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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:50:53 GMT -5
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« Reply #370 on Jul 11, 2005, 8:10pm »
Sorry just noticing but isnt Excange after the fearless feret?
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« Reply #371 on Jul 11, 2005, 8:55pm »
The American broadcast order is hopelessly scrambled. Production order is the sequence they use when broadcasting a series of episodes now, and closer to the creators' intentions and probably closer to (but still not exactly) "real" chronological order. We'll get to "Exchange," don't worry.
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« Reply #372 on Jul 11, 2005, 9:32pm »
Actually, the next episode in production order is "A Very Possible Christmas", quite probably the shippiest episode up to this point. But let's give "Go Team Go" at least another day first, okay?
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« Reply #373 on Jul 11, 2005, 10:07pm »
Don't let Cloud have the last word! I'm feelin' lonely here.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:51:58 GMT -5
Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 307 « Reply #374 on Jul 11, 2005, 10:27pm » actually, this episode works well as a comparison between Shego and Kim... yes, yes - I know they're not sisters and not alike in most ways, but it illustrates how Shego became who she is despite having a "family" around her... Shego's support system, in theory, should be great - she's got older and younger brothers and presumably a mother and father (unless they were also in the treehouse and got killed) so she should have a stable world around her now that she's a "super"... and yet, this is not so - she can't stand her brothers and it's pretty plain to me that they treat her like an idiot and ignore her intelligence - thus the "Because it was PAINFULLY Obvious..." crack when Kim points out that Aviarius (sp?) has been listening on to their plans for years... she's trapped in a sidekick role to her brothers, and they're not even evil! so Shego goes "evil" (and I still dispute this) and ends up working for Drakken who, at least, listens to her and vice versa. Drakken's probably the closest she's ever going to have to a decent brother (or lover, for you D/S folks!) because he treats her as an equal - which her brothers never have nor will, it seems... compare that to Kim's support system - two brothers who may be driving her crazy, but support her when they need to; two parents who do the same and sweet Ron who willingly puts himself in harm's way to provide the distraction that she needs to get the job done. heck, no wonder Shego's got a hate on for Kim... she may have the superpowers, but Kim's got the family that she'll never have! and, lest we forget - a man to boot. Sure, she may mock Ron's status and crack smart about him, but I think she's secretly envious that Kim's got a stable man who goes where she goes... while she has to count on Drakken's moods as to if he'll take the hint and come with/save her or not. of course, I could be wrong...  ———————————————— [end of page 25] |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 0:16:43 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) Page 26 Cached by Google on Aug 11, 2005, 10:21pm (Read 13,917 times) James Yellow Trout ** Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 75 « Reply #375 on Jul 11, 2005, 11:42pm » To Cloudmonet: I'd say something so you could feel less lonely, but you usually say things so well, that there's nothing else to say. Aers--great summation of "Go Team Go." Interesting comparison between KP's family and Shego's. I'd still love to [see] more of them, in fact I wish they could have done a series based on the Go family. Never thought that Drakken gives Shego the emotional support she never got from being good or from her family. Sincerely, JThree carolyn@dia.net ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #376 on Jul 12, 2005, 1:58am » About the question regarding St. Louis ribs: I think (I'm not totally sure about this) St. Louis is famous for bbq beef. It's a tradition that goes back to the old west cattledrives when cowboys brought their cows into St. Louis to be sold. Moving on, Go Team Go gives us a background into Shego's life before she became a villian. We see how she got her superpowers, her family, how she knows to fly a plane, and why she left them. We also get to see some of her relationship with Drakken, which many say parallels Kim and Ron's relationship. Shippy moments are few. While we may not see much in the way of physical touching that we're now accustomed to, there are plenty of lines and special looks that can be analyzed. KIM: I can't believe I cashed in a favor for this. Kim's refering to getting a ride to Go City for the new BN opening. It's obviously at Ron's insistance. But I don't think he had to beg much to get her to agree to it. When they get inside, she's just as impressed with the facility as Ron is, even if she tries to hide it at first. Later, we have Ron and Rufus outside Bueno Nacho. Rufus tries to eat when Ron pulls the food away. RON: Rufus, we should wait for Kim. When I first saw this, I didn't think much about it. Then I backed it up and watched it several more times. I began to see that Rufus eating his food before Kim shows up is inconsiderate in Ron's eyes. Why is this? I thought back on Vir-Tu-Ron. Perhaps Ron is turning over a new leaf "when a lady is present." Or Ron is beginning to see that BN is more than a meeting or hangout place for he and Kim. It's their escape from the world of school, parents, tweebs, and saving the world. It's becoming their dating place. And Ron is treating it like so, even if the menu consists of nacos and chimeritos. Later, we have where Ron asks Kim to show off her powers to him. Ever wanting to please Ron, she does so by lifting the table in the Go tower. Nothing much here, except to say that Kim is always willing to impress her man. Next, we have this line from Ron. RON: I'm starting to see why Shego split. Watch Kim. She gives him that beautiful mysterious smile of hers. Perhaps because Ron is stating something obvious and humorous at the same time. It's kinda funny. Ron certainly knows how to make her smile in any sitch. And he wasn't even trying. Next is the scene where Kim is being attacked by the flamingo robot. Ron throws her the grappling hook. When these two are working together, Ron seems to get a sixth sense of what Kim needs when she needs it. It's no wonder that they work so well. And, Ron is always her willing distraction when she needs one. One final note: Rufus taps into this mystical monkey kung fu to fight Shego. Usually, Rufus prefers to bite. This is the first time we see him do real martial arts combat. Go Rufus! ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #377 on Jul 12, 2005, 12:49pm » Wow! You're right. I so totally missed that. "Go Team Go" really is about the mystery of Shego, more than anything else. Although we learn something about her family and history, more questions are raised than answered. I can sort of imagine her as a teenaged Goth girl hero, like Raven from Teen Titans or Violet from the Incredibles, who sort of drifted toward evil, then maybe had a really nasty argument or fight with her brothers and disappeared for awhile. Actually, Shego pretty much lives in the shadows even now. She walks the night, sneaking into top secret labs and stealing stuff for Drakken, usually lives in his lair. Okay, she did go waterskiing at the Billionaire's Club in "Kimitation Nation," but such an exclusive place makes a discreet hangout. ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #378 on Jul 12, 2005, 1:28pm » It is a Shego episode. And it's the only one I can think of directed solely towards her. Well, maybe Two To Tutor. But does anyone else agree with Shego when she says, "I am evil!" I think that she's not as bad as she thinks she is. Although she does have dillusions of grandeur. And in ASIT, she takes over the world, but allows people to live their daily lives dedicated to her, rather than killing mass millions. So I see her as a glorified thief with evil tendencies, not somebody as truely evil. Besides, despite the feelings of resentment she has for her brothers, she agrees to fight Avarius, to help get their powers back. I don't really believe she's afraid of her reputation as a bad girl. She didn't think about using all the powers for herself until she held the staff. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #379 on Jul 12, 2005, 2:06pm » Be a bit careful about letting Shego's charisma (and she oozes charisma) delude you into wishful thinking about her reforming. She knows Aviarius, knows from what she's no doubt been told that he's trying to collect all the Go Team powers, and it's in her interest to make common cause with Kim and her brothers to stop him, lest she be the next target. There's nothing non-evil per se about self preservation. She certainly took advantage of the wand the moment Kim kicked it out of Aviarius's hand, and viciously used all the powers aginst Kim, only to be foiled by another Kimmy kick when Drakken had her distracted. All we have is Kim's and Drakken's assertion that Shego may have subconsciously wanted her brothers to get their powers back. Shego vigorously denies this. Like Drakken and the Go brothers, I think it's prudent to take her at her word when she declares "I am evil!" as though anyone who'd believe otherwise is stupid and naive. Yes, she can be nice to the extent of saying, "That's sweet," if someone does something especially nice for her, but you don't see much of this. She's either mocking or tending to business, and her business is mostly nefarious. ———————————————— eowyn Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 97 « Reply #380 on Jul 12, 2005, 4:11pm » Kind of off subject, but on the matter of Shego's evil let's remember: She did top out Jack Hench's "Test your Badness level" machine. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #381 on Jul 12, 2005, 6:59pm » After Shego threw Aviarius' throne at Kim and Ron, Ron disappeared. I think that Kim dropped her kimunicator; Ron, realizing how much more of a threat Shego is with her brothers' power than Aviarius, picked it up and called Wade. Judging by how quickly Kim and Shego's bros got to Drakken's lair and back, I'd say that particular lair was close to Go City. So, naturally, Wade called Drakken. As the battle reaches it's end, Wade told Ron that Drakken was almost there. Ron helped Kim up and told her he'd be happy to be the distraction (aw). Like it was said before, Drakken came in, as if on cue. As for why Shego helped her brothers and, allegedly, let them have their powers back...that's another thread entirely. ———————————————— jarmitc2032 Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 603 Location: Kingsland, GA « Reply #382 on Jul 12, 2005, 7:48pm » I can not remember what Drakken said to Shego at the end, but I think thats the reason why Shego let her brothers have there powers back. ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 297 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #383 on Jul 12, 2005, 9:17pm » I cant find much and when I do its alredy posted! you guys are good! ;D ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #384 on Jul 12, 2005, 9:47pm » One other note about "Go Team Go"-- The design of the heat seeking hummingbirds is inspired by the tesselated animals of M. C. Escher's prints (although the hummingbirds are not shown tiled together). They even fly in a pattern like the birds in one of his wood engravings! You might check out his art if you come across one of his books in either a library or bookstore. ———————————————— Shakermaker Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 85 « Reply #385 on Jul 12, 2005, 10:11pm » wow I didn't notice that. I'm a huge Escher fan! Good find Mr. Monet ———————————————— GnuHopper Guest « Reply #386 on Jul 13, 2005, 2:41pm » Okay, to be polite I'm going to ask this time instead of just jumping in full steam ahead: are we done with "Go Team Go" and ready to move onto "A Very Possible Christmas"? GH ————————————————
