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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 12, 2007 19:15:44 GMT -5
The tweebs are getting older, and perhaps wiser and they're probably starting to notice girls themselves and know that payback is a pregnant doggie. Then again, they just might have outgrown that Ooo, la la thing. Yeah, that makes sense to me.
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Post by lakme on Feb 12, 2007 21:23:58 GMT -5
The writers might be afraid that we'll get turned off if they make K/R too lovey-dovey. Then when they actually show full-on kisses, we'll squee ever the more. Writers have this innate ability to tease us and make us want more. As for people making the point that Kim kissed Ron on the cheek in the Christmas episode... every episode summary/person I talked to was like "OMG THEY KISSED!!!!!!!1" so I wouldn't say that it was not a very big deal.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 13, 2007 13:49:04 GMT -5
I would not get turned off by a 2 seconds kiss on the lips every episode.
I just read that quote again in Ill-Suited and if my speculation was in-correct in that the first scene was just a few days after the prom and it's really like the day before senior year i have a hard time believing the only time they kissed as a couple was at the junior prom and now it's the start of sr year. So take this quote the "It wont happen again if you keep waking me up in the middle of the night". The way she said it i dont think she meant they had only kissed once. They could have kissed 50,000,000 times and you would still say it that way. It wont happen again does not mean it had only happened once. It means well however many times it happened before it wont happen again.
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 13, 2007 16:52:58 GMT -5
Ah, our first real item of controversy: When did the nightmare/phone call happen? One of the great unprovables, and it does have some effect on how we interpret the relationship. But Bob and Mark have said, "We'll sacrifice continuity, logic, and reality for the sake of a good gag. We're comedy guys," so a bit of caution is required.
1. What's funnier? Ron having a nightmare like this immediately after the prom, or months later at the start of Senior year? Months later, of course. And that may clinch it! but also consider....
2. Kim's reaction to the call, as if she's been getting calls like this for a whlle, and is quite tired of them. A few days after the prom? Probably not. Sometime during the summer? Possibly. But it's entirely possible that Ron's insecurities re-emerged as the new couple went from an idyllic summer back to the social pressures of school.
3. Kim knew that Ron would obsess over Bonnie's remarks. I bet he wasn't feeling nearly so insecure over the summer when it was pretty much just the two of them. So what would make her think he was insecure now? The nightmare, and others like it, maybe.
4. The episode ends with another late night call about more dreams, related to football tryout, and, er, jumping the shark. This could work either way. Either Ron's having more nightmares lately, or he has them a few days after the event.
I think the balance of suggestion is in slightly in favor of the dream being contemporary with the rest of the episode, but only slightly. And now that I'm reconsidering this again, I think it's the onset of school, and Bonnie, that's bringing on the anxiety attacks. It's probably significant that Ron is not particularly insecure in the other three new episodes.
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As for the Tweebs, the more I think about it, the more I think they just thought Ron was funny and cool when they were younger. They systematically persecuted any other guy who dared get close to Kim, possibly because they liked Ron and wanted him to be around, and realized if Kim got a different boyfriend, Ron would be pretty much gone. They never bothered Ron, and now that he's the boyfriend, they're actively helping him (at least in a deleted scene). Not exactly shipping for the sake of shipping, but the effect is the same.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 13, 2007 17:22:49 GMT -5
Ah, our first real item of controversy: When did the nightmare/phone call happen? One of the great unprovables, and it does have some effect on how we interpret the relationship. But Bob and Mark have said, "We'll sacrifice continuity, logic, and reality for the sake of a good gag. We're comedy guys," so a bit of caution is required. 1. What's funnier? Ron having a nightmare like this immediately after the prom, or months later at the start of Senior year? Months later, of course. And that may clinch it! but also consider.... 2. Kim's reaction to the call, as if she's been getting calls like this for a whlle, and is quite tired of them. A few days after the prom? Probably not. Sometime during the summer? Possibly. But it's entirely possible that Ron's insecurities re-emerged as the new couple went from an idyllic summer back to the social pressures of school. 3. Kim knew that Ron would obsess over Bonnie's remarks. I bet he wasn't feeling nearly so insecure over the summer when it was pretty much just the two of them. So what would make her think he was insecure now? The nightmare, and others like it, maybe. 