|
Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 24, 2006 14:51:11 GMT -5
Amen.
|
|
|
Post by justice on Aug 24, 2006 15:42:49 GMT -5
My first post… I didn’t even know about rs.net until it came under my attention.
But that is not what this thread is about. Yes, I am guilty as charged. I’ve done LBD, I’ve done the Bunny thing. And yes, some of my Shego drawings aren’t quite in character as well. But I never intended to hurt someone, or offend someone. I think of my art as tasteful, maybe pushing the envelope, but sleezy? No way. If you’d open your eyes and truly browse trough deviant art you’ll see far more disturbing KP fanart pictures than all LBD’s and Bunnies combined.
If you don’t want to see it, walk away. I do support rules about keeping “spicy” KP pictures off a message board, but don’t go burning people that do some hot art next to their usually “true to the KP franchise” fan art. For instance I got 4 pages of fancomic, a tonne of “normal” Shego and KP drawings... and I am sure that is also the case for other artists that do a hot piece once in a while.
And sure, I’ve seen some of you claim in this thread that your complaints are not against a certain artist. But it hurts them non-the-less. Just like I just got hurt reading all this…
Don’t hold a few drawings over someone’s head… Look at the entire picture…
|
|
|
Post by dracko19 on Aug 24, 2006 17:20:28 GMT -5
If you are hurt by reading this thread, you aren't understanding the message. This isn't an attack at anyone and I'm not suggesting anyone stop their art. I'm saying if you design stuff that is "too hot to handle", it may be best to keep it on another site and not here. How is that hurting anyone? How am I "holding it over someone's head??"
If people try to twist this thread and manipulate it to their own personal interpetation that I feel is completely off message, I am going to defend my position. If you have issues with this beyond my post, feel free to PM me and I will discuss it.
|
|
|
Post by teztor123 on Aug 24, 2006 17:21:15 GMT -5
Welllll ....
I don't believe this should be an issue of what is right and what is wrong.
For the most part - I feel it is a question of personal preference and could do without other people's politics. I really liked some of the pictures and really didn't like others - but that's just my personal preference so I'll keep which ones I liked and didn't like to myself.
Now ... that said ... this board - or DA - or any other board has a right to define what kind of board they want to be.
For a lot of cartoon characters you do not have an adult following so there isn't that much of an issue - but for KP you do.
I personally love seeing KP in skimpy outfits.
But - when the Bunny thread first started it did cross my mind that it was straying away from the stated goals of this board.
My suggestion to the mods would be - if you want this board to meet certain standards (which you are setting) then it is up to you to keep on top of them. Don't wait until something is "getting out of hand" - nip it in the bud.
I don't think something has to be labeled as "sleezy" or "exploitive" - all it has to be is something that doesn't fit the type of board the creators of this board wish it to be.
Again, it isn't an issue of right or wrong - but simply one of what you want to do.
The art in question here, strikes me as fitting into the category of "cheesecake" art. It's not really all that explicit but it does emphasize KP as a sexual being.
Other art emphasizes KP as a noble, vibrant, atheltic young woman.
If cheesecake is out and nobility in here - it is up to the mods to keep it that way.
I'll continue to enjoy this site for what it is and can well get my cheesecake somewhere else (which may or may not be DA depending on how active the vigilantes are at the moment ...).
|
|
|
Post by dracko19 on Aug 24, 2006 17:36:07 GMT -5
My suggestion to the mods would be - if you want this board to meet certain standards (which you are setting) then it is up to you to keep on top of them. Don't wait until something is "getting out of hand" - nip it in the bud. Which is EXACTLY the point of this thread. It hadn't gotten out of hand...yet. But it was headed that way and that is why I made this post. I'd much rather people self-police themselves and voluntarily choose to post art that is more mainstream. I have no desire to delete pictures, posts or whatnot. As soon as that happens, the air of censorship arises and it causes ill feelings among many members. RS.net has always been a bit on the liberal/open side and I don't wish to make it any different. However, I do wish to keep the ship sailing staright and smooth and I felt it was starting to stray. I think everyone is on the same page here now.
|
|
|
Post by Ashley Benlove on Aug 24, 2006 17:42:16 GMT -5
Bravo, Dracko.
|
|
|
Post by Dez on Aug 24, 2006 17:52:21 GMT -5
I kinda feel bad now. I usually aim to keep all my posts clean [hence the non PG-13 shippy thread] but I guess my mind was consumed by the bunny fad
|
|
|
Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Aug 24, 2006 18:09:47 GMT -5
"If you don’t want to see it, walk away."
many of us have - but hey, don't let that deter you from doing whatever you want.