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 0:17:53 GMT -5
A Very Possible Christmas Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #387 on Jul 13, 2005, 5:02pm » Great. First off: Ron spending Christmas at Kim's house. He seems to be part of the Possible family (notice that in the pisture at the end, he's leaning into it). Secondly: Snowman Hank. It one of those Kim/Ron tradition things. This time, however, Kim likes the idea. Third: Kim's gift to Ron (pics please). Those picture were to cute for words. Now to stop keeping track and get to business. Ron risks his life so that Kim can have a nice Christmas. I have the feeling Ron knew that Shego was going to just drop off the battery and leave. After all, he seemed to know Shego well in Go Team Go. Kim finds out that Ron's lost and drops everthing to find him (sound familiar?). Her family disides to help her, 'cause it's just not Christmas without her. Now, when Kim finds the last esape pod, we see her wiping tears out of her eyes. Luckily, the tweebs were watching Xtreme X-mas and saw Shego at the North Poll. When Kim and Ron are reunited, they hug. After Drakken pushes Kim and Ron under the missletoe, Ron nerviously explains that it isn't realy missletoe (so he's saying that Kim doesn't have to kiss him). Kim kisses him anyway. Ron's surprised at first, but quickly begins to enjoy the moment. Kim, on the other hand, smiles from ear to ear (obviously pleased with herself). This episode has a very heavy "aw" factor. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #388 on Jul 13, 2005, 7:56pm » Kim kisses Ron on the cheek. Okay, "A Very Possible Christmas" is about as shippy as things can get at this point, but exactly when it happened is a puzzle. Supposedly Kim and Ron are sophomores at the beginning of the show, "A Sitch in Time" marks the beginning of Junior Year, and "So the Drama" is supposed to be the Junior Prom. Clearly "Christmas" in production order is way out of sequence, unless we hypothesize that everything between "Tick Tick Tick" and "Go Team Go" happened between September and December of sophomore year, but that won't work because "Job Unfair" and "Golden Years" happen around the same time as spring break. We'll set aside the problem that production order and a sophomore start would force all of season one into two months, and allow for some of season one to be freshman year. "Tick Tick Tick," when Kim appears not to have her mission-related absences from school worked out with the administration, could be earlier, as could the others. So where does "Christmas" fit? I honestly don't know. Kim seems younger than late season two/season three Kim, but older than early season one Kim, so I'll tentatively say Christmas of sophomore year. It might have happened as early as near the time of Downhill (snow seems rare in Middleton, but on the other hand "Downhill" happens way up in the mountains). But this assumes "Downhill" actually happens after "October 31." So, trying to do as little violence as possible to the production order, I'm guessing it happened between "October 31" and "Job Unfair" (placing this latter just before "Golden Years). I'm inclined to put it somewhere with the five shippy episodes after Zita, "Naked Genius" through "Fearless Ferret." One problem with this-- in "Golden Years" Kim says Ron's never met Nana. Perhaps they just didn't interact much at the Christmas party. You'd think such a significant event as Kim kissing Ron in any fashion would be easier to place in time. But there are plenty of bizarre "tis the season" events in the episode-- Drakken calling a truce and somehow baking a Christmas dinner for everyone in his garbage pod. Wait, weren't Drakken and Ron fighting over one discarded chicken or turkey drumstick a little earlier? Where'd Drakken get the food, not to mention the decorations? And don't forget it's Drakken who plays matchmaker and pushes Kim and Ron underneath the mistletoe parsley, and then a shower of sparkles very like the one made by Shego with Aviarius's wand puts them inside Snowman Hank's cancelled Christmas special, shades of "Dimension Twist"! So is the shipping just some kind of Christmas thing? Let's go back to the beginning. Ron, whose family is Jewish, sort of becomes part of the Possible family celebration, and seems like Kim's boyfriend. She gives him a CD album of pictures of the two of them together.  The picture on the cover is fascinating. I'm not sure how old they're supposed to be but they look rather like their present teenaged selves. Nonetheless, Ron's face looks like, "Yuck! I'm being hugged by a girl!" Maybe he was just surprised. There's a number of cute pictures of them as kids, most of which look posed. To think that Kim would spend a bunch of time putting this together, an album of their lives together, and that Ron would be so overwhelmed by the gift, really is the shippiest thing we've seen yet.  The hug, a bit less shippy. Not sure why, but this one is very much a "we're just friends" hug. Notice how they've got their hands on each others arms, holding each other at some distance even as they hold each other. Trust me about this. All too many times I've gotten hugs of this sort when I was hoping for something shippier from the lady in question. Kim goes downstairs, and Wade chimes in with news of Drakken, and Ron decides, probably for the first time, to go after Drakken alone. He'll do it again in "Sick Day." Fortunately for Ron, the henchmen and Shego are on holiday while Drakken tries to conquer the world alone. Could you imagine a success? Shego on the beach, news comes on pocket radio, world submits to Dr. Drakken? Never mind. Ron sabbotages "Drakk Force One," launches all the escape pods but one, the garbage pod, which brings Ron and Drakken to the North Pole, (or is it North Pole, Alaska? Looks like land to me) where they fight over a cell phone and a discarded drumstick until calling a truce in the name of common love for "The Six Tasks of Snowman Hank."  Meanwhile, Kim goes all over the world looking for Ron, eventually joined by her family. No Ron, till Wade locates Shego searching for Drakken in response to his voice-mail call for help.  A big hug from Kim when she sees Ron this time, a bit of fighting with Shego, then Drakken invites them all to dinner. Friends, I know many of you haven't seen this elusive episode and don't have a recording, so let me show you some of the odder moments.  Drakken attempting to hug Shego and Kim.  Shego and Kim sitting together by the fire.  Drakken moving Kim and Ron together under the mistletoe (actually identified as parsley, but it looks more like mistletoe).  Kim kisses Ron on the cheek, and he reacts.  We wonder if Ron will ever wash this cheek after this. So what does it all mean? Drakken says his truce will end on New Years and he'll "open a big bag of freak on you all." Don't jump on me for bahhumbugging or anything, but shouldn't such a major step out of character as we know it have more enduring effects? And if Drakken's stepping out of character for Christmas, is Kim? That, and the uncertain placement of this episode in the timeline of Kim's life, make this episode a weaker argument for K/R shipping than the gift, the hug, the kiss would seem to indicate. « Last Edit: Jul 13, 2005, 8:00pm by cloudmonet » IP: Logged ————————————————
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 0:23:04 GMT -5
Kryptocow Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 396 « Reply #389 on Jul 13, 2005, 8:28pm » Jul 13, 2005, 5:02pm, Forlong wrote: Secondly: Snowman Hank. It one of those Kim/Ron tradition things. This time, however, Kim likes the idea. Third: Kim's gift to Ron (pics please). Those picture were to cute for words. Wahaha. You asked for it. ;D CloudMonet beat me to it by a bit, but I went a bit cap happy, so I'm just going to post links. img119.imageshack.us/img119/3149/kimrondoor6my.gifOops, they blinded Ron. img255.imageshack.us/img255/3742/avpc1cn.gifKim explaining their holiday traditions img255.imageshack.us/img255/6763/avpc20uc.gifDuh, Kim, Snowman Hank. img255.imageshack.us/img255/918/avpc33mz.gifGasp, shock, no more Snowman Hank. o-o (Not exactly shippy, but the look on Ron's face cracks me up) img26.imageshack.us/img26/845/kravpc5xv.gifHow could they cancel Snowman Hank? img53.imageshack.us/img53/2270/avpc47ou.gif"Maybe this will cheer you up." img53.imageshack.us/img53/9826/avpc56uo.gifOkay, so it's not a cartoon snowman that teaches kids the power of friends, family and turning bad guys good, but hey, she tried. img267.imageshack.us/img267/4811/avpc67ud.gifAnd it seems to have worked. img267.imageshack.us/img267/575/avpc76px.gifHeh heh. A time when Ron was not so comfortable with having Kim hug him. (For some reason, I love Will's voice when he says 'Wow' here. Random thing.) img53.imageshack.us/img53/5541/avpc85gq.gif"Hey, that's us!" Kim has that whole "I hope he likes it" gift anxiety thing. img53.imageshack.us/img53/401/scrapbook13lu.gifAll together now: AWWW. ^____^ img133.imageshack.us/img133/4628/scrapbook24jo.gifSo cute... ;D img133.imageshack.us/img133/7408/avpc92ux.gif"Do you like it?" img61.imageshack.us/img61/4935/avpc113rn.gif"It's...It's... It's badical!" Kim's a bit shocked at first... img61.imageshack.us/img61/4897/avpc125bf.gifBut then she gets comfortable. Is it just me or does it look like she's going to cry too? Kim leaves, Ron's watching the scrapbook when Wade calls. img61.imageshack.us/img61/5518/avpc137yl.gifRon says that Snowman Hank getting canceled is bad... but it's worse that Kim made him a "perfect gift", while he only got her Bueno Nacho Bueno bucks... again. XD img101.imageshack.us/img101/347/avpc143tq.gifOh noes! Drakken's going to ruin Kim's Christmas! Ron's off to save the daaaaaaay! Cut to Drakken, he mumbles about Roast Beast, Shego leaves. Back to Kim & the fam. Kim's helping Nana Possible set up little Santa figurines. Nana: Your grandfather and I got that one on our first Christmas together. Kim: that's why it's my favorite. Kind of a random feelgood scene, unless it's forshadowing? Probably just reading too much into it. img211.imageshack.us/img211/5043/avpc155kb.gif"Ron was pretty bummed about Snowman Hank... I hope he's all right." Ron goes after Drakken ("Commencing take off sequence... Commencing landing sequence... Commencing-Commencing-Com-Please make up your mind" ;D ) they get stranded in the arctic, etc. Back with Kim, she gets a package with a new Kimmunicator from Wade, bringing the news that... img243.imageshack.us/img243/3504/avpc161zp.gif"Ron went on a mission-alone?" She cares less about Drakken's 'Drak force 1." img120.imageshack.us/img120/7964/avpc172dg.gifAfter searching the last escape pod, Kim still can't find Ron. img120.imageshack.us/img120/2648/avpc186nc.gifKim heads to the arctic and finds Ron, who looks like the first thing he wants to do is hug her. img207.imageshack.us/img207/3945/avpc196qu.gifWhich indeed, they do. Interesting how they've gone from that picture on the front of the scrapbook to this. img133.imageshack.us/img133/9908/avpc206ec.gifA cute image. img133.imageshack.us/img133/5108/avpc230lw.gifSorry I couldn't get a good shot of this.. Stupid Disney banner.  