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Post by JuPMod on Mar 30, 2006 8:16:10 GMT -5
My betareader posted a response to my latest DA journal, and he pretty much stated he doesn't like any fics that mess around with canon. Other words, change say the direction of an episode in the show, and he wouldn't like it at all. This makes me wonder just how many KP fans think the same way. Fanfics, far as I'm concerned, are separate from established canon. I've read many pre-"StD" fics where the stories ver away from established canon, even paired Kim or Ron with someone else. CaptainKodak1's "After Wannaweep" is a great example, where Kim stays with Josh and Ron is paired with Tara. From the high-praised large responses to "After Wannaweep", I guess many don't mind reading fics that go in a different direction than canon, especially if they are written well. For me personally, I don't mind these fics at all. They are fanfics, not scripts bent on changing the TV show. Fics are always fun ways for people to write 'what ifs' and other stories different than canon. I have the mindset to separate fics from the show in order to enjoy these type of stories. What about you?  |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 30, 2006 8:22:16 GMT -5
I don't mind canon changing fics. I mean, I can deal with reading fics where Ron and Kim are paired with different people.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Mar 30, 2006 8:43:04 GMT -5
done well, ANYTHING can happen in fanfiction.
the problem is that people tend to remember the negative, as we do in everything - so instead of remembering the well-written story where it works because the author's done a good job in making us believe it's possible, we remember the bad story where it's just... bad.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 30, 2006 8:46:59 GMT -5
done well, ANYTHING can happen in fanfiction. the problem is that people tend to remember the negative, as we do in everything - so instead of remembering the well-written story where it works because the author's done a good job in making us believe it's possible, we remember the bad story where it's just... bad. Yeah, there are a few changed canon stories that I remember because they were just horrible and left me traumatized. I barely remember the great stories out there. |
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Post by Kothoga on Mar 30, 2006 9:54:49 GMT -5
I always read fanfics with a good story, don't mind different pairings.
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Post by surforst on Mar 30, 2006 10:32:57 GMT -5
If done well it's a good thing if done bad it doesn't matter what their doing. Heck I've been known to mess with cannon after all it is fanfiction. So yeah I'm ok with changing cannon though to only a certain degree. Very OOC characters tend to tick me off unless there a good explanation like its a fusion or something. I'm sick though of all the stories where Ron runs off crying because Kim doesn't spend enought time with him and then comes back covered in muscles *the poor cow* and in general just treating Kim bad. Now those are cases of poorly written stories on the whole.
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Post by DrMike on Mar 30, 2006 10:49:32 GMT -5
There's a serious of works done in the Daria (*grumble*) fandom where Daria and Jane are captain and first officer aboard a US nuclear submarine after a nuclear war.
It's well thought out, described and planned.
No way is that canon.
Still done well though
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Post by zaratan on Mar 30, 2006 11:34:52 GMT -5
I have no problem messing with canon if it produces a great story. Myself, I prefer to play with canon, and make it work for me with whatever changes I play with.
In my main story, I gave Bonnie psychic abilities. Now obviously, that did not and will not happen, but I was able to blend her abilities into the existing canon, even going so far as to writing stories based on the episodes to fit my interpretation of the KP universe in my story Answers, which involves Job Unfair and Exchange from different characters views without changing their canon whatsoever.
It's all a matter of how it's done, in my view. It can make for an amazing story, or a colossal flop.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 30, 2006 17:25:59 GMT -5
In my fanon continuity, which I still have not named (and I created it way in December 2003), but, it follows the events of the movie Dogma in a fic I wrote and actually finished around this time two years ago, in which Kim is a descendent of Christ. Now, I know it's not canon, I know it'll never happen, which is why I call it "fanon." In another set of fics, I have Kim and Ron sent to the magical world to protect Harry Potter around the time of book 5. They have some magical abilities themselves... but, again, not canon.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 30, 2006 23:15:13 GMT -5
I've noticed I'm not very interested in any story that breaks Kim and Ron up, or that was written before So the Drama and extrapolates that they're still "just friends" in college or something. I'm sure it's possible to write good stories that way. It's just not what I want to see happen.
Other changes to canon, hmm, I don't know. Maybe. I'm getting used to Shego/Barkin.
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Post by Pim Peccable on Mar 30, 2006 23:15:54 GMT -5
Zaratan's example is well put. Most of my own stories are in "the future", so I try to base everything on canon without changing it. With luck, even season four may not mess it up. The exception is "Time Cooties" which takes place during SIT. I tried to get the story to fit perfectly and even explain how Kim knew to go to her first mission and stop the Gorilla statue. Good Fanfiction can fill holes in canon without advers effect. Other good fanfiction can change everything and still be entertaining Like fusions and such. (KP:NG rocks! ;D ) |
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Post by Quin Separable on Mar 30, 2006 23:16:17 GMT -5
I really don't mind. After all they are fanfictions...not actual scripts of the show. However, they have to be written well.
I'd say more but I'm tired and need to go finish my last wallpaper and work on a CL fanfic.
Besides, it's after 11 PM here...
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Post by surforst on Mar 31, 2006 1:17:00 GMT -5
Other changes to canon, hmm, I don't know. Maybe. I'm getting used to Shego/Barkin. Yeah Zaratan is slowly converting us all to it. I've fallen and I'd warn you all to run away before it infects you too but hey I'm just a mindless minion. Talk to Zaratan about such things as warnings. Anyway I find it interesting to try to keep cannon from not changing as long as possible. For example I created an OC that I'm trying to fit into cannon and my explanation for it is Mike is the character you just never see. Oh he's around the corner and such as that. Don't know how well its worked so far but in the end I enjoy the stories anyway. Besides I eventually plan to write an alt way of Kim and Ron getting together just for the fun of it. Why? I dunno boredom mostly why else would I write after all? |
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Post by SonicElectronic on Mar 31, 2006 2:21:54 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me, hence the term 'fanon' opposing 'canon'. Depends on HOW you take it. If you just, like, take their names and give them different personalities and make them, like, SPACE HEROES ZOMG then it's kinda like uh... why not just create your own characters..?