*shrugs* *wanders off again*
|
|
|
Post by PossibleKim on Aug 24, 2006 19:04:58 GMT -5
I am sorry if I offended anyone. Bunny Kim i great but I really do not like to see Kim in bondage. Sorry if I offended anyone
|
|
|
Post by Ezbok58a on Aug 24, 2006 20:31:39 GMT -5
Notice how no one voices their actual opinion until Drako/mod actually said something about it? Have we all become blind 'Yes Men?' As far as the bunny theme, well it got out of hand, but honestly who didn't expect that to happen, Really? It's basically the playboy bunny outfit she is wearing, of course it'd turn into something along the lines of Playboy-ish. I kinda sorta voiced my opinion, but when guys are exploiting girls, do they really care what the girls have to say? But you were really the only one to do that. That is what aggrivates me. Every single one of the 'Bunny' themed drawings I see every person in this thread reply to those as amazing, beautiful, and hot (even you I think in one of them). Then Drako comes on and says lets tone it down, and every Single person then stabs the artists in the back by saying 'Yep I was thinking the same thing'.... What The Hell?!?! If you think it may be a problem then say so, don't just say it's awsome and then say it pushed it too far later on. That makes you a hypocrite (which Ashely is sometimes, but she admits it). The only problem I have with this is Ashely's opinion of exploiting women like playboy does. Don't forget that they know full well what Playboy is and what it does, and you know what? They don't care! So how is it exploiting women when they want to be exploited? Granted cartoons and real life characters are apples and oranges but, that's a whole 'nother argument.
|
|
|
Post by Avenger on Aug 24, 2006 21:11:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with "stabbing the artists in the back," because a lot of people here seem to be very talented. And many of these pieces are quite well done, even if they are "risque" or (to quote myself) "out of character." It's a normal societal thing though... whatever you do in the privacy of your own home is fine. But in public, you need to carry yourself in a slightly different way. Maybe I'm of the minority, but I look at Kim with as minimal a sexual appetite as possible (now Mrs. Dr. P on the other hand... ). I won't disagree that Kim is beautiful, or even sexy. But I don't think of her in a sexual way. And I'm certain Bob, Mark, Steve, Tom, Brian, and everybody else that works on the show does not think of her like that either. If you do look at Kim as a sexual being, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. That's your whole thing. Do what you want. But, when it comes to these boards, please show just a little bit of restraint. Dracko is just trying to protect the boards and make it fun for everybody. I would hate to see the VIPs jump ship (like Steve once did) because we couldn't respect the vision that the creators have for the characters. I mean, yeah, it's cool just to have them here. But they are also fun people to talk to and joke around with, as much as anybody else on this board. I hope they see us the same way.
|
|
|
Post by johnnys on Aug 24, 2006 22:01:10 GMT -5
I kinda sorta voiced my opinion, but when guys are exploiting girls, do they really care what the girls have to say? But you were really the only one to do that. That is what aggrivates me. Every single one of the 'Bunny' themed drawings I see every person in this thread reply to those as amazing, beautiful, and hot (even you I think in one of them). Then Drako comes on and says lets tone it down, and every Single person then stabs the artists in the back by saying 'Yep I was thinking the same thing'.... What The Hell?!?! If you think it may be a problem then say so, don't just say it's awsome and then say it pushed it too far later on. That makes you a hypocrite (which Ashely is sometimes, but she admits it). The only problem I have with this is Ashely's opinion of exploiting women like playboy does. Don't forget that they know full well what Playboy is and what it does, and you know what? They don't care! So how is it exploiting women when they want to be exploited? Granted cartoons and real life characters are apples and oranges but, that's a whole 'nother argument. dude, did u voice ur opinion before dracko19 started this thread? I doubt it. I for one enjoys looking at fan arts during my free time. Yes, some of them may have got out of hand, but I love them nevertheless. Its good that dracko19 created this thread to put them in place, but don't butcher them. There are some very talented fan artists here, we don't wanna discourage them from creating good art. In the end, I agree with dracko19, for the benefit of rs.net and continuity of VIP members visiting here.