img207.imageshack.us/img207/3958/avpc203zt.gifDon't worry Ron, you didn't ruin christmas. img291.imageshack.us/img291/4413/avpc215po.gifAs he stares at her, she does a little hop away from him. img207.imageshack.us/img207/5382/avpc227bx.gifBut still puts her hand on his shoulder. Kim says something about the Bueno Nacho bucks... img133.imageshack.us/img133/6528/avpc249kf.gifRon laughs nervously and puts his arm around her shoulder. Later, inside the mystically tranformed trash receptical... img109.imageshack.us/img109/5902/avpc253hb.gifRon: Kim's cute when she's confused. img109.imageshack.us/img109/7094/avpc262hc.gifDrakken: "Look who's under the mistletoe!" img179.imageshack.us/img179/2209/avpc278tk.gifKim goes in for the kill. img210.imageshack.us/img210/9661/avpc288mm.gifThe aftershock. That's all I got. Have at them what you will. ———————————————— [end of page 26] |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 16:39:14 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page 27
A Very Possible Christmas continued. Cached by Google on Aug 9, 2005 06:52:50 GMT. (Read 13,137 times) jarmitc2032 Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 552 Location: Kingsland, GA « Reply #390 on Jul 13, 2005, 10:17pm » cloudmonet and Kryptocow, nice pics. ———————————————— Sydney Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 52 « Reply #391 on Jul 14, 2005, 1:29am » Hey guys, I always love checking and reading what's new or what someone found, with all the caps too- sorry I haven't had time to really comment myself, I have all these eps but haven't gotten a chance to watch them and keep an eye out for stuff because of happy, exciting things like the world of furniture. *sigh* I kind of feel like watching AVPC just for the feel-good factor. That gif kind of makes me feel better as it is. Interesting thoughts on Shego being a sort of Raven or Violet as a teenager cloud...I haven't read any, but I think there are some fanfics out there about Violet maybe doing just that...it'd kind of be an interesting thing to tackle if maybe you thought that Shego was her...family of supervillians, Violet, frustrated with her "protective" type powers, looks for something more...eh but I guess that probably wouldn't work. I digress. Like people have said, it would have been cool we'd had more episodes about Shego's family...but as I think I read somewhere on the "are ron's parents oblivious" thread, the show's called Kim Possible. Oh well. I guess the biggest thing from AVPC is showing once again the lengths that Ron will go to do what he can to make Kim happy. It wasn't even a "Ron needing to prove himself" thing, this time- I guess from what happened over the course of the Fearless Ferret, he kind of got over that. But he does anyways, managing to thwart Drakken (which could have been impressive to Kim, even if she had been worried sick about him) even if it resulted in a North Pole landing. And also that, as Forlong said, Ron is a part of their family. His last name is a technicality. I mean, even if Ron's family obviously wasn't doing anything for Christmas, he might have still wanted to be with them...some family friends of ours that are Jewish go to the movies together on Christmas. *shrug* But he was over at her house, the rest of her family completely nonplussed at his being there, because it had become a tradition. Which is, of course, what the season's all about.  Haha, and I love all you guys' caps and captions. They made me laugh. Especially the "We wonder if Ron will ever wash this cheek after this" and the commentary on yours Kryptocow. ;D (Kim does a little hop. Hadn't noticed that before...and I'll have to watch for the "wow" thing.) And now sleep and maybe more at some point...but I'm always reading! I swear, someone could do a pretty intense thesis on Kim and Ron, we've got the evidence all here... ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #392 on Jul 14, 2005, 1:46pm » It's no wonder A Very Possible Christmas is a fan favorite. There's shippy moments for Kim and Ron, some for the Drakken and Shego shippers as well. In this episode, we see lots of hugs, and most important, Kim's first kiss on the cheek to Ron. We can also see just how much Ron is a part of the Possible household. It's tradition to light the house, sing carols, and make eggnog. But none of it seems right without Ron there sitting there, and watching Snowman Hank. From the beginning, we can see Kim giving Ron plenty of looks. Is she intentionally being seductive here? Or is she more passive because of the holiday? In either case, Ron responds with a familiarity reserved with only close couples. He lies down on the couch, his head close to her knees. Unfortunately, Ron's tradition is shattered when Snowman Hank is cancelled. Kim cheers him up with a present: a cyber scrapbook filled with pics of them together. If there one thing Kim and Ron value more than their friendship, it's the memories that they have shared together. Now look at the cover. There's a reason why this pic is on the cover. We can deduce two things here. One, Kim is crushing on Ron, even though he's unresponsive. Two, she's opening the possibility of them dating together. The gift in general is Kim's way of saying, "We've had a lot of good memories in the past. What about our future together?" Ron's reaction is to break down and cry. Notice that he leans on her first, which does surprise her a bit. It's not quite what Kim had in mind, which is why Kim only comforts Ron instead of fully embracing him. Kim leaves. Wade calls. Drakken and Shego are doing evil again. Ron, realizing how lame his gift to Kim is compared to the one she gave him, decides to take on Drakken alone so Kim could have Christmas with her family. A little off subject here, but next we get a clue that Kim's grandfather is now deceased. And then Kim realizes the Ron is missing. Later, when it's eggnog time, even Nana Possible notices that Ron and Rufus are missing. Kim, knowing Ron too well, gets the feeling that something isn't right. Later, Kim gets the message from Wade that Ron went to stop Drakken alone. Setting Ron above as her number one priority, she tells her family she has to go. Now watch Mrs. Possible. She knows that Kim is leaving to rescue her boyfriend. Then Kim says this: KIM: I'll get Ron, and we'll be back in time for presents. Notice that she says, "we." Ron is part of the Christmas equation. She wants him there. She needs him there. This is later reinforced with these lines: SHEGO: Hey! Aren't you supposed to be home bobbing for cider or something? KIM: Not without Ron! Next, Kim is being attacked by the anaconda as she approaches the escape pod. She says this: KIM: Ron, get out of that pod and help me! Ron is always there to help Kim whenever she needs it. Kim assumes that Ron will be in the escape pod, just because she's in a dire situation. It's an automatic response. And it shows how bad things can be when they're not together. Kim is rescued by her family. She goes up to the escape pod to find Ron's not there. She returns to her family heartbroken. For the first time, she contemplates that Ron is now dead. She begins to cry, blaming herself and mourning her loss. She hopes Ron is still alive by saying she doesn't know where he is. But her hope is fading away until the tweebs tell her about Shego. Kim finds Ron in the North Pole. This time they fully embrace. Ron has been close to death and has reevaluated his relationship with Kim. Kim knows that she's willing to go to the ends of the earth for Ron. And Ron, feeling bad about the Bueno Nacho bueno bucks gift, goes over to Kim and puts his arm around her. This move surprises her, and she feels it more than a act of friendship. And then Ron begins leaning towards Kim. Perhaps they would have had thier first kiss together here if not interrupted by Shego. But Kim takes her chance under the parsley/missletoe. Ron gets lost in a daze, obviously enjoying the moment he shared with her. The episode ends with Jim putting it best. "This is the weirdest Christmas ever." ————————————————
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cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 702 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #393 on Jul 14, 2005, 2:57pm » All very true. The biggest problem is figuring out when it happened (relative to other episodes) and whether it has any effect that carries over. As it is, it's kind of a harbinger of things to come, Ron and Kim somewhere between childhood friends and deeply attached couple. This could have been the episode when they got together. But once Christmas is over, whenever it happened, it's back to life as usual. Drakken's unleasing a bag of freak, and Kim and Ron are back in the delusion that they're just friends. We'll have similar problems with "A Sitch in Time," a few episodes from now, strong evidence of Kim and Ron being way more deeply bonded, but alas, due to all the time stream alterations, they won't remember most of it. It's almost as if the creators are teasing and tantalizing the K/R shippers at this point in the saga, dangling a real relationship in front of us repeatedly and then pulling back. « Last Edit: Jul 14, 2005, 3:00pm by cloudmonet » ———————————————— Porphyria_Kris Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 557 Location: Alabama « Reply #394 on Jul 14, 2005, 3:23pm » Jul 14, 2005, 1:46pm, J2 wrote: “Now look at the cover. There's a reason why this pic is on the cover. We can deduce two things here. One, Kim is crushing on Ron, even though he's unresponsive.” I always thought of it more as Kim's crushing Ron... There's not much reason for him to be unresponsive like that considering how long they've been friends... he'd take it in stride even if it was a bit unusual for her to hug him so closely. So we have a few options... one is that Kim totally surprised him and, being the jumpy guy that he can and considering he must have been jumped from the back and captured many a time, he must have freaked. This last is the most likely. Another option is that, well, Kim is a strong girl. It could be that, right there, Kim forgot exactly how strong she is and is crushing Ron's rib cage... which would explain the pained/distressed look on his face. ———————————————— Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 306 « Reply #395 on Jul 14, 2005, 4:12pm » Jul 14, 2005, 2:57pm, cloudmonet wrote: “It's almost as if the creators are teasing and tantalizing the K/R shippers at this point in the saga, dangling a real relationship in front of us repeatedly and then pulling back.” I'm not sure it's so much teasing as it is trying to reflect the emotional confusion that Kim and Ron are going through - it comes to full fruition in StD, obviously, but you can see the confusion even now as Kim tries to figure out what exactly Ron is to her - and vice versa. Ron may be the first to actually verbalize it (and then only to Rufus!) in StD (although Kim did try with Monique, to be fair) but they're both caught up in fearing that to move forward would be to destroy the past - and their friendship forever. so... teasing, most probably. Realistic, I'd put my money on it.  ———————————————— |
