was merely a good finale. I'm wondering if Disney wanted them to tone down on Warhok for the sake of comedy, it happened once with A Sitch In Time, Part 3 (where Steve Loter wanted it to be a big battle episode). It might have happened here, to a certain degree.
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Post by DP on Sept 21, 2007 21:28:24 GMT -5
What really disappoints me was Warhok's portrayal in part 2. After the build up in part 1, the story had me in the palm of its hand. Warhok was being portrayed as a serious threat, but the minute that blasted off-switch came into play Warhok's mystique came to a halt, like a can of bleach getting poured into a gas tank. Why did we need that off switch, all that stupid off switch did was portray Warhok as if he were like any other KP villain (something a villain with his limited exposure should NOT have been treated as given the circumstances). In other words it made Warhok feel like a part of the system, instead of being portrayed as a villain that was beyond the system. I also feel like Warhok should've talked a lot less, to reserve some of that mystique he gained from the buildup in part one. Again, we don't know that Warhok is the one who installed the off-switch. I agree with you though on Warhok's portrayal. Even though I felt he was awesome, I also felt that he and Warmonga were portrayed as being equally as threatening, and that the focus was not focused on either one of them, but was equal for both. Since Warmonga already got her own episode, it would have been better if they focused more on Warhok. But I still did think he had some awesome moments, like when he said, "Did you really think advanced Lorwardian technology could be destroyed by flowers and children?" That line had me genuinely shivering in fear. He rocks.
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Post by Malory Evolent on Sept 21, 2007 23:21:15 GMT -5
I just wrote this huge thing and an error occured and I don't feel like typing it again right now.......I'll do it later. It said I wasn't allowed to post on this thread.............then what am I doing now?
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Post by DP on Sept 21, 2007 23:25:19 GMT -5
I just wrote this huge thing and an error occured and I don't feel like typing it again right now.......I'll do it later. It said I wasn't allowed to post on this thread.............then what am I doing now? Woah, that is bizarre. You might wanna make a thread in the questions/comments/suggestions section about that. I hope you saved your huge thing.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Sept 22, 2007 0:52:03 GMT -5
I guess they didn't want to completely ignore an already established character in favor of the new alien dude.
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Sept 23, 2007 12:29:56 GMT -5
I just wrote this huge thing and an error occured and I don't feel like typing it again right now.......I'll do it later. It said I wasn't allowed to post on this thread.............then what am I doing now? probably a glitch, mine has done that before in the introduction section...
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Post by swenlin on Sept 24, 2007 0:00:50 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great!
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 24, 2007 0:16:03 GMT -5
Seriously I can't believe disney would not do a d-com. Graduation seems like it would have been more epic if it had a d-com. It still was a 5/5. K/R were so beautiful in it. I just think as you said it needed to be a feature.
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Post by DP on Sept 24, 2007 0:30:36 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! That is simply amazing! Thank you so much for telling us that! And what's freakier is that I had been speculating something along the lines of that all along.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 24, 2007 6:36:21 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! *mind is blown* ...Whoa, and I'm not even a Monkey Fist folk... Dang it, WHY COULDN'T DISNEY GIVE THIS 30 MORE MINUTES?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???*cries*
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Post by mrpotty on Sept 24, 2007 7:57:55 GMT -5
Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. This reminds me of something that I speculated back in July ;D
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Post by Alexlayer on Sept 24, 2007 14:54:26 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! Man, I would have SO loved this! It's great! It's the greatest plot EVER!! The episode would have been 10 times better!!! The only question I got to ask about all this is, what role would Shego have been playing? Part of the earth-resistance along with her brothers? Or would she have still go to rescue Drakken and Kim?
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 24, 2007 14:59:56 GMT -5
By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. I'm glad you feel that way. While the MF concept is interesting, it would indeed have drawn the focus away from where it belonged. The story that ultimately aired rocked. BTW, while I would have loved another film, I think that the 44 minute constraint really served to focus the story telling. The finale took off from the start and didn't slow down until the last credit rolled.
