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Post by taechunsa on Dec 13, 2005 18:38:35 GMT -5
There is a prevelant idea that Kim has a 4.0 or at least valadictorian level grades.
However, I do not recall ever hearing exactly what her grades are. What episodes contain references to Kim's grades or school work?
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Post by kimmyfan48 on Dec 13, 2005 18:44:28 GMT -5
I know "Naked Genius" was one...
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Post by Laur Stoppable on Dec 13, 2005 19:33:47 GMT -5
In the Kim Possible Files book she got As and a few Bs. One B was in math.
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Post by PossibleKim on Dec 13, 2005 22:24:33 GMT -5
In naked genius she got A-
Ron said that she is a straight A student in Blush
In driver's education she got B-
Others, I have no idea
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Post by Blink on Dec 14, 2005 2:18:09 GMT -5
Kim seems like the model valedictorian. But everyone makes mistakes, thats why the erasers on pencils have gotten bigger over the years. It's impossible to go through life and get As on every little thing you do, it's just not human. If you want lots of good friends... you have to slack off with them. Thats why Kim doesn't have many friends, just Ron and Monique I guess. Sure, Kim is known by many... but they're not her friends. I'm sure there are a lot of references in the episodes on how well Kim does in school. But school isn't the only thing that matters... its the extracurricular activities you do outside of school work... and the stuff that you do in your spare time. ... Well, Kim's got the hang of that stuff too. She does the impossible, and doesn't get paid... dang, must suck being her. Maybe when she gets to college, she'll earn a scholarship and get a free ride... I guess I would consider that to be worth something for all the hard work that she does.
Now lets talk about Ron's grades. Does anybody else think he should be held back a couple of years? *raises hand* It sure would be devastating for him if Kim kept advancing through school while he was stuck in Remedial Algebra.
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Post by Raptor™ on Dec 14, 2005 7:19:21 GMT -5
I was wondering how he could be a senior if he keeps failing algebra......
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Post by JuPMod on Dec 14, 2005 7:42:53 GMT -5
This is the one thing I think is overrated. I don't think Kim ever had straight A's. She did have that B in Driver's Ed, and she did have trouble in Home Ed ("Two For Tutor"), so I think she did received a few B's in classes. Come to think about it, would receiving a few B's put her off the honor-roll?
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Post by aliciamartin on Dec 14, 2005 9:52:46 GMT -5
i bet ya she got all As because she is a great student at everything she does
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Post by iluvredheads07 on Dec 14, 2005 11:27:32 GMT -5
She probaly gets A's anf B's. She'll probaly high in her class due to a weighted GPA.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 14, 2005 12:05:01 GMT -5
In the Kim Possible Files book she got As and a few Bs. One B was in math. I am not dismissing this out of hand, but I am also a bit wary of accepting ancillary sources as part of canon while the show is still in production. Show creators and companies are notorious for releasing additional materials and then invalidating their contents in later episodes. However, this is about what I was thinking her grades would be. In naked genius she got A- Ron said that she is a straight A student in Blush In driver's education she got B- Others, I have no idea Naked genius was a grade on a single test. This does give us some indication of how well her grades might be in the class, but not a definitive answer to her class grade. While Ron’s statement at first glance would seem to indicate that she does in fact have straight A’s I am again a little hesitant to simply accept a common colloquialism as definitive proof. It does however, point to her having at least a vast majority of A’s or the colloquialism would not apply. If her driver’s education course was set up like mine then there is a chance that she could have still pulled an A, but it would be a very slim chance. Our grade was a combination of the driving test grade and the written test grade. Kim seems like the model valedictorian. But everyone makes mistakes, thats why the erasers on pencils have gotten bigger over the years. It's impossible to go through life and get As on every little thing you do, it's just not human. If you want lots of good friends... you have to slack off with them. Thats why Kim doesn't have many friends, just Ron and Monique I guess. Sure, Kim is known by many... but they're not her friends. While I do agree that Kim does not have a lot of friends. She has been shown to do things with people other then Ron and Monique. In Oh Boyz she is running with a couple of the cheerleaders and Monique. One line that I found very significant was the line in Steal Wheels when Monique is running through