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Post by zaratan on May 15, 2006 15:46:14 GMT -5
And what really gets me is how fast they move on this, yet twizzle999's theft of Rich's work has been sitting there nicely for a month and a half now, despite the fact that at least 5 poeple, myself included, have filed complaints to have it removed from this person's page.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2006 16:11:41 GMT -5
My pic was a screen cap from a computer game. They told me I needed permission to post it - I got permission - and then they told me they didn't allow screen caps ... Idiots ... When you first signed up for a DeviantART account, you agreed to their 'Terms of Service', stating that you would abide by their rules. It says clearly: "All users should be aware that the submission of plain or “cleared off” third party wallpapers, video game screenshots, and still frames from television programs or motion pictures will be considered violations of our copyright policy." And what really gets me is how fast they move on this, yet twizzle999's theft of Rich's work has been sitting there nicely for a month and a half now, despite the fact that at least 5 poeple, myself included, have filed complaints to have it removed from this person's page. Wow... I just looked at that person's page, I can't believe how stupid some people can be. It's no wonder Rich stopped doing KP art. He does something that everyone can enjoy, then a select few have to ruin it for him. It wouldn't be so bad if the person didn't actually say he/she drew the picture. Now he has watermarks in the center of his images, and I gotta say, I really don't blame him for doing so. He's an excellent artist, who sadly gets the short end of the stick. |
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Post by drakkenfan on May 15, 2006 16:13:10 GMT -5
I had one of my pictures deleted right after a little confrontation with a guy Drakkenfan had had a confrontation with too - and I suspect he went around to each persons site and complained about them to DA. The coincidence of them deleting pic's from both our sites right after that is what makes me think so. But I've no way to prove that. I don't recall having a confrontation with any guy... Who was that you're talking about? Maybe you know who's deleting my art? |
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Post by teztor123 on May 17, 2006 6:25:13 GMT -5
Drakkenfan - you've got a PM. My pic was a screen cap from a computer game. They told me I needed permission to post it - I got permission - and then they told me they didn't allow screen caps ... Idiots ... When you first signed up for a DeviantART account, you agreed to their 'Terms of Service', stating that you would abide by their rules. It says clearly: "All users should be aware that the submission of plain or “cleared off” third party wallpapers, video game screenshots, and still frames from television programs or motion pictures will be considered violations of our copyright policy. The first problem I had with these guys - is - how did the one and only picture I had posted - come to their attention? If you look at their site - Screen Caps are common place. They are all over that site. Now ... like most people ... I didn't read all the fine details of their Terms of Service. Nor did I read the 512 (or about that number) of FAQ's that would have told me I couldn't post screen caps. But - obviously - neither did all those other people who were posting screen caps. Why was I singled out? Possibly I wasn't. But the coincidence with the incident I mentioned makes me think I was. Still - if they'd just told me - NO Screen Caps - I wouldn't have cared. The second problem, the one that really bugs me - is that these idiots - TOLD ME - I needed to get permission. Not that I couldn't have screen caps - that I needed permission. I specifically asked them "Are you saying I can't post Screen Caps?" There response was - you have to get permission. So - I went to the trouble to GET permission - and then these clowns come back with - "Oh - no screen caps." Well ... if they'd just answered my very specific question - I'd have not bothered the people at the computer game to get permission. But NO. These idiots didn't even know their own rules. How the heck am I supposed to know them if they don't? It's the fact that I specifically asked them about Screen Caps - and they didn't say NO then. If they had - I wouldn't have cared. But to go to the trouble of bothering the people at the game company and actually getting permission - THEN having these idiots tell me I couldn't do it - that gripes me. . . . |
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Post by Levelord on May 17, 2006 6:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on May 17, 2006 14:39:38 GMT -5
which is why I wonder why anyone continues to post controversial art there.
get your own webpage and stop putting it there, then whining when it gets pulled down.
sheesh.