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« Reply #396 on Jul 14, 2005, 4:20pm »
Jul 12, 2005, 9:47pm, cloudmonet wrote:
“One other note about "Go Team Go"-- The design of the heat seeking hummingbirds is inspired by the tesselated animals of M. C. Escher's prints (although the hummingbirds are not shown tiled together). They even fly in a pattern like the birds in one of his wood engravings! You might check out his art if you come across one of his books in either a library or bookstore.”
Had a crystallography and optical minerology prof who used Escher to illustrate crystallographic concepts like twinning, lattices, anisotropy and interpenetrant twins. I'll probably have those pictures ingrained in my memory forever.
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Hay does any body have pic of the end of the ep. the Christmas card after the song? I like that pic! And I like the song!! Funny! "Have a rutenest tutenest, chris crengelest favorite time of year!!!!!! Yipa!" ;D
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« Reply #398 on Jul 14, 2005, 9:03pm »
I don't have a whole lot to add to the discussion of "AVPC" that's gone on so far, but here goes:
One thing I notice about this ep is that it shows a progression in Ron's relationship with Drakken, and by extension his further development as solo adventurer. As recently as "Naked Genius" Ron was fairly intimidated by Drakken, allowing the blue meanie to manhandle and threaten him. But in "AVPC" Ron stands up to Drakken and is willing to slug it out (well, shove it out) mano-a-mano. This is a trend we'll see continue all the way through the climax of "StD" when it finally becomes *Drakken* who cowers before *Ron*.
Adding to the fantasy element of the episode is that Kim manages to travel around the world on Christmas Eve (to London, the Sahara, the Amazon, and the Arctic) in what seems to be just a few hours. Now, we're used to Kim and Ron being able to jet off to remote corners of the world at a moment's notice and still make it back for the homeroom bell, but it strikes me this is both the most picaresque and most outrageous example of Kim's globe trotting in the entire series. One almost expected to see her hitching along in Santa's sleigh:
KP: Thanks for the ride Santa!
SC: Think nothing of it Kimberly! After all, you did save my workshop from being roasted by the hole in the ozone!
KP: No big! It doesn't take much sunscreen to cover an elf!
SC: Ho ho ho!
A couple of family matters: I wonder how Drakken gets out of having to spend Christmas with his mother? And since Nana Possible was at the Possible home, I wonder why Uncle Slim and Joss didn't join the rest of the family?
And finally, to address the question of how (at all) to fit this story into the "KP" canon -- it seems to me we could almost write the whole thing off as a dream or fantasy of Ron's if we wanted. Think about it: distraught over the cancellation of Snowman Hank, Ron drifts off to sleep and has a dream in which he singlehandedly defeats one of Drakken's world conquest schemes while a distraught Kim searches the world for him. In his fantasy Kim displays her feelings for Ron more openly (but not to the point of open romance, which Ron isn't ready to face), Ron is able to use the stength of snowman-y goodness to (temporarily) reform Drakken, and cupcakes, Xmas decorations and Snowman Hank himself appear. It would've been the perfect capper to the episode -- moreso than in "Rewriting History" -- to have it end with Ron waking up just in time for eggnog.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 16:42:47 GMT -5
cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 702 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #399 on Jul 14, 2005, 10:15pm » That would be even more frustrating, I think, unless at least the photo album was real. ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 278 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #400 on Jul 14, 2005, 11:33pm » ya! but does any body have a pic of the foto? I need it. ———————————————— Porphyria_Kris Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 557 Location: Alabama « Reply #401 on Jul 15, 2005, 1:06am » Jul 14, 2005, 9:03pm, GnuHopper wrote: That made me giggle because it's so darn fitting. XD For the plausible theory for that I'm thinkin' we check the last name, Lipsky. My guess is that Drakken's family is more likely to put an emphasis on Channukah, like the Stoppables. So that leaves Christmas open for Drakken to make his own traditions... whether it be an attempt at world domination or the yearly viewing of Snowman Hank. ———————————————— Kryptocow Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 396 « Reply #402 on Jul 15, 2005, 1:19am » Jul 14, 2005, 7:35pm, KR FOREVER wrote: “Hay does any body have pic of the end of the ep. the Christmas card after the song? I like that pic! And I like the song!! Funny! "Have a rutenest tutenest, chris crengelest favorite time of year!!!!!! Yipa!" ;D” Shoot, I thought I uploaded it. Well, here it is anyway:  ———————————————— Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 306 « Reply #403 on Jul 15, 2005, 11:23am » I think it's perhaps best to take AVPC out of the KP continuity totally and write it off as a stand-alone ep that might be compared to the Star Wars Christmas Special.... not that it's as BAD, God forbid... but to try and make it work even from a cartoon POV is almost impossible, as stated above with time factors and the like... but it's still a darned good ep!!! and, btw... WHERE did the Extreme Xmas guys go? ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #404 on Jul 15, 2005, 12:42pm » AVPC could be a dream. But if it is, then it was certainly overused for Season 2. We already had a dream sequence in The Fearless Ferret. Rewriting History is a dream sequence as well. And the events in ASIT didn't really happen due to time paralles. I like to think the ending of AVPC as a parody of Christmas shows in general. Snowman Hank almost looks like the snowman from Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer.  Also, the ending is a way to celebrate the holidays with a non-religious, politically-correct way that doesn't mention either Christmas or Hanukkah. The message is to spend time with friends (or enemies in this case) and your family (or substitute family for Ron). ———————————————— [end of page 27] |
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Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) Page 28Cached by Google on Aug 11, 2005, 9:03pm (Read 13,907 times) ———————————————— Porphyria_Kris Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 557 Location: Alabama « Reply #405 on Jul 15, 2005, 12:49pm » Jul 15, 2005, 12:42pm, J2 wrote: “I like to think the ending of AVPC as a parody of Christmas shows in general. Snowman Hank almost looks like the snowman from Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer.” Yeah, that's the impression that I got from this episode. It doesn't matter if meeting up with Snowman Hank is impossible, or a temporary reform for Drakken and Shego is highly unlikely... it's a Christmas special. Anything is possible as long as it involves "friends, family, and the power of turning bad guys good". ;D ———————————————— Darth Vader 9000 Guest « Reply #406 on Jul 15, 2005, 12:55pm » Thats what I say to myself it was a X-mas show ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 294 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #407 on Jul 15, 2005, 1:15pm » Jul 15, 2005, 1:19am, Kryptocow wrote: “Shoot, I thought I uploaded it. Well, here it is anyway:” img346.imageshack.us/img346/2002/untitled19ze.gifThanx!!!!! Ilove the song they sing! So thanx for the card! ;D ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #408 on Jul 15, 2005, 2:01pm » There is also the fact that a lot of season two comes in conceptual duets. For example: Ron's crush on another girl (203 Grudge Match and 204 Vir-tu-Ron). Monkey Fist episodes (224 Full Monkey, 225 Exchange). Seniors episodes (226 Oh Boyz, 227 Triple S). Evil robots (212 Queen Bebe, 213 Car Trouble). Education-themed episodes (205 Two To Tutor, 206 Naked Genius). And here, holiday episodes (215 A Very Possible Christmas, 216 Mother's Day). And what's more, episodes which explore the good sides of Shego or Drakken, (214 Go Team Go, 215 A Very Possible Christmas). Note sparkles used in both of these. All this clues us in mostly to how ideas spawn other ideas when you have a team brainstorming. The other two holiday episodes, "October 31" and "Mother's Day," don't have comparable sequencing problems, and could have occurred in their production sequence order. "Mother's Day" following "Go Team Go" makes a lot of sense. In "Mother's Day," Drakken shows a most persistant interest in "synthoplasma," which seems rather like the stuff he spilled in "Go Team Go," though harder to control. There are some patterns to Drakken's mad science which can be traced through the series. Oh well. I'm gonna stick with putting "A Very Possible Christmas" a couple months after "October 31," wherever that falls in the sequence, I'm guessing not long after Zita, and say that Kim was a bit overwhelmed by the holiday spirit and her true feelings for Ron popped out (to her surprise), and that once Christmas was over, like Drakken, she had second thoughts. It won't be the last time she pulls back from almost being Ron's girlfriend. As for the "Snowman Hank" ending, I could rationally interpret this as they all sang the song together in the garbage pod, mentally putting themselves in Hank's space, and since this episode is a Christmas special, we're shown what they're imagining (with sparkles to represent the shift from "reality"), with a family Christmas card (including Ron) at the end. « Last Edit: Jul 15, 2005, 3:33pm by cloudmonet » IP: Logged ————————————————
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 17:04:39 GMT -5
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« Reply #409 on Jul 15, 2005, 2:14pm »
This piece of dialouge is often overlooked:
Yoshiko: Nakasumi-san says it is the least he can do, after you saved his video game factory in time for Christmas rush.