the list of people that Kim can call to do things with she list Hope. Now lets talk about Ron's grades. Does anybody else think he should be held back a couple of years? *raises hand* It sure would be devastating for him if Kim kept advancing through school while he was stuck in Remedial Algebra. Despite how poorly we see Ron doing in his math classes he constantly moves up and on with Kim. Also, no matter how bad he seems to do on his test he must have some ability since Kim is willing to ask him about the answer to their Geometry problem in StD. Also, remember that it was Ron who talked Kim into taking Latin in A Sitch in Time not the other way around. One area that I find interest with Kim and Ron’s scholastic abilities is in regards to their math class placement. The top echelon of college bound students, in the average high school, take Algebra I as 8th graders, Algebra II and Geometry as freshman and sophomores (some schools place Geometry between Algebra I and II some place it after Algebra II), Trigonometry or Pre-Calculus or Analytical Math (different names for basically the same course) during the junior year, and Calculus or College Algebra (depending on desired major and access to college classes) during the senior year. Since Kim and Ron are clearly shown as taking Geometry in So the Drama this places them down one level. Thus they should be in Trig, or the equivalent, their senior year. Of course, this isn’t a major thing. It just points to the fact that Kim is not as talented in mathematics as she is in other areas. (Hey, no one is spectacular at everything, and I kind of like the fact that Kim might not be above average in math.) Ron’s intellectual abilities are often the butt of the creator’s humor, but there is ample evidence that Ron is very intelligent. Now, don’t confuse intelligence with knowledge. I think that it has been very well shown that Kim far outpaces Ron in knowledge. Years of slacking off will place one below average in knowledge. However, Ron’s natural intelligence is most likely very high and it shows when he becomes motivated enough to apply it. Look at Bad Boy, Naked Genius, and Past as good examples of Ron’s innate intelligence shining through. There is also the very real possibility that Ron suffers from test anxiety. He might simply do poorly on test, despite his understanding and grasp of the material. I was wondering how he could be a senior if he keeps failing algebra...... He couldn’t have failed Algebra since in So the Drama he is in Geometry. Remember all that we see are a few tests. Other criteria affect the final grade. This is the one thing I think is overrated. I don't think Kim ever had straight A's. She did have that B in Driver's Ed, and she did have trouble in Home Ed ("Two For Tutor"), so I think she did received a few B's in classes. I have to agree with this. For those of you who have seen And the Molerat will be CGI she also did not get a book report done because of a mission. This is the first time that she is actually shown not completing work due to her world saving, but I have a hard time believing that it was the first. Come to think about it, would receiving a few B's put her off the honor-roll? Not for any school that I have ever known of. Most Honor Rolls are A/B honor rolls or above a certain GPA. i bet ya she got all As because she is a great student at everything she does Even cooking? She might have finally managed to use a blender without having it drag her out of the room, but I wouldn’t say that she was great at it after that.
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Post by idontluvron on Dec 14, 2005 12:12:35 GMT -5
Algebra is so easy, I understood it when I was 11. I remember (there's a video of me doing algebra, my brother was bbored so he asked me to do his homework and see if i could work it out and he taped me doing it)
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 14, 2005 12:31:23 GMT -5
Algebra is so easy, I understood it when I was 11. I remember (there's a video of me doing algebra, my brother was bbored so he asked me to do his homework and see if i could work it out and he taped me doing it) The truth is that elementary students do basic algebra all of the time in their math classes. They just don't call it Algebra, the word tends to freak people out. Just out of curiosity, which math class are you in now and what were you doing in Algebra?
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Post by cloudmonet on Dec 14, 2005 14:23:43 GMT -5
In "Partners" Monique is said by Ron to "maintain Kim-level gradage." Seriously, with people like Justine Flanner around, I don't think Kim is valedictorian material. She is shown working pretty hard for whatever grade quality she does achieve. I imagine her grade point average is usually in the 3.0 - 3.5 range, honor roll material, and good enough to get some kind of "cum laude" on a college diploma (if this were college), but straight A's? Don't think so.
As for Ron, his lack of understanding of math is the stuff of legends, but he's probably good enough at it to pull of at least a D. Give him some Bs and As in other subjects, and he's still college material.
