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Post by JuPMod on May 30, 2005 19:50:44 GMT -5
This question came to my mind when I was responding to my own thread ("Who would propose first? Ron or Kim?). As we all know, Kim and Ron's feelings for each other evolved over time to become something more. Kim had shown signs she was interest in Ron, yet she didn't saw him as potential 'BF' material until after Ron told her of his feelings in "StD". Yet, I'm wondering whether Ron himself would have realized his feelings for Kim *without* Eric (and to an extent, Drakken's "StD" plot). In "StD", once Kim starting seeing Eric, Ron started to feel jealous and he realized his feelings for Kim was more than 'best friends'. My two cents on this topic is this: Without Eric, I think Ron would have taken even longer to realized his feelings for Kim. Kim might have taken Ron to the prom, but they would still think of each other as 'best friends'. The way I see it, something have to push one of them or both of them to finally admit that they love each other. It had taken Eric and Drakken's plot to push Ron to admit to Kim and she to realized her feelings for Ron. What do you think?
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Post by Forlong on May 30, 2005 20:03:19 GMT -5
Well, I think Kim was trying to get Ron to ask her out throughout the movie. Ron would have deffinately reacted to seeing Kim in her prom dress just before thay'd go on their "totally not a date". Heck, Erik reacted to it, and he didn't really care about Kim.
Remember, without Erik, the talk in the tree house would have gone on longer. Perhaps all night if their parents would let them. Someone suggested that Ron was goign to say that if they grew up, he'd lose her. That would have greatly improved Kim's oppinion of Ron.
I think Ron would have realized that his best friend was in a funk, and snap her out of it by sweeping her off her feet. She'd see him in a new light, and kiss him.
So I'd say, yes, Erik was just there to turn up the drama.
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Post by Ron Stoppable on May 30, 2005 21:34:56 GMT -5
Would it of happened... eventually?
Same time? I dun think so dude... I mean, me and KP... hooked up... it seemed like, I dunno... wrong. Until evetually it didn't anymore. And I bet the wrongess woulda gone away eventually... but the whole Erik deal was like a wrongness vacuum or something that just kinda blew it all away. Or would tha be a fan... or a leaf blower. We just got a new leaf blower. But the point is I tihnk it woulda happened. ITs not like we hadn't thought bout it before... just, not at the same time.
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Post by Buguba on May 30, 2005 21:45:50 GMT -5
If it took Eric going out with Kim for Ron to realize his true feelings, why didn't the same thing happen with Josh? Or did it happen, just Ron didn't realize what it was?
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Post by j on May 31, 2005 10:07:52 GMT -5
With Josh, Ron was willing to stand back and watch Kim date somebody else. It also gave him time to hit on other women. Kim would do the same for Ron with Zita.
Forlong is right. If Kim and Ron had gotten the chance to talk in the treehouse for an extended amount of time, Ron probably would have gained the courage to tell her how he really felt. What she really wanted was for Ron to step up and ask her out. He didn't get to. So Kim went with guy who was confident enough to ask her.
Later when captured, Kim says, "You think there's a guy out there for me?" Ron now knows he better step and say something, despite how awkweird it was for him. Otherwise, he would be doomed to watching Kim go through short-term and/or bad relationships. And that would have been hard considering he really wanted her part of his life.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 31, 2005 10:46:50 GMT -5
Um, about the tree house talk... I think that takes us right back to the original post in this here thread...
Without Erik, would there have been a tree house talk?
But yes, I think it would have happened... eventually. Forlong brought up an excellent point, with Kim trying to get Ron to ask her. Yes, she was whining about the food chain and everything, but Ron is her bestest bud and hey, he would have been better than the chess captain. As much as she stressed about it, I don't think Kim would have minded going to Prom with Ron all that much, even if it were just as friends. And Proms can really throw out that romantic vibe (I was all over one of my best guy friends at mine, and he wasn't even my date!).
So, yes, in that other world where there was no Erik and Kim and Ron went as friends, there is a slight possibility that something might have happened. Started a chain reaction, if you will.
I've also seen a lot of friendships develop to romance over time--without big dramatic pushes.
And, as we have seen from "Emotion Sickness", Ron has indeed "thought about it".
And yet... I really do think Erik was the big catalyst in this situation. Without him, yeah, maybe they would have eventually recognized their feelings. But at the same time it wasn't guarenteed. Ron and Kim were good as they were. Nothing wrong with just being friends.
As for Josh, he wasn't nearly as pushy as Erik was. I'm sure Josh liked Kim, and I was half-expecting more of a romance between the two. Ron didn't care much for Josh, but Josh wasn't nearly the threat Erik was. Josh went to a dance with Kim (where she asked), and he asked her out on one measly date.
Erik, on the other hand, rushes in, immediately hits on Kim, and pretty much shoves Ron out of the way. Steals his seat and everything.
Ron felt threatened. It was much more evident than with Josh that he could lose Kim to this guy.
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Post by cloudmonet on May 31, 2005 11:39:51 GMT -5
You know, it's hard to do this particular thought experiment. More or less the same thing happened in "Gorilla Fist," but afterwards, Kim and Ron were still in denial about their feelings for each other. Why did it work this time? Seems like Kim's despair about Erik's betrayal and Drakken's plot had something to do with it, but even before that, Ron resolved to tell her his feelings, at least as soon as he could without causing a "total flame out." What was happening between Ron and Yori didn't go far enough to give Kim this kind of resolve.
