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Post by atecom on Feb 18, 2008 9:01:05 GMT -5
THE DRAGON SLAYER STRIKES!!!!!
I know, lets all go off topic and discuss weather this thread should remain open or not!!!!
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 9:53:44 GMT -5
Well now that I just spent the better of three minutes staring at Atecom's avatar... I would like to apologise to Longsworder and Tsyaalo Phoenix for my comments before. I believe that in a debate your personal feelings and opinions should be left at the door so that the facts can be argued and discussed fairly. I did that in my earlier post but lost patience towards the end. I apologise to them and to anyone else who has read what a posted and was offended. I hoped to of had a civil discussion but in the end it turned into something ugly. I will however not apologise for my opinions on the subject as truely believe what I said. It is sad, as many of you have mentioned, that an interesting topic turned into nothing more than slandering the other party's views and opinion. Once again I'm truely sorry for losing my professionalism and cool towards the end. Well like I said, people shouldn't be punished or even have to apologise for having personal opinions. One shouldn't have to apologise for being... one. So yay, apology accepted.
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Post by Nulla on Feb 18, 2008 10:52:42 GMT -5
Im glad this thread hasnt been locked..... I only got news of this today as I jumped back on DA to check my watched...... first and foremost props to levelord for putting up with da's crap for so long..... yes i think ppl were out there to get him (i.e. complaining to mods on anything they can) and yes we've all seen the ever-so-long tussle to and from himself and the mods on these issues.... and i think its complete bs..... i mean come on - this is KP fanart.... there is heaps of other mainstream crap out there that they (the mods) could have a crack at - find something better to do.... they even gone to the trouble of removing anything in his journal related to his woes with DA mods.... with his last recorded post dated 5th Dec 07 omfg! like many others im a massive fan of levelord's work... he is a great contributor to KP fan art and has attracted massive attention - hopefully we can see more of your work somewhere whether it be on DA (doubt it ) or anywhere else, it was a shock and sad to see you go mate.... ;D they even removed this (mirrored by destikim): (which i think is awesome as his last crack at the da mods) destikim.deviantart.com/art/Unacceptable-KP-art-Levelord-77692268as his last dev he was kinda asking for it (u should of read his original comment rofl) - but id be kinda p---ed off too if my gear was being trashed cos of little nit-picking crap by some person who just cant get over themselves..... goodluck to ya mate (and its good to see u here )
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 11:00:00 GMT -5
And here's hoping they go straight to H3ll. Sorry, that's where the intolerant go.
Lol, that's brilliant. Commented and faved.
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Post by Nulla on Feb 18, 2008 11:09:42 GMT -5
^ yes indeed = epic win
da mod = epic fail
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Post by ninjanaco on Feb 18, 2008 13:03:00 GMT -5
Well, as a certified Enemy of the Sexual Revolution, I have to say that I wasn't a fan of his sexually provocative art. Not only do I think that art designed to arouse the faculties is wrong, but a lot of times it's out of character. Do you honestly think Kim would show herself off in a string thong bikini, or Shego ("... cakes ... I don't jump outta them!") would actually submit to becoming a Playboy bunny. Bonnie? Maybe. But a lot of the KP girls would not (and Anne's only going to be sexy for one man - James Timothy Possible. Sorry, guys. ) I looked at some of the "banned" pics of Levelord (they were PG-13) and, whether he meant them to be or not, screamed "SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION!" Which I think is wrong for either gender. My general opinion to this news isn't "GREAT!," but, "meh." Levelord does have great artistic talent, but that doesn't mean he can't do wrong. I'm not sure of the whole details of the banning, but I know it's just not a good idea to go and mock/goad the authorities...
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Post by liokaiser on Feb 18, 2008 13:53:54 GMT -5
I have to say I think it sucks. I have seen some of the other stuff that DA allows when they remove art like levelord's.
