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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 20:45:01 GMT -5
Mr. Dr. P certainly is a good husband despite being a former evil villain The man's in love after all. I'm thinking Mrs. Dr. P takes after her daughter in the sense that she saved the world from being taken over. Maybe it was just one time but by winning the heart of our favorite crazed villain father she effectively put him out of business. That and it makes a great story!
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 20:47:19 GMT -5
You haven't written a story about this, have you?
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 20:47:56 GMT -5
You haven't written a story about this, have you? I plan to. Why?
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 20:58:06 GMT -5
I have my own ideas, and I also plan to write a story in a "parallel" universe.
A very long story.....
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 21, 2005 21:19:04 GMT -5
You haven't written a story about this, have you? I plan to. Why? Because I think you should.
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Post by surforst on Dec 21, 2005 21:35:26 GMT -5
Because I think you should. I will. I have to finish up my Gundam story first and then I plan to move on to that. I already got the summary for it written. I plan to flesh it out from there. The thing is I've already got enough to work on as it is. I want to make some head way into the Mommy Ron story and the Tenchi fusion one first. So much to do. I'd be willing to co-author with someone but most of the major authors out there seem to be busy with their own stuff. Guess it's a story that'll just have to wait to be written.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 21, 2005 21:38:11 GMT -5
I don't mind being your co-author, in fact I would even enjoy doing that during these hodilays.
I could even ad any ideas I might have during the creation process.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 22, 2005 11:22:25 GMT -5
Regarding grades and genius. We need to take into account that genius in one area does not necessarily translate into genius in other areas. One theory that sort of codifies this is Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. I do realize that this is controversial, but it is also at some point valid. Gardner has defined, at this time, eight areas of intelligence. Verbal-linguistic: To do with words, spoken or written. Logical-mathematical: To do with numbers, with logic and abstractions. Visual-spatial: To do with vision and spatial judgement. Body-kinesthetic: To do with muscular coordination, movement and doing. Auditory-musical: To do with hearing. Interpersonal communication:To do with interaction with others. Intrapersonal communication:To do with oneself. Naturalist:To do with nature. (This one is new since I studied the theory nearly a decade ago.) Looking at this it is easy to see that the Tweebs and Mr. Dr. Possible have very high Logical-Mathematical intelligence, but it has been shown more then a few times that Mr. Dr. Possible has a lower interpersonal communication intelligence then Kim. The fact that the Tweebs are gifted at building things also points to a high visual-spatial intelligence, but little is known about the other intelligences. It will be interesting to see the fourth season when they attend high school since hopefully we will get to see them interact with someone other then family. To put this into perspective I would guess that Kim has a higher body-kinesthetic and interpersonal communication intelligence then either the Tweebs or her father. I also find it interesting to note that Ron has been shown to have a rather high intrapersonal communication intelligence and auditory-musical intelligence. This also could solve the dilemma caused by Bad Boy and Naked Genius. Ron could have a genius level intelligence in Visual-spatial and a low intelligence level in logical-mathematical. Thus he can naturally see how things should and could fit together to make them work, but he might struggle with the pure math behind how and why it works. We are using genius to imply that the people shown to be highly intelligent in the show are going to be naturally intelligent in all fields, but this is not the case. They might be extremely gifted in some areas and mediocre or below average in others. Just my ten cents (it was too long for two cents.) Surforst, let me know when you get started if you need someone to edit it. It sounds very interesting. Although, I hate to rain on your parade, but given what we have seen in Rewriting History and Showdown at the Crooked D Kim could have gotten some of her looks from the Possible side of the family. Mim and Joss resemble Kim and they are both Possibles. The real oddity is that Mrs. Dr. P looks so much like many of the other Possible woman. On the other hand there is the old saying that men look for women that remind them of their mother. Seems a bit too Freudian for me, but could be the case here. Don't let this ruin your story though. I think it has promise.