I agree with Ron, they would have gotten together eventually, unless someone else (not evil) got in the way.
Funny thing is, for all Ron's insecurities, in season two he has more luck with other girls than Kim does with other boys (Josh Mankey excepted.)
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Post by molonuk on May 31, 2005 12:44:16 GMT -5
It didn't have to be Erik, it could have been any guy really. But it being Erik, and Drakken's plot and all, just helped it along.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 31, 2005 12:47:22 GMT -5
What was happening between Ron and Yori didn't go far enough to give Kim this kind of resolve. Very true. Yet I think Kim was mostly in denial during "Gorilla Fist". Here she had Monique and Wade tormenting her about Yori--so she automatically forces herself to assume the least. Yet it was still so entertaining to watch...
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Post by j on May 31, 2005 12:58:32 GMT -5
Just for theory, let's eliminate everything that happens in So The Drama. (Drakken, Bueno Nacho, Eric, and even the missions. Let's pretend Kim and Ron get to spend two weeks as average high school students before the prom.) What would have happened then?
I'm guessing that Kim would have done one of two things. One, she might have manipulated Ron to ask her like she did in Emotion Sickness. Or two, she would have sat Ron down with those famous words, "Ron, we need to talk." She would be forward and explain to him that they could date, and still be friends. Ron would take her to the prom, expecting the worse to happen. Instead, they still get cheered by the crowd, the two have a good time, romantic feelings intensify, and the two are officially a couple.
A third scenario is that Ron would ask Kim, as a friend, not as a date, to the prom. Kim would accept, totally flattered. She had already indicated she was not into the food chain deal. Again, the two would have had a good time, and left the prom a couple.
The cheering crowd is the final catalyst for their relationship. It reassures them that it was okay to be together. Everyone else thought it was okay for them to be a couple. Therefore, they must be doing something right.
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Post by molonuk on May 31, 2005 13:17:22 GMT -5
The cheering crowd defo gave them confidence but it they'd have ignored them or whatever, they really wouldn't care.
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Post by impossiblegirl on May 31, 2005 15:08:15 GMT -5
I'm thinking that even if Eric wasn't involved, Ron would have told Kim about his feelings eventually. If Eric hadn't interfered, the conversation in the treehouse would have gone on a lot longer and their feelings for each other would have finally come out. BUt then again, that's w/o Eric interference. I'm guessing that if the whole Drakken/Bueno Nacho/Evil Toys scenario hadn't happened, then their feelings may have come out anyway. But that's just my theory...
TTYL, Impossiblegirl
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Post by Wysteria Fox on Jun 5, 2005 22:39:38 GMT -5
Technically if you look at the shot, it looks like Ron is indicating a seat for Eric even if he doesn't realize it. This is when he says, "Why don't you pull up a seat Eric? Why not-" he's cut off so really, despite Eric's pushy-ness, he can't really be framed here.
(Can't find pic, get back to my claim later!)
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Post by Mart on Jun 6, 2005 8:20:19 GMT -5
I think that they would.
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Post by Zede05 on Jun 6, 2005 19:18:47 GMT -5
At some point, probably. I mean, if Eric didn't exist, there will be other guys that will make Ron all jeal eventually.
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Post by Artificial Moose on Jun 6, 2005 19:36:57 GMT -5
I suspect they would have. Judging by Ron's comment to Rufus, and by the speed of the "confession" scene, their relationship had been building towards it for a long time, but it seems that neither was really sure of what to do with it.
Erik simply forced the issue.
What I'm not sure of is how long it would take, or how badly they would hurt each other in the process.
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Post by Rumpleteazer on Jun 6, 2005 19:38:32 GMT -5
I think Ron already liked KP. Kim just needed to realize her feelings for Ron.
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Post by AgHorizonFilm on Jun 6, 2005 20:14:02 GMT -5
I think they both had to grow to undrstand their feelings for each other. Ron ahd to mature in behavior, and Kim had to learn to look beyond the food chain and good looks, and see that the man for her was always there and would be loyal to the end. So I think Eric definitely helped the process. I do think though that they wold have eventually figured it out, especially after Wade told Ron how KP acted in Gorilla Fist.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Jun 7, 2005 12:23:26 GMT -5
you're looking at BOTH characters maturing - a rather heavy thing to have happen in the same movie!
Ron has to mature enough to realise that if he doesn't speak up and take charge of his feelings and of the relationship that he's going to lose Kim to a guy who isn't going to hold back.
Kim has to mature enough to realise that "the food chain" may work for Bonnie, but not for her and that her best chance for happiness has always been there and not to take his friendship for granted.
was Eric a catalyst? I think definitely so - and Drakken's the one to thank for that. He intentionally created a "mate" for Kim that so closely resembled Ron's likes and dislikes that it had to start a whirlwind of random thoughts firing off in her mind. Here's the perfect guy - he's not intimidated by her skills, he eats nachos, he's the perfect gentleman and he rides a motorcycle. Hmm.
They both take a step away from childhood (although not too much, I hope!) and towards maturity and, of course, towards each other.
shippiness heaven.
*sighs*
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Post by molonuk on Jun 7, 2005 12:47:39 GMT -5
Hmm, I always thought that Erik was very like Ron but I never quite tagged on that maybe that's why Kim's attracted to him. Of course he's just modified so that he's not quite Ron of course, he's higher in the food chain and so not 'Ron' enough for Kim to actually love him.
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