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Post by idontluvron on Dec 15, 2005 1:16:32 GMT -5
now I'm in 8th grade We only started algebra in school in 7th I still find it easy though
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Post by surforst on Dec 15, 2005 2:05:07 GMT -5
Algebra is so easy, I understood it when I was 11. I remember (there's a video of me doing algebra, my brother was bbored so he asked me to do his homework and see if i could work it out and he taped me doing it) It only gets harder my friend. Wait till Calc. ;D Anyway I've always figured the girl for a 3.5+ average. An occasional B but mostly straight A. Got to remember Kim a perfectionist and I seriously doubt that she would be very happy with anything less then an A. As for Ron and all the math jokes they actually get on my nerves. If we look at just one of his machines he built we can see a very complicated understanding of multiple fields. 1. Mathematics - He'd have to be able to figure out the affect of forces, area, and a heck of a lot of other stuff. I imagine Calculus would come into play here but I'm lead to believe that in series he can't even understand Algebra. 2. Physics - Weather control involves a lot of forces. I can't even begin to truly figure out how one small machine will be able to control weather around the world. The equations he used here have got to be insane. This isn't class room physics this is rocket science level. 3. Electrical engineering - He built it after all. A lot of complicate circuitry here and I didn't notice anyone helping him out here. 4. Programming - Don't know what language he used but he'd have to use something to get the machine to precisely control weather. It would have to be able to deal with changes in heat, moisture, energy, and air patterns in order to get the exact weather he wants. That's not easy to program to say the least and then to do it in such a way that the machine is able to respond quickly is another add on hurdle. All this says to me that the boy is smarter and knows more then he lets on. Just something I had to point out.
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Post by aridblue on Dec 15, 2005 5:33:24 GMT -5
Actually, for some reason, Ron is actually smarter when he is evil. He just isn't as smart when he is good. Take Naked Genius for example. He couldn't even build a doomsday machine to save his life. But then again, who knew the buffoon was a natural? The thing he built wasn't a doomsday device but it did save him and Kim from those pesky suits of armour, even with his limited knowledge. I'm thinking its a Ron factor thing.
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Post by JuPMod on Dec 15, 2005 7:55:43 GMT -5
Anyway I've always figured the girl for a 3.5+ average. An occasional B but mostly straight A. Got to remember Kim a perfectionist and I seriously doubt that she would be very happy with anything less then an A. I don't think she's *that* hard a perfectionist. She was content and happy with the B she gotten in Driver's Ed ("Car Trouble"). She'd cheated when SADI helped her passed the first time with an A, and she wasn't happy she didn't used her own skills. The second time around, she was happy, given it was her herself that really drove the vehicle.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 15, 2005 11:06:31 GMT -5
now I'm in 8th grade We only started algebra in school in 7th I still find it easy though That is good. Pay very close attention to the algebra because if you go on in any math or science it will be there. Always! It only gets harder my friend. Wait till Calc. ;D Which, oddly enough, most students have trouble with due to the algebra necessary not the actual calculus. Anyway I've always figured the girl for a 3.5+ average. An occasional B but mostly straight A. Yeah, about where I sit as well with regards to Kim's grades. Good but not perfect. As for Ron and all the math jokes they actually get on my nerves. If we look at just one of his machines he built we can see a very complicated understanding of multiple fields. Take a look at the papers in Bad Boy when he is designing the potato thrower. Definitely physics, which is mostly just applied mathematics. On a side note. Rocket science isn’t that big of a deal anymore. Don’t get me wrong, it is difficult, but there are fields of physics and engineering that far surpass it in difficulty. As one of my physics professors said, “If you want to clear a room of brilliant physics PhDs just mention magnetohydrodynamics and watch them run.” Even among us nerds there are nerds. ;D All this says to me that the boy is smarter and knows more then he lets on. Just something I had to point out. After watching Past for about the eight or twelfth time I have been toying with an idea. Perhaps sometime and for some reason Ron adopted the principle of low expectations. In pre-K he speaks with a knowledge and intellect far beyond his years, yet by the time of the show he is considered less then stellar in intelligence. I have literally seen kids with incredible potential and intelligence move listlessly through school and life because somewhere along the lines they realized that if no one expects much from them then they won’t disappoint them. In other words, “it is not failure if everyone expects me to fail”. I just have been tossing around this idea as it might apply to Ron. It would actually explain a lot about his character. Things and actions far removed from academics would also be explained by this. Food for thought.