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Post by Forlong on Dec 22, 2005 13:28:32 GMT -5
Oh now my friend you misunderstand me here. She's Mrs. Dr. P daughter just not Mr. Dr. P. Reasons. 1. She looks completely different from the tweebs. The tweebs on the other hand resemble their father and mother. Kim just resembles her mother. Allow me to explain why this is wrong. You have 46 DNA strands, 23 from your dad, 23 from your mom. They tie together in pares into the famous double helix (23 pares). That's around 400 DNA combinations for one set of parents. Not to mention each strand is also unique. A kid looking like both of his/her parents is just as likely as not. My older brother looks nothing like my mom, but he's still her son. Possibles Kim looks like: Nana (same eye color), Joss (same head shape), & Miriam (same hair and head shape). So Kim may have gotten most of her looks from her mom, but similar looks are in the Possible family. 2. The tweebs and her father are all geniuses. Kim is far from it. Smart kid but not like her brothers or father. She won't go on to invent anything amazing and that's just a plain fact. Shows to me she didn't inherit the Possible genes. Well, Ron's dad is an actuary. They're good at math, Ron ain't. Does that mean he's not Mr. Stoppable's son? No. 3. Her father seems to like to reassure her of the fact that she is a Possible. A little too much if you ask me. I've never seen this. Are you talking about the "anything is possible for a Possible"? If so, the tweebs have said it (in The Twin Factor & Showdown at the Crooked D) just as many times as their dad (in A Sitch in Time & The Day of the Snowmen). It seems he says it to all his kids, not just Kim. Yet another thing, just because you look like someone, it doesn't mean you're related. My dad looks like his dad, and he's adopted!
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 22, 2005 14:55:28 GMT -5
Yet another thing, just because you look like someone, it doesn't mean you're related. My dad looks like his dad, and he's adopted! Yeah, just the other day a guy told me I looked like my dog's butt, we aren't related either. On the other hand I didn't even know they guy knew my dog. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 22, 2005 15:04:47 GMT -5
Regarding grades and genius. We need to take into account that genius in one area does not necessarily translate into genius in other areas. One theory that sort of codifies this is Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. I do realize that this is controversial, but it is also at some point valid. Gardner has defined, at this time, eight areas of intelligence. Verbal-linguistic: To do with words, spoken or written. Logical-mathematical: To do with numbers, with logic and abstractions. Visual-spatial: To do with vision and spatial judgement. Body-kinesthetic: To do with muscular coordination, movement and doing. Auditory-musical: To do with hearing. Interpersonal communication:To do with interaction with others. Intrapersonal communication:To do with oneself. Naturalist:To do with nature. (This one is new since I studied the theory nearly a decade ago.) Looking at this it is easy to see that the Tweebs and Mr. Dr. Possible have very high Logical-Mathematical intelligence, but it has been shown more then a few times that Mr. Dr. Possible has a lower interpersonal communication intelligence then Kim. The fact that the Tweebs are gifted at building things also points to a high visual-spatial intelligence, but little is known about the other intelligences. It will be interesting to see the fourth season when they attend high school since hopefully we will get to see them interact with someone other then family. To put this into perspective I would guess that Kim has a higher body-kinesthetic and interpersonal communication intelligence then either the Tweebs or her father. I also find it interesting to note that Ron has been shown to have a rather high intrapersonal communication intelligence and auditory-musical intelligence. This also could solve the dilemma caused by Bad Boy and Naked Genius. Ron could have a genius level intelligence in Visual-spatial and a low intelligence level in logical-mathematical. Thus he can naturally see how things should and could fit together to make them work, but he might struggle with the pure math behind how and why it works. We are using genius to imply that the people shown to be highly intelligent in the show are going to be naturally intelligent in all fields, but this is not the case. They might be extremely gifted in some areas and mediocre or below average in others. Just my ten cents (it was too long for two cents.) Surforst, let me know when you get started if you need someone to edit it. It sounds very interesting. Although, I hate to rain on your parade, but given what we have seen in Rewriting History and Showdown at the Crooked D Kim could have gotten some of her looks from the Possible side of the family. Mim and Joss resemble Kim and they are both Possibles. The real oddity is that Mrs. Dr. P looks so much like many of the other Possible woman. On the other hand there is the old saying that men look for women that remind them of their mother. Seems a bit too Freudian for me, but could be the case here. Don't let this ruin your story though. I think it has promise. You are forgeting about one thing, the logical-mathematical area is directly involved with the intrapersonal communication area, since in order to build such devices, although Ron has already the idea or how thing work, when I say this I mean he has a sort of a mental image of the system, but by understanding the system, he would act in his own mathematical way, or in order words he would use certain processes that may not make much sense to other but to him it does. Second Ron is in fact a mathematical genius since in the episode Bad Boy he is shown calculating the exact speed of the food catapult.( Now, he has an idea how it might work so he simply makes an mathematical adaptation according to his mental process). I am certain of this because if have been diagnosed the same characteristic.( Although I had suspected of it before).