|
|
|
Post by surforst on Aug 24, 2006 22:02:58 GMT -5
No Ezbok is right on this one. I was actually wondering how long before Dracko came by and slapped this little trend down cause it really was going back to the time when this forum was really looked down upon. The thing that cracks me up though is all the people who thought this was so great are now coming up and condemning it. Just amusing as anything and it's funny to see it on the rest of the forum. People will post above PG-13 stuff in some of these threads and then nod their heads with Dracko when he says not to do it. Not that it bothers me but I just laugh thinking how much headache poor Dracko must be getting out of this. Hope he's getting payed. ;D
By the by nothing wrong with showing Ron as a girl. Just as long as it's meant to be funny. After all I'm all for poking fun at the KP characters.
|
|
|
Post by Avenger on Aug 24, 2006 22:14:22 GMT -5
Yeah... like, if you put Ron in a dress because they're under cover or something.
They did put lipstick on Rufus in StD... which still disturbs my friend to this day... so probably best to keep the dresses off of Rufus.
|
|
|
Post by nabusan on Aug 24, 2006 22:16:47 GMT -5
Some people just aren't confrontational or discouraging, that's probably why they didn't post their opinions.
|
|
|
Post by wallaceb on Aug 24, 2006 22:18:43 GMT -5
Some people just aren't confrontational or discouraging, that's probably why they didn't post their opinions. i am one of those people
|
|
|
Post by johnnys on Aug 24, 2006 22:30:48 GMT -5
Some people just aren't confrontational or discouraging, that's probably why they didn't post their opinions. Understandably, but that doesn't give anyone the right to butcher the fan artists when things go south, especially the ones who rarely visits the fan art page! I agree with dracko19's opinion, and I think the fan artists got the point too. Butchering them proves nothing, and might only discourage them from creating good fan arts.
|
|
|
Post by dracko19 on Aug 24, 2006 22:41:00 GMT -5
For the record...no members complained about the bunny art. I have gotten complaints in the past about art and threads that offended people, but nobody stepped up on this one.
In the future, if you see something on this forum you think I should take a look at, it would be best to give me (or the other mods) a heads up. This forum is YOUR forum. Don't assume we know everthing that is going on in here because we don't. I don't read every thread in every forum every day. The mods do appreciate being given a heads up when something gets close to "the line".
Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by surforst on Aug 24, 2006 22:52:25 GMT -5
For the record...no members complained about the bunny art. I have gotten complaints in the past about art and threads that offended people, but nobody stepped up on this one. And Ezbok is proven to be correct yet again. Isn't it a little unfair people to condemn the artist after you all clapped them on the back. In the end the artist should just take from this that those particular pics don't need to be shared on this forum. What the members of this forum need to take from this is that certain members will violate the rules on one side and then nod their heads when people condemn that violation. I posted a comment before about respecting the characters and I laughed when one of the person I was referring to agreed with me. Funny that. It's probably why I don't post here as much as I used to and I kind of feel like certain older forum members when it comes to this. Heck I've seen in the contest we just had forum members insulting people's hard work and guess what? No one cared. Bet they'll be the first people to reply that the think that sort of action is horrible to. Bah! By the by I'll say right now that a lot of those pics were well drawn. The artist should feel proud of that no matter what anyone else says.
|
|
|
Post by johnnys on Aug 24, 2006 22:52:48 GMT -5
For the record...no members complained about the bunny art. I have gotten complaints in the past about art and threads that offended people, but nobody stepped up on this one. I kinda expected that. In the future, if you see something on this forum you think I should take a look at, it would be best to give me (or the other mods) a heads up. This forum is YOUR forum. Don't assume we know everthing that is going on in here because we don't. I don't read every thread in every forum every day. The mods do appreciate being given a heads up when something gets close to "the line". Thanks. Agreed!
|
|