Kim: No big. I just hope I can save this Christmas.
So this ep is over a year after "Crush".
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« Reply #411 on Jul 15, 2005, 3:54pm »
A good point from Erased Paper:
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Yoshiko: Nakasumi-san says it is the least he can do, after you saved his video game factory in time for Christmas rush.
Kim: No big. I just hope I can save this Christmas.
So this ep is over a year after "Crush".”
At this point we start running out of years, unless we assume "Crush" is a freshman year story (not a bad idea, otherwise all of season one happens in just September-October of sophomore year). It's kind of hard to imagine "A Very Possible Christmas" belonging in the middle of Junior Year, near the very end of season 2, sometime between "Ron Millionnaire" and "Steal Wheels."
It seems like the creators used to be thinking, "Showdown at Crooked D" would be summer vacation between Junior and Senior Years, and "Steal Wheels" would start the senior year, ending with "So the Drama," being Senior Prom. But, for whatever reason, when season three was actually made, they decided to make it second semester of Junior Year, and "So the Drama" junior prom. I can't think of any reason to make this change other than enabling a hypothetical season four to still occur at Middleton High School. It introduces chronological complications that are virtually impossible to solve.
It's easier for me to dismiss Yoshiko's remark as a mistake (or maybe put "Crush" in their freshman year) than to move "A Very Possible Christmas" a whole year farther forward. Actually, Yoshiko's remark could refer to saving the factory a few months earlier. Kim's remark could be the mistake. Changing one word to make her say "I just hope I can save my Christmas," would solve the whole conundrum. (Which is what she means, anyway). We could be reading too much into Kim's remark to say for sure she meant "Crush" was more than a year ago. She was rather stressed out when she said this.
There's a similar problem with the "Hidden Talent" reference in "Rappin Drakken." I think we just have to allow for some mistakes in the text, and try to find the most parsimonious (if not absolutely indisputable) sequence we can.
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« Reply #412 on Jul 15, 2005, 7:58pm »
Hmmm what episode are we looking at now? Yes, I am trying to add myself randomly to the convo.
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« Reply #413 on Jul 15, 2005, 10:25pm »
Jul 15, 2005, 3:54pm, cloudmonet wrote:
“I think we just have to allow for some mistakes in the text, and try to find the most parsimonious (if not absolutely indisputable) sequence we can.”
Well put. I'm not certain precisely how the show engenders this level of analysis, but it's not stopping me from joining in.
Steve Loter did say in January 2005 that K&R were seniors in season 3, but season 3 just doesn't have that senior year feel to it -- no one's worried about what college to go to or what the future holds.
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« Reply #414 on Jul 16, 2005, 1:33am »
And in April 2005, Steve, Mark and Bob all said they were juniors. The question is:
"Job Unfair"/"Golden Years-- defined as spring break.
"Mother's Day"-- a few episodes later, and later spring.
In between, "A Very Possible Christmas." The question, where does it go? is an important one, since it seems to be the first time Kim kissed Ron in any fashion, and all the other holiday-enhanced "shippy" moments between them. I'm arguing in favor of early season two, after "October 31," and probably after Zita, a period when Kim seemed closer to Ron than usual. Erased Paper seems to think it should be much later. The Junior/Senior season three debate plays into this.
I'm in favor of assuming production order is close to "actual" order in Kim's life, unless there's an anomaly, and Christmas between spring break and Mother's Day is an anomaly.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 17:05:42 GMT -5
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« Reply #415 on Jul 16, 2005, 3:51am »
I never can get a handle on the production order. It's hard to tell with Middleton always having nice spring weather except whenever a script calls for snow. Also there's little evidence of spring break or summer vacations. And while we have a few holiday episodes, they don't seem celebrated in any particular order.
The thing to do then is this: realize in some episodes Kim and Ron are really close. And others they are a bit distant from each other. Oddly, this is how real relationships works. Despite this, Kim and Ron keep track of each other.
Getting back on track, AVPC probably takes place right before Day Of The Snowmen. Notice that Kim and Ron decide to spend the day together extreme sledding rather than the Possible family tradition. It's a date for them, and not surprising after the events in A Very Possible Christmas. It's just a theory.
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« Reply #416 on Jul 16, 2005, 11:39am »
Well, "Golden Years," actually says it happens during Spring Break, and that the "Job Unfair" incident happened a week earlier. And the holidays date themselves.
"Day of the Snowmen" would be another anomaly, unless one assumes the weather machine can make snow any time of year, in which case one would expect more comments about the anomaly of snow in May! But wait! Brain freeze! "Snowmen" has to happen at least sometime after "Job Unfair," since it's supposed to be the same machine, previously used to conquer Canada. Hypothesizing repeated attempted conquests of Canada with weather machines is a bit much. This would put "Snowmen," and if you want to put them together, "Christmas," both deep into Junior year, by which time both Kim and Ron are usually behaving noticeably differently than they do here. I think we just have to accept that with both these episodes, the creators were thinking what was made before was what happened before, ignoring the fragments of winter placed so much at the wrong time of year. Of course, if Middleton were in Colorado, as some hypothesize from Senior's missile targeting map, snow in May would not necessarily be an anomaly; the overall lack of snow in most other episodes would be the anomaly.
Of course, I'm in northern California, where it usually doesn't snow at all (mostly, it rains in the winter), but on the other hand several times it has snowed in April. So the observed climate isn't absolutely impossible. Make "Snowmen" a weather machine induced May blizzard. I don't see any other solution that doesn't cause worse anomalies than it solves.
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« Reply #417 on Jul 16, 2005, 12:49pm »
Jul 16, 2005, 11:39am, cloudmonet wrote:
“Of course, if Middleton were in Colorado, as some hypothesize from Senior's missile targeting map, snow in May would not necessarily be an anomaly; the overall lack of snow in most other episodes would be the anomaly.”
That map showed pretty much the *entire* Western United States. I can't see presuming the target was in Colorado based on that map.
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« Reply #418 on Jul 17, 2005, 11:16am »
Let's move on to "Mother's Day"
I don't have any screencaps of this one, yet, but despite the fact that Kim spend most of this episode with her mom, I notice it would be possible to extract a few cute pictures of Kim and Ron working together (or otherwise interacting).
This episode seems to happen not long after "Go Team Go," on Mother's Day, of course, later in the spring than "Job Unfair," and "Golden Years," the two episodes internally timed by spring break.