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Post by Panther on May 17, 2006 23:27:19 GMT -5
They delete Drakkenfan's stuff, yet they show pictures of naked women often ON THE MAIN PAGE.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2006 16:14:49 GMT -5
They delete Drakkenfan's stuff, yet they show pictures of naked women often ON THE MAIN PAGE. There is a difference, it's called "Artistic N u d e". Not a jab at Drakkenfan or anything, but what she draws is considered representing illegal activity: pedophilia. -EDIT- The first problem I had with these guys - is - how did the one and only picture I had posted - come to their attention? Do you think you're the only person who gets something removed because of a violation that you didn't know about? It's not like they're picking on you or anything, but more likely, someone made a complaint and they decided to just pull it off the site. Screen captures and screenshots from games are two different things. I have yet to see one other than ones used for people's desktops or to show the progress of their art with Photoshop or whatever it is they use for image editing. Screencaps like that are not in violation. I could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen... Could you give me a direct quote from what you asked them? If you asked "Can I post screencaps?", you asked the wrong question. A screencap can be of anything on the screen, but ones that depict games aren't allowed and it's stated in the TOS. It's the fact that you did agree to the terms, whether you read it or not. It's a lot like a contract, you can't just say, "Well, I didn't read it, so I shouldn't be charged that extra $500 interest." You agreed to it, and that's just how it works. I haven't read the terms either, but if I were to submit something that I wasn't sure about, you'd bet I'd check out the TOS before even asking them about it. Thataway, it would be assured it is within the privileges you've been given. So those were your exact words, well then no wonder they said you had to get permission. When asking stuff like this, you need to be more specific on what you're trying to say. Screencaps aren't just of games. I'm not going to resort to responding to this, because I'll just be repeating myself. Not that I'm all for the Deviantart or anything, but this kind of stuff needs to get cleared up. It's not about what you think is right, it's what they think is right. If you don't like what they are doing, don't use their service anymore. -EDIT #2- And what really gets me is how fast they move on this, yet twizzle999's theft of Rich's work has been sitting there nicely for a month and a half now, despite the fact that at least 5 poeple, myself included, have filed complaints to have it removed from this person's page. Follow up: At this moment, I'm trying to issue a ban on the person by contacting the Deviantart directly, instead of using the report system. |
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Post by Commander Argus on May 18, 2006 16:44:29 GMT -5
By using complaint based enforcement of their rules, DA basically allows lots of stuff that is clearly against their rules to stay up, while jerks use those rules to strike at people they dislike or don't agree with. No matter how many times Drakkenfan states her version of Kim is 18+, somebody out there will keep pointing out she's portrayed as a 15-16 (possibly 17) year old on the series and they'll dump it with *without hearing the other side*
It all comes down to somebody who finds the notion of Drakkim wrongsick (I do myself, but I live and let live) and uses the admins of DA as a weapon against her. That's whats wrong with this picture, there is no standard of enforcement other than complaint.
A large quantity of the stuff they honor as "Daily Deviations" and such, to me, is downright pornographic, not artistic.
Aers said people shouldn't use it if they want to post controversial stuff then use their own website. One, that very often exceeds the TOS of most hosts and two, there is less chance of reaching a wide enough audience or getting near-live feedback. I haven't updated my own website in months except to upload pictures that I show in other places mainly because it barely gets any traffic. I think that's one of the big reasons Cloudmonet started posting his fics on FF.net when they had been on his personal site for a while.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2006 17:17:29 GMT -5
By using complaint based enforcement of their rules, DA basically allows lots of stuff that is clearly against their rules to stay up, while jerks use those rules to strike at people they dislike or don't agree with. No matter how many times Drakkenfan states her version of Kim is 18+, somebody out there will keep pointing out she's portrayed as a 15-16 (possibly 17) year old on the series and they'll dump it with *without hearing the other side* It all comes down to somebody who finds the notion of Drakkim wrongsick (I do myself, but I live and let live) and uses the admins of DA as a weapon against her. That's whats wrong with this picture, there is no standard of enforcement other than complaint. That is very true, and it is quite a flawed way to enforce a site as large as the DA. If someone doesn't like what they see, all it takes is a the press of a button and the art could be taken down without hesitation from the staff. I too, find Drakkenfan's art to be disturbing and "wrongsick", but it's her art, so I could care less. Let her live in that fantasy, I got no problem with it. Only once have I used the report system, and that was against twizzle999 for her stealing of Rich's art, yet nothing gets done about it. But there will, I'm going to make sure of it. |
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