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Post by dracko19 on Aug 23, 2006 19:11:56 GMT -5
Guys and gals,
First off, I want to salute you. You have some amazing art talent and I applaud your various works from a purist standpoint.
I would like to say a few words about the themes. I just went through many of the "bunny" pics and the ding-dong/ho-ho thread. Don't you think we are kinda getting a little sleezy? I know nothing in here is "illegal" per se, but it just isn't feeling very "Disney" in here lately.
I worked very very hard when they promoted me to MOD trying to clean this place up. There were tons of pictures that just crossed the line that got purged and many threads removed. One of the reasons that Steve Loter cited as avoiding our forum was the amount of "sleeze" that was circulating on this board. With the addition of our other VIP's, I would be extremely dissappointed if they decided to stop visiting this forum because we are starting to cross the line again.
If you guys are just bored with the regular show and need a "theme", why don't you try designing some new clothes for the characters. New cheer outfits, new mission clothes, new battle suit for Kim. (or even other characters.) How bout some Bonnie/Tara outfits.
When I say "outfits", I'm talking about something I would actually SEE on the show...not something I might see them wearing in a strip club.
P.S. I'm not really crazy about the cross/gender pics (ron as a girl, etc.) but maybe that's a personal thing.
Ok, I'm off the soap box. Carry on.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 23, 2006 19:20:20 GMT -5
Thank you, Dracko. I was getting tired of the... exploiting of women.
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Post by nabusan on Aug 23, 2006 19:28:48 GMT -5
Thanks for giving us your two cents, dracko19. I agree with your points. Most of the Bunny pics should have stayed on DA. The first one going unchallenged made it okay for everyone else to post stuff. However, I'm quite fond of joemans ding-dong/ho-ho pic, so I won't comment on that one hehe.
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Post by wallaceb on Aug 23, 2006 19:59:23 GMT -5
thanks for the info there dracko
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Post by liokaiser on Aug 23, 2006 20:16:24 GMT -5
Well I know I was planning 2 more Bunny pics, though the last one was simply gonna be Shego Protesting against wearing it. Yeah, though truthfully I got into the flow cause of missing out on the LBD theme.
Though, had some other ideas, working on Halloween pics already for one. (well just got Kim's done already, it's been done before, thinking about some other outfits.)
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Post by Levelord on Aug 23, 2006 20:43:07 GMT -5
I was kinda thinking the same thing because we have VIPs here. But I never knew they visited the forum until after I made my thread. That's why I stopped updating my bunny thread and began updating my DA journal instead.
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Post by nabusan on Aug 23, 2006 20:52:20 GMT -5
I think Levelord meant well by posting SFToon's Bunny Kim, that wasn't sleazy at all IMO. When it got to Terra's bondage Kim, then I thought - wha-uh-oh.
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Post by Terra on Aug 23, 2006 23:41:47 GMT -5
I have to admit that i were in a weird mood when i made those bondage pics. My bad . I think i'm going back to K/R theme.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Aug 23, 2006 23:52:07 GMT -5
Notice how no one voices their actual opinion until Drako/mod actually said something about it? Have we all become blind 'Yes Men?' As far as the bunny theme, well it got out of hand, but honestly who didn't expect that to happen, Really? It's basically the playboy bunny outfit she is wearing, of course it'd turn into something along the lines of Playboy-ish.
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Post by Avenger on Aug 24, 2006 2:39:20 GMT -5
I haven't really visited the Fan Art boards, like, at all. So, wasn't aware of the problem.
In general, I'm not in favor of anything that is way out of character. Which includes all the "ships" everyone is so in love with. And I have said that before. I think. I know I said it to someone. Somewhere.
They are not our characters, so try to treat them with a little bit of respect and dignity.
Unless it's something really, really hilarious. ;D
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Post by PossibleKim on Aug 24, 2006 7:10:32 GMT -5
Daniel here
Actually Possiblekim and I started to noticed that too therefore, we kinda of stop doing some art. I mean, she is really not happy to see a bondage Kim.