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Post by Forlong on Dec 22, 2005 15:30:02 GMT -5
Ron does understand math, it just takes him longer than normal. Here's my proof: In Naked genius Ron mentions that he got three "F's" in a row on tests. Now for him to get the "C" average he says he holds in And the Mole-Rat Will Be CGI, he'd have to get at least a "B" average on the rest of his tests that semester. In Bonding Barkin says that he shouldn't pursue a math-intensive field, that doesn't mean he failed the test. Now that he's dating Kim, she can threaten to take away his kissing privileges if he doesn't study.
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Post by surforst on Dec 22, 2005 15:55:32 GMT -5
Regarding grades and genius. We need to take into account that genius in one area does not necessarily translate into genius in other areas. One theory that sort of codifies this is Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. I do realize that this is controversial, but it is also at some point valid. Gardner has defined, at this time, eight areas of intelligence. Verbal-linguistic: To do with words, spoken or written. Logical-mathematical: To do with numbers, with logic and abstractions. Visual-spatial: To do with vision and spatial judgement. Body-kinesthetic: To do with muscular coordination, movement and doing. Auditory-musical: To do with hearing. Interpersonal communication:To do with interaction with others. Intrapersonal communication:To do with oneself. Naturalist:To do with nature. (This one is new since I studied the theory nearly a decade ago.) Looking at this it is easy to see that the Tweebs and Mr. Dr. Possible have very high Logical-Mathematical intelligence, but it has been shown more then a few times that Mr. Dr. Possible has a lower interpersonal communication intelligence then Kim. The fact that the Tweebs are gifted at building things also points to a high visual-spatial intelligence, but little is known about the other intelligences. It will be interesting to see the fourth season when they attend high school since hopefully we will get to see them interact with someone other then family. To put this into perspective I would guess that Kim has a higher body-kinesthetic and interpersonal communication intelligence then either the Tweebs or her father. I also find it interesting to note that Ron has been shown to have a rather high intrapersonal communication intelligence and auditory-musical intelligence. This also could solve the dilemma caused by Bad Boy and Naked Genius. Ron could have a genius level intelligence in Visual-spatial and a low intelligence level in logical-mathematical. Thus he can naturally see how things should and could fit together to make them work, but he might struggle with the pure math behind how and why it works. We are using genius to imply that the people shown to be highly intelligent in the show are going to be naturally intelligent in all fields, but this is not the case. They might be extremely gifted in some areas and mediocre or below average in others. Just my ten cents (it was too long for two cents.) I have to diagree about Ron here. In order to build the device in question he would have to have a clear grasp of very high level mathmatics. He doesn't have to realize he does though. Understanding a concept and using it are two different things. For example a poet doesn't have to be able to teach a english course in order to write good poetry. Looking at it from this way I say it's clear the boy knows math but it's also clear with the failures on his test that he doesn't know he knows math. Kind of confusing but I chalk it up to the subconcious here. Now is it possible he just put the machines together with his understanding of spatial objects and such. No! Your focusing solely on the machine itself. He also has to be able to write the program the run the machine and figure out the equations to have the machine run correctly. This involves math and it involves lots of paper. As stated before he was also doing math when he was building his food launcher. Going from there we can figure he bascially did that for all his machines. If Drakken hadn't blown up the lair he would probably have found some very interesting scribbled down notes. So with all this I say Ron is strongly into the Logical realm of genius. As for the creative I vary. He's good at songs but seems to have problems with writing in general. Hard issue here. Surforst, let me know when you get started if you need someone to edit it. It sounds very interesting. Although, I hate to rain on your parade, but given what we have seen in Rewriting History and Showdown at the Crooked D Kim could have gotten some of her looks from the Possible side of the family. Mim and Joss resemble Kim and they are both Possibles. The real oddity is that Mrs. Dr. P looks so much like many of the other Possible woman. On the other hand there is the old saying that men look for women that remind them of their mother. Seems a bit too Freudian for me, but could be the case here. Don't let this ruin your story though. I think it has promise. Story may have promise but I need to outsource if it's ever going to get writen any time soon. That's life. As for the arguement against Kim being Mr. Dr. P is it possible she's his. I won't say no but I still have a strong feeling that she's not. She in no ways resembles her brothers except for slight areas which we can chalk up to Mrs. Dr. P. I also notice that she constantly repeats that mantra 'Anything Possible for a Possible' where she reaffirms herself as a Possible. As for the other Possible not enough resemblance in the cousin and Nana for me. Her great aunt on the other hand is either fake, I though she was, or it's just one of those things. Anyway I stick by my theory.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 22, 2005 16:28:28 GMT -5
Surforst is right and furthermore I am repeating myself:
Ron has an extremely high mathematical instinct and creative instinct (keep this in mind), which is very strongly associated with is cognitive capabilities, this is directly related to his subconscious reactions. Again I say, Ron understands things his way, these may not make sense to others but does to him. This concept is hard to explain but it is something like this:
First Ron has already a mental image of how the process works. This may have mathematical basis or/and a virtual image, depending on how he sees things at the first sight (this last thing is very important remember that!).