Drakken's after synthoplasma, a thermos bottle sized container of trouble. The man's persistant. He tries to steal it twice, from a heavily guarded ship, and from an automated and completely unguarded train. The first time we see Drakken and Shego working together to get it, popping out of the water wearing diving equipment, doing a high-tech lock picking, and generally seeming (except for their intentions) very much like Kim and Ron at work!
Only problem for them is, the real Kim and Ron show up, and foil them with a synthoplasma can passing game, very like what they'll try to do with the monkey statue head in "A Sitch in Time." (That time won't work so well, but the opposing team is larger.)
Mission accomplished, or so it seems, and Kim and Ron both go home to spend time with their moms. Kim becomes a brain surgeon nurse for awhile-- an emergency procedure on Sunday, not to mention, well, okay, Kim can do anything, but when did she learn anything about assisting brain surgery? (Of course there's all sorts of moral and legal complications with this, but it's Kim's show. I'll let this one pass without further comment.)
Meanwhile Ron's mother has him attempting to clean out the garage, in which the cardboard boxes seem to be turning into a game of Tetris (or something similar).
Brain surgery done for the day, Kim and Mom are interrupted by Wade (who's eating a catered meal in his room with his mom). So now Mom dons her mission clothes (seen before in "A Very Possible Christmas) and insists on playing sidekick.
"Mom, I need Ron!"
"Well, today you don't have Ron."
Again, note the long way we've come since "The Ron Factor." In Kim's mind, at least, Ron has become essential.
Well how does Mom do? She has a couple of moments of Ronlike failure, but as soon as she sees parallels between what Kim's trying to accomplish, stopping the train, stopping the green gelatinous blob, and brain surgery or neuroscience, she pretty much takes over leadership of the mission. Kim, a little out of character, notices the kimmunicator's electric shock makes the blob back off, and doesn't use think to use this discovery to mount an attack until it's a bit too late. Mom tries a more subtle approach with the electric signals, attempting to simulate brainwaves. Kim actually gets swallowed by the blob, but fortunately not digested, while Mom's trying to find the right kind of brainwave to communicate with it. You're actually pretty good at mad science, Mrs. Dr. P, but Ron would never let Kim get swallowed!
Leave it to Kim to find a way to get Ron involved! They take the blob over to his house, where it eats the contents of the garage, leaving only the garden gnome. Forunately, or maybe they could at this point tell it what to eat, it doesn't eat the garage itself. Well, why wouldn't it? It ate most of a train.
Drakken, Shego, a clueless Mrs. Lipsky, and the henchmen? Oh, they got away this time. It is, of course, hilarious to watch the mad scientist be cowed by a little old housewife. Well, Drewbie went to college with Kim's graying hair dad, whose own mom, Nana Possible, is a senior citizen who seems about 70, at least. Mrs Lipsky looks and acts much younger (later 50's, I guess). Not too hard to work this out, but interesting.
Actually, we see quite a bit relevant to Drakken/Shego shipping here, some positive (working together rather like Kim and Ron at the beginning), some negative (Shego's reaction to Mrs. Lipsky suggesting her as a "nice girl" for Drakken). Of course, even if Shego was interested in Drakken that way, letting his mom know would be a path to endless harassment re marriage and children, which would be hard for either of them to take. Given Shego's trouble with Team Go, and Drakken's with his mom, a wedding would be catastophic hilarity beyond my imagination. So with these thoughts about the Bonnie and Clyde of mad science, I'll pass the discussion on to whoever else has ideas.
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« Reply #420 on Jul 17, 2005, 1:49pm »
Uh, incidentally, what episode are we on?
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« Reply #421 on Jul 17, 2005, 5:32pm »
Mother's Day.
BTY: I don't see Kim showing interest of any kind in Ron after October 31st. Think. At the end of Octber 31st Kim sugested that the three of them (Kim, Ron, & Josh) could go Trick or Treating together next year. Kim goes out with Ron and Josh. The guys probably tried to get along, but didn't do well. Kim was torn between the guy she liked and her best friend. Kim started to think that Ron might be "Mr. Right". Steve Lotor did say that Kim's kiss was party because of the tradition and partly becuase she just wanted to. She must have rethought it by Blush and The Full Monkey, which is why she went after Josh in those episodes, to get the romantic thoughts of Ron out of her head imediately.
As for Mother's Day. Let's see how Ron treats his mom. A little like how he treats Kim, but his mom isn't quite as understanding. Look at the glare she gives him when he's about to ditch his work. Doesn't it remind you of a certain red-head's many glares.
And you know what they say, "Men marry women that remind them of their mothers."
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« Reply #422 on Jul 17, 2005, 9:25pm »
Mother's Day is not a shippy episode at all, especially since Kim and Ron spend almost the entire episode apart. Already stated is where Kim tells her mother, "I need Ron." But there is also this line:
DRAKKEN: Kim Possible?!
RON: And don't forget, Ron Stoppable!
DRAKKEN: Yeah, whatever.
Translation: "I'm her partner, best friend, and we're almost a couple. You can't stop us!" Drakken's remark frustrates Ron. Why does Drakken continue to view them as two separate entities, and one of them doesn't even matter? Ron was willing to let this slide in the past. But this will continue to bother Ron until we will see this reach the boiling point in STD. This is Ron's first enforcement on a subconscious level that he's her boyfriend. Later, Kim and her mother discuss what Ron would do if he was there. This shows that Kim is always thinking about him. Mrs. Possible has thoughts about Ron too. She wonders what Ron's actions are as her daughter's helper and friend. What becomes apparent to Mrs. Possible is that whatever Ron does (The Ron Factor), it works. And therefore, nobody else can take his position, even though she and Kim were successful on the mission.
The rest of the episode is dedicated to Kim and her mother. We also see some shippiness between Drakken and Shego with Mrs. Lipski playing matchmaker for her little boy. And we get a clue about why Ron doesn't communicate with his parents at all; as Mrs. Stoppable suggests a clean garage as a special gift from her son. One thing I've always found disappointing is that we don't know how Mr. and Mrs. Stoppable respond to Kim. We have never seen them talk to her directly. This could be because they appear dense as parents, and fail to get involved in Ron's life. Or Ron may have issues with his parents talking to Kim. In either case, I wish the creators had taken the opportunity in this episode to address this, rather than give us an inside look to Drakken's past.
Good call Forlong, on Mrs. Stoppable giving Ron the same looks as Kim. I noticed this after your mentioning. Again, I wish we knew more about Ron's parents. We could make the comparison more closely between Mrs. Stoppable and Kim to explore this theory more.
One final thing here: notice that as soon as the mission is over, Kim has left her mom to spend the rest of the day with Ron. So much for quality mother/daughter time together. Kim is separating herself from her family to be with "her best friend." There's more shippiness here than I originally thought.
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« Reply #423 on Jul 17, 2005, 9:48pm »
Uh, yeah, look at Kim and Ron in front of the garage!
Drakken/Shego shippiness:
![]() www.carlmillerpoems.com/kimages/sdsmiles 2.1.jpg[/img] or maybe not (Shego's reaction to the suggestion from Mama Lipsky):  and last of all, I made a really neat composite of Kim carrying Ron through the air on her hairdryer cable. Kim's all business, but Ron, as usual, seems to enjoy the ride for some reason. By the way, where's the can of synthoplasma go? Ron was holding it before liftoff, he has it after landing, but I don't see it here. His large hand, as often seems the case, is having fun holding on.  Actually, now that I look more closely, I think the can's there, between Ron's glove and Kim's chest, but erroneously colored the same dark gray as his glove. « Last Edit: Jul 18, 2005, 3:24am by cloudmonet » ————————————————
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« Reply #424 on Jul 17, 2005, 10:47pm »
Well, I couldn't find any K/R shots in this episode, but there were some D/S shots that were so unusual that I just had to post em. Even though this isn't a D/S thread, this is one of the most explicitly D/S episodes I can think of.
Now, Shego makes a lot of googly faces in this episode, but most are just teasing responses to the various small humiliations Ms. Lipsky heaps upon her Drewbie. Nothing too unusual here, Shego's always enjoyed having fun at Drakken's expense.
However, towards the end, when Drakken's finally stealing the synthoplasm and Mama Lipsky's nowhere in sight, look at how Shego is looking at Dr. D while his back is turned.
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Now, that is not a normal look for Shego. Even when she's happy (i.e. on vacation) she still usually has a meanish, femme fatale, mess-with-me-and-die facial expression. Here she almost seems to be making puppy eyes at Drakken when he isn't looking. And the oddness goes on...
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Look at Shego's posture here. Hands clasped together and arms pulled downward, this is the classic "crushing on someone" pose.
This thread has brought up moments in past episodes where Kim would look at Ron with her appreciative "that's my Ron, he's so cute when he's being Ron" expression, usually when Ron's not looking. Here we seem to be seeing the same thing with Shego. Does she see Drakken as "that's my Dr. D, he's so cute when he's being evil"?
Of course, once Mama Lipsky comes into the room and interrupts, Shego gets all uncomfortable for a second, and quickly goes back to her usual "I eat puppies" scowl.