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Post by surforst on Dec 15, 2005 19:01:53 GMT -5
After watching Past for about the eight or twelfth time I have been toying with an idea. Perhaps sometime and for some reason Ron adopted the principle of low expectations. In pre-K he speaks with a knowledge and intellect far beyond his years, yet by the time of the show he is considered less then stellar in intelligence. I have literally seen kids with incredible potential and intelligence move listlessly through school and life because somewhere along the lines they realized that if no one expects much from them then they won’t disappoint them. In other words, “it is not failure if everyone expects me to fail”. I just have been tossing around this idea as it might apply to Ron. It would actually explain a lot about his character. Things and actions far removed from academics would also be explained by this. Food for thought. Yeah I've been pondering this one too. I've actually debated a few things on why Ron slumped real quick. 1. With Kim around he didn't need to try or even worse he felt guilty that Kim couldn't keep up with him. Either way it's her fault! I'm thinking the K/R fans will crucify me for that one though. 2. This is one I'm going to introduce in one of my AU stories. Basically Ron is a natural slacker and without a dominant figure in his life providing a driving force he went the road of least resistance. Basically dumb as a rock. Well I'm thinking of writing it with his 'grandfather' making sure that boy works hard because I just can't see his father doing it. Bet you can't guess what story that is taechunsa. Anyway those are the two I've got personally though maybe he did have a traumatic experience. Got beaten up for sounding too smart or something. It's yet another thing for us fans to pointlessly guess at anyway.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 15, 2005 23:11:07 GMT -5
Yeah I've been pondering this one too. I've actually debated a few things on why Ron slumped real quick. Well, real quick might be a bit of an exaggeration. We see him at the age of four and then again at about 12 or 13. That is a lot of intermediate time. 1. With Kim around he didn't need to try or even worse he felt guilty that Kim couldn't keep up with him. Either way it's her fault! I'm thinking the K/R fans will crucify me for that one though. Can’t say as that I agree with this assessment. Kim has been shown many times to push Ron to excel. However, on with the punishment for even suggesting such a thing. Taechunsa: Crucifixion? Surforst: Yes. Taechunsa: Good. Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each. Or from a more well known Monty Python movie. Taechunsa: There are ways of telling whether Surforst is an anti K/R shipper. K/R Shipper 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us. Taechunsa: Tell me. What do you do with anti K/R shippers? All K/R Shippers: Burn them. Taechunsa: And what do you burn, apart from anti K/R shippers? K/R Shipper 1: More anti K/R shippers. K/R Shipper 2: Wood. Taechunsa: Good. Now, why do anti K/R shippers burn? K/R Shipper 3: ...because they're made of... wood? Taechunsa: Good. So how do you tell whether Surforst is made of wood? K/R Shipper 1: Build a bridge out of him. Taechunsa: But can you not also build bridges out of stone? K/R Shipper 1: Oh yeah. Taechunsa: Does wood sink in water? K/R Shipper 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw him into the pond! Taechunsa: No, no. What else floats in water? K/R Shipper 1: Bread. K/R Shipper 2: Apples. K/R Shipper 3: Very small rocks. K/R Shipper 1: Cider. K/R Shipper 2: Gravy. K/R Shipper 3: Cherries. K/R Shipper 1: Mud. K/R Shipper 2: Churches. K/R Shipper 3: Lead! Lead! 2. This is one I'm going to introduce in one of my AU stories. Basically Ron is a natural slacker and without a dominant figure in his life providing a driving force he went the road of least resistance. Basically dumb as a rock. Well I'm thinking of writing it with his 'grandfather' making sure that boy works hard because I just can't see his father doing it. Bet you can't guess what story that is taechunsa. Oh yeah, I have a really good idea of which one this is. Although, I have to say I can’t see Ron’s dad as much of a voyeur, but it would be funny.
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