Second, whether if necessary, he adapts his subjective concepts to a complete mathematical basis. This process is made almost automatically, and made by something which may be almost called( although it is hard to define what it is exactly) as "his common sense".
And one more thing, Ron also has all common behavioral characteristics of a genius.
And Surforst, just because someone can't write a written report or any kind of written work doesn't mean that one doesn't have ant creativity, on the contrary. Ron in Bad Boy shows as also in many geniuses the "freedom of thought" characteristic, where he has his mind completely absorbed in what he is doing. The situation of when he is writing is a very relative one but it is true that one does not have the same mental freedom while writing, unlike simply thinking where one can think at a very speed and with no restrictions.
Got it!? (more or less like this, but it is true that this subject like all subjects is infinitely relative).
PS: I know this because I have the same symptom.
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Post by Sorsha on Dec 23, 2005 11:20:12 GMT -5
I would have assumed that if Kim got her red hair from her parents, her green eyes would have to come from her papa (being that is directly where eye color comes from). But he just has dark eyes. And Mrs. P has blue eyes.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 23, 2005 11:43:27 GMT -5
Thorius, you are assuming because someone can intuit how something would work or fit together that they must also have the requisite mathematical knowledge. That is false.
I grew up on a farm. Our neighbor was great older gentlemen who had led a very interesting life. He grew up during the depression and never graduated high school. If I remember correctly he never even attended high school, his last schooling was 8th grade. He had a difficult time balancing his checkbook and my mother would help them with it every month. Long division was as difficult of math that he could understand.
However, the man could build dang near anything. He just had a talent for knowing how to put things together. As I am older now and more educated, I look back at some of the items that he built. They were incredible for a man with his education and mathematical abilities. However, there were flaws in his designs. Flaws that even a simple maximization formula in calculus would have caught. His design worked, but it wasn't optimized.
A person can intuit how to build things that will work based on a spatial understanding and past experience and trial and error. However, a person with a high mathematical intelligence and knowledge will generally be able to apply equations to the situations, or at least numerical analysis depending on the complexity of the system, to maximize the build.
For a simple example. How many people can hammer nails into a pair of boards to connect them together? Quite a few, it only takes a minimal amount of spatial understanding to figure out where to put the nails. Now how many people would know the optimum number and spacing of the nails for a particular load? Not many. This requires knowledge of shear flow, and people do not go through any sort of mathematical process subconsciously in their heads when they nail the boards together. They generally gauge on experience and trial and error.
Ron built some very complex things, which required some very complex thought processes. (Surforst don't assume that everything needs code or electrical complexity. For a good comparison look up the differences between the Russian and US space programs during the space race.) This does not necessarily mean that they were optimized. Building them took a great spatial understanding, yet really required minimal mathematical abilities. To optimize them would take the mathematical ability.
I will grant you that in Bad Boy he had a decent amount of physical scribblings. Thus I do not think that he is as bad in math as is often portrayed. This is also supported by the fact that no matter how bad they say his grades are in math he continues to move up with Kim. I taught math for six years. You do not move a kid who managed a D in algebra I up to algebra II, that is just setting them up for failure. Neither of my school would even allow a person with a C to move up without instructor permission. Therefore, Ron had to score fairly well.