I mean, what about people, like myself, who started writing their story way early on before S3 and So the Drama? Mine's an ongoing series with a timeline that I did way before S3 and some of S2 and if I tailor it to fit canon, it'd completely mess the story up and I'm SURE there are other people out there like that.
All fanficts don't have to squeeze into the real canon timeline. Think of Harry Potter for goodness sakes. JK Rowling doesn't leave much room for fanfiction writers in the way of timeline xD If you did a fanfic on Year Two, you'd HAVE to do all that CREATURE KILLING STUDENTS stuff and cross-refrence her, etc. By all means, make up a story using the characters and elements that make the KP show KP. Otherwise if you're going on a totally new tangent, make up your own characters and maybe you can get it published for real and not on the net. I don't even know why this is really a poll, I mean, this is what fanfiction is about: people writing up stories based on the characters of KP & their world. I chose 'don't mind if it's written well' in any case.
/edited for the sake of Harry Potter spoilers sorry D:
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Post by JuPMod on Mar 31, 2006 7:45:13 GMT -5
I don't even know why this is really a poll, I mean, this is what fanfiction is about: people writing up stories based on the characters of KP & their world. I chose 'don't mind if it's written well' in any case. I made it given I really am curious to read what people thought about it. Matter of fact, I'm surprise people vote one way and say the other way. Other words, I read some posted they don't like reading such stories, yet the polls don't show any votes reflecting those views. So I'm like baffled here. Some are saying "I don't mind such fics", but they also say "I don't read them" or "As long as *if*..." (scratches head in confusion) Anyway... Yeah, there are fics that really change canon extremely, but if it was changed slightly, some still will see such a change as 'not right.' Gee, if people are writing these fics for fun, why all the fuss that they don't match canon exactly? I'll admit this... For those who read my latest DA journal, you are aware I'm writing a 'What If' fic where Yori and Ron get together after "Gorilla Fist". No major changes or anything. Just a one slight change in canon to reflect on the possibility that Ron and Yori could have gotten together before "StD" and what would have happen if they did. It's quite a fun challenge for me to make it possible and keep the characters true to their canon personalities (as close as I can make them). And thinking about it, that's what writing these 'what if' fics are... fun. It's exciting (IMO) to imagine the possibilities if one slight change in the canon timeline would make a whole new sitch for the characters. I'm thinking now, on top of my head... *What if* in "Mind Games", the mind swap machine was destroyed *before* Kim and Ron can switch back? Oh, boy. *What if* Ron's resturant in "Two for Tutor" wasn't closed down and Ron becomes the most popular person in the school? I can see Kim would really start to get jelling here. *What if* Ron really did got his brain enhansed in "Naked Genius"? Etc. Etc. I'm sure people see what I'm getting at now.  |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 31, 2006 8:53:11 GMT -5
I'm thinking now, on top of my head... *What if* in "Mind Games", the mind swap machine was destroyed *before* Kim and Ron can switch back? Oh, boy. *What if* Ron's resturant in "Two for Tutor" wasn't closed down and Ron becomes the most popular person in the school? I can see Kim would really start to get jelling here. *What if* Ron really did got his brain enhansed in "Naked Genius"? Etc. Etc. I'm sure people see what I'm getting at now. What If's stuff has always scared me. I mean, it's really insane to think about what could have happened if something else happened. ;D |
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Post by fazhou on Mar 31, 2006 17:23:20 GMT -5
I'm thinking now, on top of my head... *What if* in "Mind Games", the mind swap machine was destroyed *before* Kim and Ron can switch back? Oh, boy. *What if* Ron's resturant in "Two for Tutor" wasn't closed down and Ron becomes the most popular person in the school? I can see Kim would really start to get jelling here. *What if* Ron really did got his brain enhansed in "Naked Genius"? Etc. Etc. I'm sure people see what I'm getting at now. What If's stuff has always scared me. I mean, it's really insane to think about what could have happened if something else happened. ;D In which case you're starting a whole new canon. And spin-offs from that would produce yet another one! |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 31, 2006 17:37:22 GMT -5
That's true, FaZhou.
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Post by JuPMod on Mar 31, 2006 18:00:43 GMT -5
What If's stuff has always scared me. I mean, it's really insane to think about what could have happened if something else happened. ;D In which case you're starting a whole new canon. And spin-offs from that would produce yet another one! Yet it's *fun* to think about it! And I bet it's fun to even *write* about it! ;D |
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Post by airwalker on Mar 31, 2006 21:59:39 GMT -5
My betareader posted a response to my latest DA journal, and he pretty much stated he doesn't like any fics that mess around with canon. Other words, change say the direction of an episode in the show, and he wouldn't like it at all. For me personally, I don't mind these fics at all. They are fanfics, not scripts bent on changing the TV show. What about you? Personally I don't particularly have anything against any well-written Fanfic even if it goes against Cannon. If an author can come up with a good story then it shouldn't be a problem. That said, I will add though that I'm with Cloudmonet in that I generally am not that interested in stories that significantly mess with the K/R pairing. I could read such stories but honestly I'm so in favor of a K/R pairing that anything else will just have a voice in the back of my mind reminding me that somethings just not right. |
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