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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Feb 1, 2006 16:34:40 GMT -5
well, it's not too hard - I mean, Kim's under 17 and Drakken is an adult. No matter how you argue it, it falls within the parameters of the policy and thus is open to deletion by the admins of the website.
*shrugs*
seriously, it's not hard to fathom...
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 1, 2006 17:03:51 GMT -5
The Following G-rated Screencaps Apparently Violate Deviant Art's Policy1. Minors depicted without clothing, front view, back view, or side view, with genitalia and/or breasts visible or not. 8. No Child Nudity: Images of children or characters resembling children (including teens, pre adolescent, child like fairies and other imaginary figures) resembling, or stongly resembling, under 18 years of age. 4. Minors depicted in a sexual or 'alluring' pose (dressed or undressed). =========== In my opinion, pretty paranoid for a site with a "fetish photography" section.
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Post by surforst on Feb 1, 2006 17:13:35 GMT -5
Hm...I think we come back to the fact that it's an illegal act occurring in the pics with Drakken and Kim getting together. In the end people still see Kim as 17 or under and that makes her off limits for people like Drakken and Shego for that matter. My guess is that would probably be the reason for the delete after all if it had been Ron in that bed no one would have cared. In fact I'm sure a lot of people would have been cheering for our blond headed friend.
In the end it just comes down to the fact that Drakkim is not a main stream ship and most people don't like it. That would be why in the end it was deleted, plus legal matters of course, though the pic with Kim cheating on Ron is definitely the more questionable of the two. That was just plain wrong...though funny. ;D
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Feb 1, 2006 17:14:44 GMT -5
*sighs*
I give up...
and I'm outta here.
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Post by fazhou on Feb 1, 2006 17:48:06 GMT -5
Again, it's not the nudity that's the problem here, it's that Kim is underage.
There's one thing that bothers me, though, is that there's a double-standard between Drakken and Ron. People point out how wrong it is when it's between Drakken and Kim, but why do I sense that when it's depicted between Ron and Kim, or even Shego and Kim, that it's more acceptable? I mean, if Kim is underage and not old enough to "know better" when it involves Drakken (hence, statutory rape), does she suddenly grow a different brain when she's with Ron, and he's off the hook?
One could argue that in Ron's case he's also underage, but does that really make it more "right"? The issue can't be about Ron's age because he's an imaginary character and not a real person, but rather what messages we send when we depict these characters?
Gahh...I'm starting to re-evaluate the whole "Pregnant Kim" thing.
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Post by surforst on Feb 1, 2006 18:00:16 GMT -5
There's one thing that bothers me, though, is that there's a double-standard between Drakken and Ron. People point out how wrong it is when it's between Drakken and Kim, but why do I sense that when it's depicted between Ron and Kim, or even Shego and Kim, that it's more acceptable? I mean, if Kim is underage and not old enough to "know better" when it involves Drakken (hence, statutory rape), does she suddenly grow a different brain when she's with Ron, and he's off the hook? Actually it makes a lot of difference when two characters are the same age or there about. When Kim and Ron get together we all feel good but when Drakken and Kim get together it raises certain flags. After all Drakken is old enough to be her father and that is just plain wrong. Not to sound like I support censorship after all you don't have to view the images but I do understand where people are coming from when they do object to this. The fact is the same should be applied to Kigo though. If Drakkim is censored due to Drakken be too old for Kim then frankly Kigo should be too. Censor one you should censor the other and keep everyone one ticked off. That would solve that problem after all. Though leave the Kim/Ron thing alone after all those two kids are in love. It's a nice thing. ;D
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Post by JuPMod on Feb 1, 2006 18:08:12 GMT -5
Gahh...I'm starting to re-evaluate the whole "Pregnant Kim" thing. Okay, I'm confused as to what does the 'pregnant Kim' art have to do with the topic of this thread at hand. Goofmore took off his art on his own with nothing to do with DA taking it off for him. There are many other pregnant Kim art on DA and they are all okay. Kim is not suppose to be minor in these art but an adult, and she wasn't nude or anything. So I can't see why 'Pregnant Kim' would give off bad vibes with people if she is suppose to be an adult in those art. If people could only see a minor all the time, then I wonder how could anyone even bother to feel okay with fanfics of adult Kim.
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Post by fazhou on Feb 1, 2006 18:08:46 GMT -5
Actually it makes a lot of difference when two characters are the same age or there about. When Kim and Ron get together we all feel good but when Drakken and Kim get together it raises certain flags. After all Drakken is old enough to be her father and that is just plain wrong. Not to sound like I support censorship after all you don't have to view the images but I do understand where people are coming from when they do object to this. The fact is the same should be applied to Kigo though. If Drakkim is censored due to Drakken be too old for Kim then frankly Kigo should be too. Censor one you should censor the other and keep everyone one ticked off. That would solve that problem after all. Though leave the Kim/Ron thing alone after all those two kids are in love. It's a nice thing. ;D Exactly. It's really dangerous to show the characters in a sexual way, regardless of the pairing.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 1, 2006 18:16:41 GMT -5
Very much so.