4. The episode ends with another late night call about more dreams, related to football tryout, and, er, jumping the shark. This could work either way. Either Ron's having more nightmares lately, or he has them a few days after the event. I think the balance of suggestion is in slightly in favor of the dream being contemporary with the rest of the episode, but only slightly. And now that I'm reconsidering this again, I think it's the onset of school, and Bonnie, that's bringing on the anxiety attacks. It's probably significant that Ron is not particularly insecure in the other three new episodes. —————————— As for the Tweebs, the more I think about it, the more I think they just thought Ron was funny and cool when they were younger. They systematically persecuted any other guy who dared get close to Kim, possibly because they liked Ron and wanted him to be around, and realized if Kim got a different boyfriend, Ron would be pretty much gone. They never bothered Ron, and now that he's the boyfriend, they're actively helping him (at least in a deleted scene). Not exactly shipping for the sake of shipping, but the effect is the same. Yep, if this is the case i believe my explanation for the "it wont be happening again" line is the case. It does not mean it only happend that one time, it means however many times it happened does not matter it wont happen again. I just have a Hard time Believeing if they have been a couple since JR prom and it's a few days before the first day of school that they would go the whole summer as a couple and not kiss once since the prom. Im not saying they made out 24/7 a day but they probably at least kissed once when they said goodbye after going on a date or hanging out.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 7:30:36 GMT -5
Ah, our first real item of controversy: When did the nightmare/phone call happen? One of the great unprovables, and it does have some effect on how we interpret the relationship. But Bob and Mark have said, "We'll sacrifice continuity, logic, and reality for the sake of a good gag. We're comedy guys," so a bit of caution is required. 1. What's funnier? Ron having a nightmare like this immediately after the prom, or months later at the start of Senior year? Months later, of course. And that may clinch it! but also consider.... 2. Kim's reaction to the call, as if she's been getting calls like this for a whlle, and is quite tired of them. A few days after the prom? Probably not. Sometime during the summer? Possibly. But it's entirely possible that Ron's insecurities re-emerged as the new couple went from an idyllic summer back to the social pressures of school. 3. Kim knew that Ron would obsess over Bonnie's remarks. I bet he wasn't feeling nearly so insecure over the summer when it was pretty much just the two of them. So what would make her think he was insecure now? The nightmare, and others like it, maybe. 4. The episode ends with another late night call about more dreams, related to football tryout, and, er, jumping the shark. This could work either way. Either Ron's having more nightmares lately, or he has them a few days after the event. I think the balance of suggestion is in slightly in favor of the dream being contemporary with the rest of the episode, but only slightly. And now that I'm reconsidering this again, I think it's the onset of school, and Bonnie, that's bringing on the anxiety attacks. It's probably significant that Ron is not particularly insecure in the other three new episodes. —————————— As for the Tweebs, the more I think about it, the more I think they just thought Ron was funny and cool when they were younger. They systematically persecuted any other guy who dared get close to Kim, possibly because they liked Ron and wanted him to be around, and realized if Kim got a different boyfriend, Ron would be pretty much gone. They never bothered Ron, and now that he's the boyfriend, they're actively helping him (at least in a deleted scene). Not exactly shipping for the sake of shipping, but the effect is the same. Wow. Cloud, I have to concur there. It basically mirrors what I think. So... anyways... But, I do have something to add. For those of us that are watching the show and wondering, "I wonder if Kim and Ron are doing it?" such as myself. If they had not been doing it prior to this episode, I think it would be very likely that they would be doing it now. I know this is more of off-screen thing and we probably won't see any hints or stuff, but, still, I'm gonna address it, because well, come on, their teenagers, they're a couple, they love each other, and all that other stuff. I'd have to see more of the episode between this one and The Cupid Effect to do good pondering, but... yeah.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 14, 2007 9:57:16 GMT -5
Well last i checked 47% of teens and high schoolers are doing it!
Let's see clouds take on that...
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 11:22:25 GMT -5
I didn't do it in high school, and I'm still not, as I don't have anybody I want to be with. Too bad. But, I knew a lot of people who did it. I'm not favorable towards underaged sex, but if you're with the one you love, I see it as okay. And as Kim and Ron so obviously love each other (I can't see them feeling anything for each other less than love.) But, I personally see them as waiting a little while before they do anything.
If S T D took place in April or May and Ill-Suited is in September, then that would about fit. I personally feel that at the very latest, they'll be already together in that way by The Cupid Effect. Plus, if I was Kim, I would have been so turned on by the fact that Ron was kicking her booty in that final fight in Ill-Suited. I wrote a fic back in March of 2006 called "Passionate Sparring" in which the two of them, whilst sparring, Ron beats her and then it leads to the reason the fic is named thus. That one took place in the summer, but it was one of my one-shots. But, in my "Kim Possible and Karen" series, which is a crossover with Will & Grace and takes place 7 years after So The Drama, there is a reference to it, but Kim tells it differently.
Anyways, yeah, I would like to hear Cloudie's thoughts on this.
GAWD, I wrote a lot. I'm gonna keep that up.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 14, 2007 12:58:33 GMT -5
either have i, i had a few oppourtunities but i declined because i know she got around from conversations we had in the pass. Im not for waiting till marriage if it happens it happens. It's hard to imagine what they do off screen because we dont see them 24/7 everyday and what they do. We don't see when they see each other for the first time in a day, We dont see them when they say goodbye and goodnight to each other the last time they see them in a day. They have to be at least kissing you would think.