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Post by Sarah Ashley T. on Sept 24, 2007 20:33:25 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! AWWWWWWW <3 Well, thankyou for telling us that... it makes me very very happy =) I wish it could've happened, but... oh well. I still laughed so hard at his cameo in the finale =D xoxo Sarah
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Sept 24, 2007 21:24:25 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! Wow, thank you for sharing that! Darn disney for not giving us a D-com! Or at least 30 stinkin' more minutes This would have had me breaking out the tissues and popcorn (with a story plan this grand, one would would have to expect a tear-up moment somewhere, right?) I just hope that you get to use this sort of idea in another one of your projects, like an unofficial tribute to Monty
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Post by Redquill on Sept 25, 2007 1:58:52 GMT -5
Alright, Monkey Fist Folk, prepare to have your minds blown!!!! When Tom and I were wrestling with the two-parter a really big issue was how to service all these different characters while moving the action and emotional story forward. For a long time, the action of the second half was taking place in two different theaters simultaneously and the idea was to cut back and forth between Kim and Drakken battling the aliens up in the ship and the rest of earth battling down on the ground. Our heroes would only be victorious if both arenas were won. So the ground troops were divided into various attack teams (one of which was Barkin in camo, leading the pixie scouts!) Anyway, there was a brief moment in time when the following variation of that scenario was being kicked around: The ground battle was a loss, our heroes simply didn't have the fighting power to stop the Quad-pods. They seemed to be out of options, or were they? Was there possibly a force of unsurpassed power that could destroy the Quad Pods? It would require luring all the alien war machines into a single location and ambushing them, but with what...? Cut to: Simian Valley as Ron, Yori and Sensei make their way to a familiar location, dust off a ring buried in the ground and tug... unearthing the Shrine of the Yono and... Monkey Fist! I was thinking of going a "Gandalf the White" route with him, or at least allowing him to redeem himself of the Yono curse through his contribution towards saving the planet. It was never my intention to unearth Monkey Fist after the end of Yono, but then later on down the line, I did actually pitch this idea early on in the development of the Graduation story. It ultimately didn't gain any traction because we were already trying to figure out a way to simplify the earth stuff without adding any more characters. Also, it gave Monty far too large a role in what, ultimately, wasn't his story. Maybe if it had been a three parter or feature length story, but as it was, there just wasn't room for that kind of development. By the time Tom and I were off the story, they still hadn't solved the riddle on how to simplify the second half, but they ultimately did that by merely focusing on our four lead characters, which I endorse 100% as the right way to have gone. Anyway, for all you Fist fans, I thought you'd enjoy knowing that we did at least think of him. I think his ultimate cameo over the end credits is great! That is amazing. Thanks for the insider info. I am sure everyone appriciates it. I know I do. I would have loved to see Barkin charging with the Pixie Scouts, instead of Cringing in the auditorium
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Post by Tanith L on Sept 27, 2007 12:54:44 GMT -5
it rocked. barkin saved the world?! Flowery drakken! Totally cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonnie and Junior, They're are actually cute together! MMP rocks! Warhok looks so evil and sinister... he rocks.I love him........ Yeah! Hooray!!!!
It was so reminiscent of grease!!!!! Yes!!! yes! yes!
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Post by kpfan5678 on Sept 28, 2007 20:14:24 GMT -5
I cried when I saw this in the promo:
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Post by cadmus on Sept 30, 2007 14:11:31 GMT -5
Another thing that gets on my nerves is that we're given no realistic closure to Ron's concerns about Kim and college. Considering that this was the best part of the 2-parter (and the concern was dragged out through the entire 2-parter), I thought it was criminal that we didn't get any on screen closure for it.
I mean it could've been something as simple as Ron's parents giving him his college acceptance letters as a graduation present. And their excuse for not giving them to him would've been, "This is our way of telling you." Then he would tell Kim about the acceptance letters, and figures out that Kim has been accepted to the same schools that Ron has. Then you go to the ending song and the GREASE ending. Then bam perfect ending.
But instead we got nothing, (like Spider-Man TAS final episode Farewell Spider-Man) a great finale is held down by not getting the ending it deserved. I know it sounds whiny, and maybe it wouldn't have been such a big deal if Ron's concerns weren't as dragged out as much as they were. But I think we should've got something resembling closure on screen. If it meant getting rid of the Killigan's Island gag (as funny as it was) for the sake of getting on screen closure than so be it.
I know it might not get on everyones nerves, but it still gets on mine.
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