I hope he finds a new place and lets us know about it because I wouldn't let a group like DA make me quit doing art.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Feb 18, 2008 14:01:47 GMT -5
Well, as a certified Enemy of the Sexual Revolution, I have to say that I wasn't a fan of his sexually provocative art. Not only do I think that art designed to arouse the faculties is wrong, but a lot of times it's out of character. Do you honestly think Kim would show herself off in a string thong bikini, or Shego ("... cakes ... I don't jump outta them!") would actually submit to becoming a Playboy bunny. Bonnie? Maybe. But a lot of the KP girls would not (and Anne's only going to be sexy for one man - James Timothy Possible. Sorry, guys. ) I looked at some of the "banned" pics of Levelord (they were PG-13) and, whether he meant them to be or not, screamed "SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION!" Which I think is wrong for either gender. My general opinion to this news isn't "GREAT!," but, "meh." Levelord does have great artistic talent, but that doesn't mean he can't do wrong. I'm not sure of the whole details of the banning, but I know it's just not a good idea to go and mock/goad the authorities... Shockingly enough, I totally agree with you. On the other hand, I tend to like art designed to arouse the faculties (I'm not even entirely sure what that means, but it sounds fun), but yeah, other than that I agree with you.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Feb 18, 2008 14:47:55 GMT -5
Well, as a certified Enemy of the Sexual Revolution, I have to say that I wasn't a fan of his sexually provocative art. Not only do I think that art designed to arouse the faculties is wrong, but a lot of times it's out of character. Do you honestly think Kim would show herself off in a string thong bikini, or Shego ("... cakes ... I don't jump outta them!") would actually submit to becoming a Playboy bunny. Bonnie? Maybe. But a lot of the KP girls would not (and Anne's only going to be sexy for one man - James Timothy Possible. Sorry, guys. ) I looked at some of the "banned" pics of Levelord (they were PG-13) and, whether he meant them to be or not, screamed "SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION!" Which I think is wrong for either gender. My general opinion to this news isn't "GREAT!," but, "meh." Levelord does have great artistic talent, but that doesn't mean he can't do wrong. I'm not sure of the whole details of the banning, but I know it's just not a good idea to go and mock/goad the authorities... Shockingly enough, I totally agree with you. On the other hand, I tend to like art designed to arouse the faculties (I'm not even entirely sure what that means, but it sounds fun), but yeah, other than that I agree with you. I definitely think the Sexual Revolution was a good thing, but I agree that a lot of that kind of art (here I'm talking generally, not just about Levelord) is exasperating because of how out of character it is. They wouldn't be doing those things, and we all know it. Of course, we can call on creative freedom, and we're all allowed to have fantasies. We can do whatever we want with fan art-- we just can't expect everyone to like it. Personally, I usually only like extreme OOC-ness when it's done for the sake of a joke. Other than that, I won't comment on anything as I haven't read the entire thread and am not qualified to comment. I have seen Levelord's art, however.
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Post by dracko19 on Feb 18, 2008 16:28:14 GMT -5
Levelord's art was removed from DA because Levelord has an anti-following that likes to make trouble for him. DA mods simply react to complaints. Sometimes its rather knee-jerkish but that's common for the position. A mod logs on to a site and sees his "complaint" box full and just deals with the issues. Sometimes its easier to just push DELETE rather than study the issue and make a proper judgement call. That said, Levelord wasn't banned from DA for posting inappropriate art. He was banned for lashing out at the Mods. He knew that was coming. It shouldn't come as a shock. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory and did. On the whole Loser/Tsaalyo debate - Loser isn't offended by the pic itself, but rather her opinion of what the interpetation could be. The "white stuff" on KP isn't bodily fluid and its stated as such. However all the debate revolves around a completely different interpetation. To be honest, you could come up with the same loose interpetation on this pic: ~Click For Full Image Tsaalyo really has no business arguing someone's opinion though. He asked why people felt the pic was objectionable and he got a response. To challenge someone's opinion is an excercise in futility. Its THEIR OPINION. Debating it is simply trying to provoke someone into a fight and we will have none of that here. Tsaalyo is already on shaky ground around here. I suggest he tread a little more lightly.
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 16:37:44 GMT -5
That picture is nice, but I prefer this one. ~Click For Full Image Anyway, you're saying we're not allowed to have any discussion at all? Opinions can and do change based on discussion. My debate with L7 was civil enough, it was with kpcrusader that things got out of hand. It wasn't my intention that this get out of hand and i'm sorry that it did, but now you've gone and said that we can't have discussions at all. Why even leave this thread open beyond the first post then? Just post it as news and lock it. o.o
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 18, 2008 16:54:56 GMT -5
I think dracko means we can debate possiblities as to what the image could mean and how it could be perceived but that we shouldnt debate peoples personal feelings towards the subject. I try to leave my personal opinion at the door because it tends to get in the way of level thinking and it makes excepting other opinions and views harder.
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Post by dracko19 on Feb 18, 2008 17:12:06 GMT -5
I think dracko means we can debate possiblities as to what the image could mean and how it could be perceived but that we shouldnt debate peoples personal feelings towards the subject. I try to leave my personal opinion at the door because it tends to get in the way of level thinking and it makes excepting other opinions and views harder. Exactly. You were basically challenging Loser7's beliefs and reasons for her opinions. Its basically the same thing as a democrat and republican debate. If someone is republican and have strong reasons why, and you come on as a democrat and say "well you're wrong and here's why" we get into a never ending debate that will eventually end up in flames You can say "well I respect your opinion but i don't agree with it" and leave it at that, but to continue to bash her and claim that you can't understand why people find pornography objectionable is simply debating something just to do it.
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Post by drakkenfan on Feb 18, 2008 17:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 17:14:51 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, I found ten other uploads of the picture so far, as well as some screencaps of searching 'Levelord' that show a screenfull of the picture thumbs. Long live Levelord!
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 18, 2008 17:22:07 GMT -5
Long Live Levelord!!
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Post by drakkenfan on Feb 18, 2008 17:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 17:30:58 GMT -5
Lmao, and now Varmus did FANART of the ice cream picture! This is epic. XD
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 18, 2008 17:34:57 GMT -5
Dude, that's like a classic art by you! I love that one! Lmao, and now Varmus did FANART of the ice cream picture! This is epic. XD I'd want to see that, please.
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Post by Tsaalyo Phoenix on Feb 18, 2008 17:39:08 GMT -5
I'd post a link but it's pg-13, and the last time I linked to a pg-13 pic on dA here... just go to varmus.deviantart.com, it's the most recent submission right now. Deviantart's Mature Content system prevents minors and people who aren't registered from viewing the picture, which is only mature for a single word used.
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