And finally to comment on the ‘gentlemanly C’ line from And the Molerat will be CGI Other then geography he doesn’t say which classes or how many he got Cs in. ‘One of the many’ could mean a large range of numbers.
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Post by surforst on Dec 23, 2005 12:37:05 GMT -5
Ron built some very complex things, which required some very complex thought processes. (Surforst don't assume that everything needs code or electrical complexity. For a good comparison look up the differences between the Russian and US space programs during the space race.) This does not necessarily mean that they were optimized. Building them took a great spatial understanding, yet really required minimal mathematical abilities. To optimize them would take the mathematical ability. Everything does required code you just don't look hard enough for it. That's my firm belief as a programmer. Anyway I assume Ron's weather machine works. That's the basis we are going off of right. Now in order to work the machine must be able to regulate the weather. In order to do this the machine must perform certain functions at certain times most of which will be at a rate that a normal human could not possibly match. These functions would be figuring out the moisture, heat, and energy currently present in the air for one. It would then have to make minor adjustments to that in order to continue to achieve the intended goal it currently working towards. You can't just build a machine to create a hurricane you have to build a machine that can influence the earth climate in such a way that it produces a hurricane. This means a few things. 1. There is programming involved unless he planned on sticking a doped up Rufus in there. 2. The programming requires equations and algorithms to work effectively. As a programmer I can say my field is logical not spatial so this hints to the fact that Ron is a logical minded genius. 3. The machine precisely influences the earth's environment in the correct way to produce the intended effects. If not then there would be unforeseen side effects. Like he wants it to ran but instead the sky opens up and sucks them into space. Stuff like that. This means less trial and error and more planning it out through an understanding of math, climate, and physics. There we go. I think I've made my case.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 23, 2005 14:16:22 GMT -5
I happily agree with taechunsa. Yes, mathematical awarness is a skill in itself, but not the only thing required to build something as complex as any of those machines.
And as a teacher currently trained in assessment techniques... I really don't think anyone is properly assessing Ron's mathematical genius. Lazy students are irritating to judge that way.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 23, 2005 19:13:57 GMT -5
Thorius, you are assuming because someone can intuit how something would work or fit together that they must also have the requisite mathematical knowledge. That is false. I grew up on a farm. Our neighbor was great older gentlemen who had led a very interesting life. He grew up during the depression and never graduated high school. If I remember correctly he never even attended high school, his last schooling was 8th grade. He had a difficult time balancing his checkbook and my mother would help them with it every month. Long division was as difficult of math that he could understand. However, the man could build dang near anything. He just had a talent for knowing how to put things together. As I am older now and more educated, I look back at some of the items that he built. They were incredible for a man with his education and mathematical abilities. However, there were flaws in his designs. Flaws that even a simple maximization formula in calculus would have caught. His design worked, but it wasn't optimized. A person can intuit how to build things that will work based on a spatial understanding and past experience and trial and error. However, a person with a high mathematical intelligence and knowledge will generally be able to apply equations to the situations, or at least numerical analysis depending on the complexity of the system, to maximize the build. For a simple example. How many people can hammer nails into a pair of boards to connect them together? Quite a few, it only takes a minimal amount of spatial understanding to figure out where to put the nails. Now how many people would know the optimum number and spacing of the nails for a particular load? Not many. This requires knowledge of shear flow, and people do not go through any sort of mathematical process subconsciously in their heads when they nail the boards together. They generally gauge on experience and trial and error. Ron built some very complex things, which required some very complex thought processes. (Surforst don't assume that everything needs code or electrical complexity. For a good comparison look up the differences between the Russian and US space programs during the space race.) This does not necessarily mean that they were optimized. Building them took a great spatial understanding, yet really required minimal mathematical abilities. To optimize them would take the mathematical ability. I will grant you that in Bad Boy he had a decent amount of physical scribblings. Thus I do not think that he is as bad in math as is often portrayed. This is also supported by the fact that no matter how bad they say his grades are in math he continues to move up with Kim. I taught math for six years. You do not move a kid who managed a D in algebra I up to algebra II, that is just setting them up for failure. Neither of my school would even allow a person with a C to move up without instructor permission. Therefore, Ron