Anyway, she said she had been busy and she had something to show you guys. Another comic. Check it out. He like to thank Commander Argus for the idea (Something to do with the thermonuclear pizza I think)
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 24, 2006 8:40:04 GMT -5
Notice how no one voices their actual opinion until Drako/mod actually said something about it? Have we all become blind 'Yes Men?' As far as the bunny theme, well it got out of hand, but honestly who didn't expect that to happen, Really? It's basically the playboy bunny outfit she is wearing, of course it'd turn into something along the lines of Playboy-ish. I kinda sorta voiced my opinion, but when guys are exploiting girls, do they really care what the girls have to say?
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Post by Mr. Dubois a.k.a IvyMae on Aug 24, 2006 11:31:19 GMT -5
Ok... I appologise. I suppose since eveybody else was doing it, I did it too without even asking myself if anyone would find offense to my drawings. So yeah, now I feel bad, I'm sorry.
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Post by JuPMod on Aug 24, 2006 12:13:18 GMT -5
Why are people bothering with these Political Correctness (PC) stuff all the time now? The LBD wasn't bad, and this new 'theme' didn't show Kim naked or anything either. And I certainly didn't see any of these art as 'degrading' toward women either. Gee, I'm getting tired of this reaccuring PC stuff. Now Ivy feels bad for having fun when she didn't do anything wrong.
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Post by captainkodak1 on Aug 24, 2006 12:25:28 GMT -5
I have to back JuPMod on this. I have not seen anything in the FanArt area that I think crosses the line. Sure Kim in a bunny suit is different. But I doubt she would look different if she wore it as a disguise. I do think we in the past have gone to far but not now. Perhaps we have gone too far the other direction. I don't know completely. Let's all sit back, take a breath and relax a little.
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Post by cloudmonet on Aug 24, 2006 12:39:07 GMT -5
First of all, I'd like to support Ivy, one of the best of all Kim Possible fanartists. Her work seemed to me like a playful protest against all the bunny pix. We don't want to make her feel unhappy, or to stop doing Kim art, or to lose her the way we lost Lionheart.
On the other hand, while I don't think there's anything wrong with Kim or Shego in a bunny suit per se, and a certain amount of Kim's sexuality is displayed on the show itself— they did the little black dress first, after all— this is monomania! I found the overwhelming mass of this stuff to be tiring days ago, and it's still expanding exponentially.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 24, 2006 14:12:58 GMT -5
I didn't mind it when Ivy did it, as Ivy is a female and she can exploit her gender as much as she want... or protest against it in her own way, as cloudie said.
But, when all the guys were doing it, it was very offensive to me. I mean, the only thing Playboy does is exploit women.
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Post by Mr. Dubois a.k.a IvyMae on Aug 24, 2006 14:13:39 GMT -5
Thanks guys for your supposrt, and you don't have to worry about loosing me. I'm not going anywhere. I may change the content of what I draw, but I'm not going to stop drawing. Dracko has a perfecally good point, so please do not attack him because he's just doing his job, also I don't people getting mad about this because I felt bad about the situation... it's something I have to work out on my own.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 24, 2006 14:25:25 GMT -5
You're right. Dracko has a great point. The artists made good pictures, which I have to admit I like, but as a feminist and a moral person (despite what people may think based on my "Resident Erotica Writer" rep) I found it offensive. It's kinda like... I liked it but I disliked it.
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Post by dracko19 on Aug 24, 2006 14:33:38 GMT -5
To be clear guys....
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm simply saying I think the bunny stuff has run its course and let's head a different direction. We were beginning to go down a path that I didn't think we would be happy with in the end. Espcially with the KP Creators/Directors/Writers frequenting this board. My job is to protect this forum from deletion and to make it the best board I can for all the members. I think the overall membership is much better off with VIP's here. Since I know that the "sleeze" issue was a reason in the past for them not showing up, it would go to figure that the sleeze issue could be a reason for them leaving. Sleeze may not be a good word here (out of character on the risque side?) but you get the idea. I'm just suggestion we use the art board to create stuff thats fun and not so risque' If you want to create the smutty stuff, feel free, but just keep it on DA or photobuckets or whatever and PM around the links.
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