And here comes one of the most unusual moments in the entire episode. KP has just swiped the synthoplasm back from Drakken, as per usual. Drakken's been in this situation before dozens of times (including at the beginning of this episode), where he always would just scream "Shego, attack!" and sit back and watch. Instead, Drakken does the unthinkable for him, and actually attacks KP himself. This isn't the girly shoving matches he sometimes gets into with Ron, but an actual full-out punching brawl. Granted, it only lasts a couple of seconds, but that's more fighting than we've ever seen him do anytime else (Hulk Drakken from ASiT not included).
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Anyway, what's going on? This is Dr. Drakken, the man who totally fears physical violence. The man who always steers clear of the fighting, who totally hid behind Shego when up against Dementor's goons. Plus, of all people, Drakken should know what KP is capable of and just how truly dangerous she is. While attacking her isn't exactly suicidal (she ain't The Punisher), it's a recipe for LOTS of pain (as countless henchmen, robots, and a certain highly paid Impossible Mission Force can attest to), and Drakken has often shown us his aversion to pain.
Has anger at KP over-ridden his better judgment? Doubtful. KP's done much worse to him before, and he's never gotten angry enough to attack her himself.
Is he subconciously trying to prove something to Shego, perhaps prompted by all of Mama Lipsky's talk of finding a girl? We've seen how Ron is subconciously trying to prove to Kim that he can be a hero in his own right and worthy of being her partner. Is Drakken somehow trying to show Shego that he can be a man and put up a fight, even against one of the deadliest heroes on the planet, when necessary? (if only he knew that, in an alternate future, Shego arranges it so that the fighting is all that he ever does).
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« Reply #425 on Jul 18, 2005, 12:35am »
Hmm... perhaps you should make a revaluation of D/S feelings, those of you who seem to enjoy that.
Other than that, I think weve exhausted Mother's Day. Give it another day (no pun intended), then let's move on.
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« Reply #426 on Jul 18, 2005, 1:53am »
Jul 18, 2005, 12:35am, someguy wrote:
“Hmm... perhaps you should make a revaluation of D/S feelings, those of you who seem to enjoy that.”
Agreed. This definitely doesn't belong here.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 22:54:09 GMT -5
cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #427 on Jul 18, 2005, 3:35am » Quote: “Hmm... perhaps you should make a revaluation of D/S feelings, those of you who seem to enjoy that.” I don't think there's really many episodes which have much of these. This one had enough to get my attention. Someone made a remark awhile ago that Drakken and Shego were often used as a second comedic couple, often paralleling in some warped way what Kim and Ron are going through. In this episode, they diverge, and Shego's with Drakken, unlike Kim and Ron, who are separated. Shego's mom, if alive, is not in the picture. In the absence of Kim and Ron together, did the production team feel a need to "ship" someone, or is this a natural response to Mama Lipsky's clumsy attempts at matchmaking? Don't know, but I wouldn't call this completely irrelevant. ———————————————— Rufus vs. Commodore Puddlescloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #428 on Jul 18, 2005, 2:58pm » Well, okay then, as a vast silence falls across the thread, moving on to "Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles," an episode with small amounts of shipping, then after that, its partner, "Day of the Snowmen," which seems to have a bit more. In "Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles, we see the Stoppable garage, after being cleaned out by the Mother's Day blob, being used by Ron to stage a home movie, in which Rufus plays the part of a monster trashing a pretty well made miniature city. He stops to scarf a taco left on the set.  Meanwhile, Kim's looking through old Stoppable family video tapes, and comes across one Ron doesn't want her interested in, "Ron's Big Day." Wade interrupts with news that Drakken's ordered a shrink ray, and we're off to the desert. What's happened to Commodore Puddles? Last time we saw him, in "Kimitation Nation," he was white, and so vicious that Drakken used his ferocity to make his pesudoclones of Bonnie, Ron, Rufus, and Kim into relentless fighting machines. Now Puddles is pink, and not perceptably evil at all. Notice how, re the dog, Shego's treating Drakken in a manner similar to Mama Lipsky. Somehow, Puddles peeing on the shrink ray's electronics turns it into an enlarging ray. Well, it would have to be able to do that anyway, to reverse its own effects, unless the effects just wear off. This isn't established. So we have a giant pink poodle walking to Area 51. This really is an episode that feels like it was made for small children. General Simm's army is willing to destroy the base, presumably with everyone in it, rather than shooting a giant dog? This just doesn't stand up to analysis at all. Kim, Ron, and a giant Rufus manage to capture Puddles and Shego, largely because Puddles ends up on top of Shego in the giant cage, and Drakken sneaks into the lab and steals a flying saucer, unfortunately with aliens still aboard. How he gets out of this predicament is left to the viewer's imagination. Kim and Ron? Ron's not being much help on this mission. He's too busy filming the action as a better substitute for his original movie idea. Why General Simms allowed Ron to film anything in the first place, I don't know, but agents Smith and Smith confiscate the video and substitute "Ron's Big Day," in which we see Ron as a nude toddler on a toilet that looks huge, saying, "I make go potty." Kim, having suffered repeatedly through her own mother's embarrassing remarks about her early childhood, is sympathetic, and puts her hand on Ron's shoulder to comfort him while the scene fades to black.  « Last Edit: Jul 18, 2005, 6:14pm by cloudmonet » ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #429 on Jul 19, 2005, 5:53am » I need to go back to Mother's Day for just a second. I said that we don't know Ron's parents relationship to Kim. However in STD, Ron mentioned that his mother drove Kim to the orthodonist when her braces got stuck kissing another boy. This shows that Mrs. Stoppable does have some input into Kim's life, even if it's just a little. Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles does not have much shippiness. There is Ron calling Kim, "baby." It's not the first time he's called Kim that. And he called Monique that same name at the end of Pain King vs. Cleopatra. We also have the arm thing at the end of the episode. Again, not such a really big thing. Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles is more of a parody of movies in general. This episode is roughly eleven minutes long, and includes references to Jurassic Park, Godzilla, The Empire Strikes Back, Independence Day, and wrestling. What's not included, and perhaps should have been is the romantic comedy. This might have been too awkweird for our teen team, even if they were just acting and the script didn't call for a kiss. The episode is unusual. It brings back Commodore Puddles back so it can be his last appearance. Kim's rocket shoe has a seatbelt and helmet for Rufus. The military allows Ron to film Area 51, with General Simms demanding Ron get his good side. Even more amazing is that Kim doesn't seem to mind Ron filming her! Is she flattered that Ron is making her the object of his filming objection? Or does she know Ron is not going to pay attention to the mission anyways because he has the Tri-City Film Festival on his mind? The only thing about this episode is that it sets up Blush. 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cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #430 on Jul 19, 2005, 11:42am » It is noticeable that Kim's hanging out with Ron while he's making his special effects masterpiece. She's not too interested in it, nonetheless she's there, and curious about old stuff relating to him. The "baby" remark gets my attention, but seems to be more Ron pretending to be a director talking to his film's leading lady than something he'd call her in any other context. Whether he'll do it now that they're dating is unknown, but she did call him "baby" in Emotion Sickness, under moodulator influence. And I didn't mention this, but this pair of shorts makes a typical season two conceptual pair with the previous episode, "Mother's Day," in that all three put Kim in B-movie monster scenarios, a gelatinous blob, giant animals, and, um, zombie snowmen? -------- Oh, and while I was looking back at that page, an aside to Erased Paper: Quote: Mrs. Possible: Sorry dear, we deal in science. Mr. Possible: Not mad science. I'm quite aware of the "Bonding" remark, but contra this remark, "Mother's Day" shows Kim's mom dealing with mad science rather well. Also contra, Pinky Joe Curlytail's battle armor shows Dad actually doing some mad science, back in his college days. « Last Edit: Jul 19, 2005, 11:55am by cloudmonet » ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #431 on Jul 19, 2005, 12:30pm » In The New Ron, Ron calls Kim "mama." In The Ron Factor, Ron calls Monique "girlfriend." So Ron calling Kim "baby" isn't real shippiness. He is acting like a Hollywood director. It is a bit more provocative than their typical pet names like "Kimbo" or "Ronnie." « Reply #432 on Jul 20, 2005, 4:54am » Now that I've thought about it more, I'm going to say that the shippiness in this episode involves Ron filming Kim. Ron's focus is not just a science fiction action movie. His number one star is Kim. Kim doesn't stop Ron because she is curious of how Ron will project her. In other words, what does Ron see in her? Since Ron is more impressed with her action more than her looks or body, Kim feels more inclined to give Ron a stellar performance. And Ron, knowing the best way to get a high action movie filled with thrills, spills, and chills, only has to turn the camera on to Kim. The consolation Kim gives to Ron at the end is not only for the embarrassment he feels, but for the loss of knowing what Ron is feeling through his camera. It's more than Kim jumping out of a helicopter to grab a remote. It's his best friend, showing beauty, grace, and courage as she dives to the ground below, with only a rope and a hook to save her; heaven forbid it should snap. Alas, the tape is broken in half in front of her. In it's place, Kim sees a naked Ron successfully doing potty training. ———————————————— Rhonda Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 490 Location: Littleton « Reply #433 on Jul 20, 2005, 6:57pm » WOW that last post was deep.  