had to score fairly well. And finally to comment on the ‘gentlemanly C’ line from And the Molerat will be CGI Other then geography he doesn’t say which classes or how many he got Cs in. ‘One of the many’ could mean a large range of numbers. I am sorry taechunca but I have never said that, on the contrary. What I have said is that one can understand very complex ideas by his own kind of mental processes, or ways (same thing). This may involve some mathematical thought or not(although most times not). Ironicaly most gifted children, are all though to be mathematical geniuses that can think of everything in mathematical terms in a snap, but this is false: First, after they are told something, they imediately think of a mental image that coincides with what they are thinking(this is done almost automaticaly), this process, depending on the situations may involve some or even none mathematical thoughts, they just make this image through what may be called as they own commom sense, since their mental processes is also extremely subjective. This works extremely well with Ron's case, but since he had built all these inventions, he must also have very strong mathematical instinct that is extremely associated with his mental image of this several things.(more or less like this) And one more thing, when I say a strong mathematical instintct, I don't mean super complicated mathematical equasions, on the contrary, the equasions make are in fact very simple, and they don't need to be in any way complicated, for instance, two students have to solve an equasion, one uses super complex formulas, only learned at university, but the other might use simple methods. Mathematics is like a net, to reach an objective there is more than one way, either it is short or long and or complicated or simple. PS: when I say gifted chidren I mean gifted chifren I the area of spacials/physics, and interpretational imaging(although there is more to it). How the heck did you get that idea? lol! Or did I wrongly pronounced myself before?
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Dec 24, 2005 9:18:35 GMT -5
Thorius, you are assuming because someone can intuit how something would work or fit together that they must also have the requisite mathematical knowledge. That is false. I grew up on a farm. Our neighbor was great older gentlemen who had led a very interesting life. He grew up during the depression and never graduated high school. If I remember correctly he never even attended high school, his last schooling was 8th grade. He had a difficult time balancing his checkbook and my mother would help them with it every month. Long division was as difficult of math that he could understand. However, the man could build dang near anything. He just had a talent for knowing how to put things together. As I am older now and more educated, I look back at some of the items that he built. They were incredible for a man with his education and mathematical abilities. However, there were flaws in his designs. Flaws that even a simple maximization formula in calculus would have caught. His design worked, but it wasn't optimized. A person can intuit how to build things that will work based on a spatial understanding and past experience and trial and error. However, a person with a high mathematical intelligence and knowledge will generally be able to apply equations to the situations, or at least numerical analysis depending on the complexity of the system, to maximize the build. For a simple example. How many people can hammer nails into a pair of boards to connect them together? Quite a few, it only takes a minimal amount of spatial understanding to figure out where to put the nails. Now how many people would know the optimum number and spacing of the nails for a particular load? Not many. This requires knowledge of shear flow, and people do not go through any sort of mathematical process subconsciously in their heads when they nail the boards together. They generally gauge on experience and trial and error. Ron built some very complex things, which required some very complex thought processes. (Surforst don't assume that everything needs code or electrical complexity. For a good comparison look up the differences between the Russian and US space programs during the space race.) This does not necessarily mean that they were optimized. Building them took a great spatial understanding, yet really required minimal mathematical abilities. To optimize them would take the mathematical ability. I will grant you that in Bad Boy he had a decent amount of physical scribblings. Thus I do not think that he is as bad in math as is often portrayed. This is also supported by the fact that no matter how bad they say his grades are in math he continues to move up with Kim. I taught math for six years. You do not move a kid who managed a D in algebra I up to algebra II, that is just setting them up for failure. Neither of my school would even allow a person with a C to move up without instructor permission. Therefore, Ron had to score fairly well. And finally to comment on the ‘gentlemanly C’ line from And the Molerat will be CGI Other then geography he doesn’t say which classes or how many he got Cs in. ‘One of the many’ could mean a large range of numbers. I am sorry taechunca but I have never said that, on the contrary. What I have said is that one can understand very complex ideas by his own kind of mental processes, or ways (same thing). This may involve some mathematical thought or not(although most times not). Ironicaly most gifted children, are all though to be mathematical geniuses that can think of everything in mathematical terms in a snap, but this is false: First, after they are told something, they imediately think of a mental image that coincides with what they are thinking(this is done almost automaticaly), this process, depending on the situations may involve some or even none mathematical thoughts, they just make this image through what may be called as they own commom sense, since their mental processes is also extremely subjective. This works extremely well with Ron's case, but since he had built all these inventions, he must also have very strong mathematical instinct that is extremely associated with his mental image of this several things.