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Post by fazhou on Feb 1, 2006 19:23:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'm confused as to what does the 'pregnant Kim' art have to do with the topic of this thread at hand. Because of the implication of underage sex. Personally, I thought Goofmore's drawing was adorable and it showed Kim and Ron together in a loving relationship and I saw nothing objectionable in it. We all know he meant Kim to be an adult married to Ron. However, I'm sure it's very hard to draw cartoon characters who are, say, 19 years old distinguished from that of 17 years old, and one DA member viewed his drawing of Kim as her being underage, and thus began the controversy. Richard Sirois has been attacked for similar reasons...he probably meant to show Kim as over 18, but someone just stopping by wouldn't know that for sure, especially if the official description of Kim is "high school sophomore."
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Post by JuPMod on Feb 1, 2006 19:30:57 GMT -5
Which is stupid IMO, given S4 is likely to be at the end of Kim and Ron's junior year and/or into their senior year. So how could people still think they are sophomores and didn't age?
I don't like people who think the Archie symdrome with KP. It shows they can't accept characters age and grow.
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Post by teztor123 on Feb 1, 2006 19:51:13 GMT -5
Kim certainly has aged but not aged enough. At the begining of her senior year - she is probably 17 or so.
I've seen pic's on DA of Kim nude. Which is a violation of the DA rules as stated but ... the pictures probably haven't been reported.
One thing about KP, is that the Admin's may have no idea who she is unless someone complains and tells them.
Also, as mentioned in their rules - things are done at the discretion of the admin making the judgement.
Thus, the pictures Cloudmonet showed - may either not have had anyone complain about them or the admin didn't interpret them that way.
Clearly, the picture of childhood Kim in the tub violates the letter of their rules.
But, while I think most of us would feel that KP's LBD is 'alluring' they might have just let that go.
Mostly, admin's are in the position of trying to keep their board out of trouble. They are going to be a lot stricter than they have to be because dealing with lawyers or law enforcement in any way shape or form is something they want nothing to do with. If it's got the potential to cause them trouble - and someone brings it to their attention ... someone who might bring it to the attention of some 'authority' - it's gone.
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 1, 2006 20:11:30 GMT -5
That's what captions are for! If they'd read goofmore's caption, there would have been no issue, as the same guy had no issue with my picture, which clearly states that they're married and older. Really, there's little distinguishing 17 year old Kim from her mother, who's about 43!
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Post by Levelord on Feb 1, 2006 20:14:28 GMT -5
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 1, 2006 20:20:49 GMT -5
Er, you missed my whole point in showing those pictures. Those aren't deviations, my friend, or fan art of any sort, and aren't on anyone's deviant Art page. They're actual screenshots from G-rated Kim Possible episodes (Blush and Emotion Sickness) which by the Deviant Art standards quoted by Aers would in fact be policy violations!
If screenshots from a G-rated cartoon amount to policy violations, what does that say about the policy?
Now I doubt that they'd actually censor pictures closely resembling either of these screenshots, but the way the policy is worded, they could.
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 1, 2006 20:25:01 GMT -5
Oops, look out, Levelord. Those (unlike DrakkenFan's) violate Ron Stoppable's rules. Bear buttes get deleted around here.
The first one's a definite DA violation, unless the artist is gonna argue she's still a high school senior, but over 18. The other one, uncertain.
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Post by ultimatenacotoppin on Feb 1, 2006 20:25:22 GMT -5
Ah!!! Eyes burning. I know you like to do things for shock value but, little bit of a warning next time, buddy.
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Post by Levelord on Feb 1, 2006 20:29:53 GMT -5
Whoops. Sorry there I thought that the warning on the topic itself was kinda enuff.. you know the title: "{pg-13} Deviant Art deleted my art again "
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Post by mattb3671 on Feb 1, 2006 20:33:22 GMT -5
I'm always surprised that I haven't been boosted both on DA and FF.net. The age of Kim, Ron, Brick, and Monique in my stories is 17. Go figure. Just because it words, and not pics maybe. You're most likely dealing with a whiner who doesn't like Drakkim. I don't like it, but I would never bust someone's chops for it. That's just wrong.
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 1, 2006 21:16:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Levelord! Now I had to check out MJBivouac's whole gallery, where I saw, um, a lot of Velma and Daphne! Who knows how old they were ever supposed to be!
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