Wow never thot of that episode that way either.....hmm i'll have to watch that. ———————————————— GnuHopper Guest « Reply #434 on Jul 20, 2005, 9:56pm » Are we ready for Day of the Snowmen? Personally I prefer it to Rufus vs Commodore Puddles, and it certainly has a higher K/R count. But to tell the truth I never much cared for the 11 minute episodes, amusing as some of them admittedly are, because they lack the depth and plot twists that give the series its flavor. Reduced to half their normal length a "Kim Possible" episode becomes too simplistic -- as Cloudmonet says of "RvsCP", they become more childish. GH ———————————————— [end of page 29] |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 22:58:06 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (season 2) page 30 Cached by Google on Aug 17, 2005 00:57:27 GMT. (Read 14,932 times) ———————————————— Rhonda Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 490 Location: Littleton « Reply #435 on Jul 20, 2005, 10:05pm » Really, can we move on a little bit? I didn't really like that ep. either. ———————————————— Day of the Snowmencloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 746 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #436 on Jul 21, 2005, 2:34am » Let's give "Day of the Snowmen" a little bit of time. There are some interesting things about Kim and Ron to notice here. Kim blows off her parents' idea of fun in the snow to go sledding with Ron. The Tweebs are attempting to make money clearing snow from driveways, a rather more mature pursuit, and Kim and Ron-- well are they on a date of some sort, or just two kids playing on a sled?  At this moment of ambiguous awareness, I realize that this is how it all began, this is the heart of the bond between them. We've been seeing a lot of images of Kim and Ron as small kids lately, ever since "Christmas," probably from designs made with the needs of "A Sitch in Time" in mind. Imagine Kim and Ron as two little kids on a sled finding a common bond in thrill seeking. We're seeing a replay of this here. No wonder it looks ambiguous. This is where they started, and where they'll culminate in "So the Drama."  Fighting the mutant snowmen is almost all Kim's job. They seem totally vulnerable to her kung fu kicks, but not much else anyone can muster, and they keep reassembling themselves. The source: Drakken's weather machine loaded with the polluted waters of Lake Wannaweep. Which, by the way, forces this episode to happen on the edge of summer, after "Job Unfair" (the week before spring break) but before "Return to Wannaweep," near the beginning of Junior year, probably September, because by then the lake is (mostly) cleaned up and renamed Gottagrin, probably in response to the zombie snowmen attack of this episode. Any significant new K/R developments? Not really « Last Edit: Jul 21, 2005, 2:37am by cloudmonet » ———————————————— Porphyria_Kris Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 579 Location: Alabama « Reply #437 on Jul 21, 2005, 3:01am » The thing that got me about this ep. is how easily Kim blows of her parents for Ron. Even Mrs. Dr. P., probably the biggest Kim/Ron shipper on the series, gets frustrated by the fact that Kim has plopped Ron ahead of them in her priorities list and gives a bang blowing sigh of frustration.  ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #438 on Jul 21, 2005, 3:19am » This episode is where we see Kim and Ron as they begin converting into a couple. It starts with the break of the Possible family tradition so they can be together. As Kim says, "Plans with Ron." Are they starting a new tradition for themselves? I can see the future Stoppable family enjoying extreme rocket sledding for cheap thrills. Another break from the tradition is that Ron is losing the goofy sidekick routine. He's becoming the capable sidekick. Notice that he's in control of the sled. He even lands it on the weather machine. Think back on Crush. He was having trouble getting his snowboard to start. And he was afraid. Now he's cheering with glee. And he suggests a quest for Dead Man's Hill. Not even Kim is willing to brave that. So if not interrupted by mutant snowmen caused by tainted water from Camp Wannaweep, Kim and Ron would have enjoyed a day of snow and sledding. Who knows? Maybe they would have ended up in front of warm fireplace with hot cocoa and fuzzy blankets. It's a romantic setting. And one that can be done in front of the family. (minus making out) BTW, I'm not suggesting anything sexual here. Fireplace, cocoa, and fuzzy blankets is my own family's snowday traditon. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 746 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #439 on Jul 21, 2005, 10:45am » Oooh, didn't notice Mom doing the pout! Well, that's life. The kids grow up. Hmm. Sleds are a lot easier than snowboards, but you're right, Ron is getting better at snow. Maybe Kim ruled the sled when they were little. And looking ahead to Exchange, when Ron snowboards the lotus blade in snowboard-like fashion. Kim and Ron have a ways to go before they're ready for making out! Delightfully vague old term, that, can cover anything from lengthy kissing to world class, um, you know.... ————————————————
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 22:59:29 GMT -5
JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 322 Location: New Jersey « Reply #440 on Jul 21, 2005, 11:43am » "Day of the Snowmen" - I considered this a nice fun short-piece. Kim is quite an athlete. True, she didn't went for sports in school, but given how she managed pretty fast from her bed, to the closet, to the bathroom, to the kitchen, to the front door, I have to say she could go for the track team. ;D As for the K/R shippy moments, one should check out the scene when Ron first appeared on his sled. He slids into the Possible's front yard or driveway and he gives that talk to Kim about joining him for the 'quest for the ultimate ride'. Notice her facial expression as she places her hands on his shoulders as she sat down behind him. Both their faces for a shot or two seem quite shippy there. How about that shot when they finished their first ride on Dead Man's Hill. Kim was giving a smug expression while Ron smiled and said, "That was a satisfied run." (or something close to it). I also enjoyed the glare Kim gave Ron when he confessed about getting the diablo sauce. "I got these before the man got wise." Gee, he sure is smug here. After this, the snowmen came alive and started their rampage. They pretty much went into mission mode and I don't see any shippy moments after this. Kim was fighting the snowmen while Ron was panicking and only occasionally smashed snowmen with his sled. "Back you evil zombie snowmen!" So Kim saves the day again, with some help from her family. Okay, maybe there is one shippy moment, after the snowmen attacked. It's a shot that goes by pretty fast. The shot of Kim and Ron *blasting* out of the garage on the rocket sled. Slow-mode that shot and you will see both Kim and Ron smiling. Kind of odd for them to be smiling in a serious situation. Maybe they're enjoying the moment. Off-topic of K/R but on-topic regarding the episode, this is the only episode I know referring to the 'Tri-City area'. I always thought Middleton was the only city, yet if Middleton was one city of three, which are the other two? I guessed Upperton (mentioned only in "ASiT") and Lowerton (totally fanbase made-up, unless someone tells me which episode it was mentioned). I found it pretty interesting enough to make the Tri-City area part of my fanfic series. « Last Edit: Jul 21, 2005, 11:43am by JuPMod » ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #441 on Jul 21, 2005, 12:27pm » Ron mentions trick or treating in Middleton, Upperton, and Lowerton in October 31st. There may be more episodes. Can't think of any at the moment. ———————————————— campy Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 76 « Reply #442 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:21pm » We even know what the Lowerton High School mascot is: a Lemur. Mentioned in The Full Monkey and The Fearless Ferret. ———————————————— Rhonda Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 490 Location: Littleton « Reply #443 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:24pm » Ok just saw it, and wow, those looks on their faces are shippy! ———————————————— Porphyria_Kris Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 579 Location: Alabama « Reply #444 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:32pm » Jul 21, 2005, 11:43am, JuPMod wrote: “and Lowerton (totally fanbase made-up, unless someone tells me which episode it was mentioned). I found it pretty interesting enough to make the Tri-City area part of my fanfic series. ” They went up against the Lowerton Lemurs in "The Full Monkey". ———————————————— |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 28, 2006 23:00:38 GMT -5
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« Reply #445 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:39pm »
Ok then...
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« Reply #446 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:54pm »
Lowerton AND Upperton is menchend in The Fearless Ferret. The TV says: "Hay Middelton, Upperton, and Lowerton fans..." Jim: "Hik-abik-aboo!" they mention ALL 3 citys.
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« Reply #447 on Jul 21, 2005, 1:58pm »
I noticed that.....why are we talking about the cities?
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« Reply #448 on Jul 21, 2005, 2:09pm »
Getting back on track, I'm noticing that shippy moments tend to occur as Kim and Ron are doing dangerous stuff together. Whether it be on a mission, or sledding down hazardous hills, this is when they are most comfortable around each other. This episode is a prime example of that. It's not intentional either. They say or do things that can be interpreted as shippy, even if they don't know it themselves.
Also in this episode, notice the picture of the Possible family tradition of buiding a snowman. Ron's not in that picture, and Kim looks like she'd rather be doing something else. Since Kim, Jim, and Tim do not look any older than in the picture, the last snowday occured only a short time ago. Kim and Ron, having missed the last snowday together, are making up for it.
Ron have been the one taking the picture. But the result is still the same. Building a snowman is fun. But sledding, snowboarding, skiing, and ice skating is even better. Especially when it with your best friend.
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« Reply #449 on Jul 21, 2005, 2:15pm »
J2 good points there, and when she blows off her parents, did you notice the smile on her face as she said "Can't. Plans with Ron."??
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Wow never thot of that episode that way either.....hmm i'll have to watch that.