(more or less like this) And one more thing, when I say a strong mathematical instintct, I don't mean super complicated mathematical equasions, on the contrary, the equasions make are in fact very simple, and they don't need to be in any way complicated, for instance, two students have to solve an equasion, one uses super complex formulas, only learned at university, but the other might use simple methods. Mathematics is like a net, to reach an objective there is more than one way, either it is short or long and or complicated or simple. PS: when I say gifted chidren I mean gifted chifren I the area of spacials/physics, and interpretational imaging(although there is more to it). How the heck did you get that idea? lol! Or did I wrongly pronounced myself before? I also add the fact that Ron would need to know Physics, quantics, electrodynamics, electronics, fotonics, hydralics, mathematics, quantun physics and quantun mechanics(these last two are the area of quantics), software programing and hardware engeniering. Ron did not have the necessary knowledge to build all these inventions, but may be partially explained by this: 1: His cognitive capabilities. 2: Since he didn't had the required knowledge, he had to explore these fields, and understand then in his own way. Again this is possible, let me give you an example: When I was 15, I saw an article that only said these two crucial points: Fotonics, and laser. Later I had though of this and explore this subject even further without any clues or references, and wha tI thought was this: 1: The gate entries in fotonics had to detect fotons. 2: The first step of fotonics will be optical-electronics, where microchips had to have a gate entry sensible to photons. 3: Fotonics may not be possible to reach since: A quantic software had to be build.(in other words, all actions made in the quantic system had to be recorded. The software must also be abe to organize all qubits even in supersposition. 4: If its indeed possible to build a pure fotonic system then:(this is most likely to happen) The one of the best ways to develop an efficient quantic system would be to create a nanoscopics array of nanocrystals with a very low(like an aerogel) density and quasi-zero dimentional. The crystals would have to redirect fhotons, and these could even bemade by a junction of ther cystals, with different shapes and densities. In other words, the crystals would act as processing facilities.(these would also have very low energy levels). 5: Another way would be by firing photons to a material of some sort with the ideal characteristics, and one of these characteristics would be the ability to redirect photons wit ha high level of efficiency (metals have this property). Later when I was 16 I finally had found a book about this subject and the results where? All my gueses where correct. I had also learned much more by reading that book. The same could be applied to Ron but not completely, but keep this in mind, when I had formulated all those things I had no knowledge of quantics, heck I didn't even know what quantics was.(although I had heard the word before). Now, we can't apply this completely to Ron because: 1: The time he had to build his inventions. 2: The fact that he almost never showed any interest to these subjects. Although when in Dark Ron he explored them with all his interest. And other things I am not remembering right now..... This may prove my theory that in order to build these inventions, Ron wouldn't need to have the requested knowledge. But he explored these fields with all his interest, making his plans while he explores these fields, and then he reaches the objectives using different ideas(and most of these ideas are in fact very subjective), but the results are these same. I have also come up with the idea that through the character Ron we can learn several lessons of how the human mind works. Most likely Disney did use the existing knowledge about the human mind to create the story lines of Bad Boy and other episodes where Ron proves himself that he is in fact a "Hyper" genius. One more thing. Disney as any cartoon would have to show these ideas in a simplified way, cutting out some factors, simplifying the theory as much as possible. Another philosophical theory that I have thought of is that the universe on a pratical level doesn't need to be analysed mathematicaly, the best way would be by practical error and correction, and Ron does that. Second, at a theoretical level, the we have only two options, either mathemicaly of philosophicaly, although these two subjects don't really have borders that can separate them. PS: Surforst is partialy right , Ron may have an very complex idea of how the system works but still he would need to have his skills as a programmer and mathematician in a very advanced level. But still even if Ron didn't knew programming language and hard hardware engenneiring, if he was given a Programming software he would explore it and eventually figure out how it works. Through this he may even from the start use some triks or tecniches that he may have very well discovered by himself (and got used to these) from the beginning. And one more thing... MERY CHRISTMAS TO ALL! ;D
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