It does not make since that they only kissed at the prom and went 5 months before kissing again when they were a couple those whole 5 months. Thats why im sticking with my two theories that either (1) The late-night phone call was the night of the dance or (2) When Kim said it wont happen again she was not saying they had only kissed once and i took it as her just saying that we wont kiss again and not that they had only kissed once if that makes sense.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 13:20:50 GMT -5
I'm all for what Cloudie had to say.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 14, 2007 14:07:54 GMT -5
I'm all for what Cloudie had to say. You mean this? so I think we can dismiss any idea that they might not be kissing regularly—. This is why i said if this is the case then when kim said "It wont happen again" it means that no matter how many times it had happened it wont happen again. I mean how else could kim have worded it to not make it sound like it only happened once if you want to say "It won't happen again". When you say that as a response to a phone call no matter what it's gonna come off as it only happened that one time. I mean if it was close to the school year and that kiss was from prom then that would be 5 months without kissing when you have been going out all that time,
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 14:24:27 GMT -5
*sighs*
Look, the point is they are kissing and stuff.
Nobody goes 5 months without kissing, if they are a couple. Seriously.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 14, 2007 14:26:00 GMT -5
*sighs* Look, the point is they are kissing and stuff. Nobody goes 5 months without kissing, if they are a couple. Seriously. Exactly, which is the point im trying to make.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 14:37:29 GMT -5
Why couldn't you have just said that?
I'm kinda wondering what Freud would think about Ron's dreams. For example, one of Ron's dreams according to the Tag at the end was Kim leaving him for Rufus. I was on the way home sitting in my mum's car thinking about that one, and I think Freud would think that it's that Ron is thinking that Kim is gonna leave him for a bigger pe.nis. Or something like that.
Freud was way into sexual stuff like that.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 14, 2007 16:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah i know about freud. I had a psychology class in high school and i am really intrigued with him. Yes he had very sexual tendencies in his stuff.
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Post by lakme on Feb 14, 2007 19:04:24 GMT -5
I'm a psych student, and let me tell you that aside from his work in the psychoanalytical and psychiatric fields, Freud's views aren't taken very seriously. Mainly because they can't be tested scientifically.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 14, 2007 19:08:57 GMT -5
Well, yes, yes. I'm a psych major as well.
His approach is one of those... crazy things. But, that's why I like it. Because it's so crazy off the wall.
I'm more suited for the Humanistic school of psychology.
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 15, 2007 4:27:50 GMT -5
How far are they really going with each other as of "Ill suited"? Well, what've I got? Here's a totally smitten Ron responding to Kimmish affection. And here's Ron reviving a clobbered Kim. He removed his hands from her bare tummy pretty quickly as soon as she regained consciousness. This suggests maybe his hands don't get to be in places like that real often— But then she was pretty mad at him just a few moments earlier. So okay, starting with the finger pointing one— just looking at the picture, I see a bit of perplexity and shock, along with the anger. So I think our impressions of Kim being turned on as well as angry about Ron in her closet would be coming mostly from Christie's voice acting— but wait— I know what's doing it. It's the way she's circling him like a cat about to pounce! And what's she gonna do when she pounces on him? Yeah, that's what makes her seem turned on! Ron's smitten look in the first picture suggests either 1) He's still in the OMG this is really happening state of bliss where every touch is a big deal, which suggests R-rated snuggles are still in the future, or 2) He's so totally in love he melts at her touch, which suggests R-rated snuggles might be already happening. Inconclusive. They are pretty comfortable and casual with the touching we see, and yeah, there is more of this than there used to be. With the information we have, I can't tell for sure what their max intimacy level is at this point. One of the dreams he mention in the closing credits is Kim leaving him for Rufus? (Remember my Ill Suited ending is announced over) That could be as hot as Ashley suggests.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 15, 2007 7:22:23 GMT -5
I re-recorded my Ill-Suited because of that annoucer guy on Tuesday. It's now perfection. Now I have re-record all the other episodes on that tape (Big Job and Trading Faces). I'm thinking there's a Freud idea to that. Maybe Ron is afraid that if he doesn't satisfy Kim in an R-Rated way, Kim is gonna leave him? I just know what my hormones, my KP fanaticism, my psych majorness, insight, love for the K/R relationship, and stuff tell me. But, I don't think Ron would be having nightmares of 'Kim is a synthodrone' if they were already doing it, because obviously, he is afraid or unsure of their relationship, as shown by the entire bloody episode of Ill-Suited. I honestly think that if they hadn't started doing anything by Ill-Suited, they have by the time the episode ended or within the few days after the episode. I'll have to see Car Alarm, and then make final judgment. Hopefully in between the events of Ill-Suited and Car Alarm, Kim will affirm that Ron is the only guy for her. But, Gawd, Freud would be in heaven if he got to psychoanalyze Ron.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 15, 2007 8:50:45 GMT -5
I mean I don't believe they wold be having sex in the first 5 months of the relationship according to the way they are acting but I do believe they have been kissing (making out) and cuddling are happening. You just don't go 5 months and only kiss once if you are a couple those 5 months. That would make no sense so my conclusion is no sex but there has been kissing and cuddling regulary.
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