Whats up with the RonGetsDumped fics?

[dragoonbigl]

It's like a freakin genre of its own! Why is everyone so into writing fics about Kim brutally and shallowly dumping Ron?

*kicks out a soap box and starts laying on the lorax shpeil*
I represent the geeks! DON"T CUT THE RON MAN DOWN!

Nothing but love!

Sorry....just me trying to "stick it to the man"

[surforst]

I don't know I tend to write fics where Kim is the one left out in the dust when it happens. Heck she's the other woman in one of my stories. You know I really feel bad for her I got to stop doing that.

Now why does everyone write stories where Ron gets dumped by Kim? Simply because author who don't bother to watch anything but one episode base Kim character off that. They seem to have it in their heads that Kim is mean and vindictive and does everything she can to hurt Ron. It's annoying but hey what are you going to do.

[zaratan]

Hey, I'm writing a couple fics where she and Ron are very happy or will be very happy (The Darkness Within notwithstanding), so there are still people out there. Besides, I thought this weekend was a huge smuff fest for K/R. I count at least 4 full smuffy fics and 24 chapters since Friday devoted to fluff and smuff. Heck, one even has the Ronman getting it on with both Kim and Shego together (well, before she turned into a Deaddite. Still having some disagreement with him on that).

I'll admit, the couple weeks before Friday were pretty dark, but the Ronman has been getting pretty busy lately! ;D

[dragoonbigl]

Thank god for authors like you guys! You're totally right though, so many people base thier Kim personas off one episode.

In reality I think its harder to write Kim. Ron, he's easy, throw on some goofy hijinx and you can miff the rest and still be believable, but Kim, other than, she can do anything, and she saves the world, what do we have to go on other than the typcial teenage girl thing. Not a whole lot. Maybe its cause I have difficulty looking through her eyes. I dunno.

This was a noticably fluffy/smuffy weekend, but still, plenty of dark stuff to overshadow it still.

And the GWA's Darkness with in, I'm like wigged out. I'm serious its got my stomach spinning in knots. I still have images in my head of Kim kissing some random jock on TV. Scary stuff. My heart bleeds for Ron and I'm torn between not reading it, yet desperatly waiting and hoping that it pulls outa the apparent nose dive its in.

So many scenarios keep going through my mind. It can't be Kim, maybe its not even Ron? Is this really happening? Please tell me JR isn't dead and it was all a dream. lol.

*Shivers* ok, if your next post isn't a manical laugh I'll be surprised.... Thank gawd for smuff, and on a really bad day, the KP section over at adultfanfiction.net. lol

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dragoonbigl said:

Thank god for authors like you guys! You're totally right though, so many people base thier Kim personas off one episode.

In reality I think its harder to write Kim. Ron, he's easy, throw on some goofy hijinx and you can miff the rest and still be believable, but Kim, other than, she can do anything, and she saves the world, what do we have to go on other than the typcial teenage girl thing. Not a whole lot. Maybe its cause I have difficulty looking through her eyes. I dunno.

*maniacal laugh!* Yes I am God's gift to the world! (Zaratan just kinda of followed me down.) Personally I don't like writing a mean Kim after all I made that mistake once and probably killed a really good story. I was young and trying to go with a theme but allowed too many anti-Kim writers influence me. Now I just sit back and write stories where Kim and Ron try to either kill each other or wander around thinking the other can't possible love them. God I like playing with their heads.

As for writing Ron I find it a lot harder. Except for the MS story he's suppose to be a goof all the time. Thing is I need him to be serious when I know he should be funny and it just messes with things. In the end I find it a lot easier to write from Kim perspective when dealing with the real Kim Possible universe. Makes me worried really how often I write from a girl perspective but hey I just go with the flow.

As for the issue of Smuff I'm sorry to say I don't write that stuff. I should really though one day. I got a story in mind and it ends with Kim all sweaty and talking to another man. As bad as that sounds it's not what you think. Ok it depends on what your thinking. Thoughts Zaratan?

[cloudmonet]

I don't find either Kim or Ron particularly hard to write. Pay attention to the opening conflict with Drakken in "Rappin' Drakken"-- A lot of Ron's buffoonery is designed by Ron to flummox the villains. It's also Ron's job to crack jokes an keep Kim happy and self-confident. Yeah, there's a bit of court-jester in Ron-- he's a comic with an important job, but he also kicks butt. "Note serious face." He's not always funny.

Especially if you're writing stories of them being older, I think it's okay to make him a bit more serious, unless he could more effectively make his point or flummox the villain by being funny.

You might want the "Reevaluation of K/R Feelings" threads-- I especially recommend the season two and three ones, for a variety of insights into why these two did what we observe them doing.

Here's my analysis of "The Ron Factor"-- that episode really was an important moment in the K/R relationship, and showed some serious underpinning to Ron's clowning:

A Tale of Two Egos

"The Ron Factor" is the episode that forever changes Ron and Kim's professional relationship. In production order, it's 201, the very beginning of season two. This is where a tale of two egos comes to a turning point.

For someone who can do so many remarkable things so well, Kim Possible has a rather frail ego. She armors herself with slogans-- "She can do anything," or "Anything's possible for a Possible" -- and does her best to live up to them, but when it comes to talking coherently around Josh Mankey, hitting the high notes, folding a burrito, dealing with an electric mixer, or learning to drive a car, she chokes. Bad news-- Kim needs to excel or she feels inadequate. She's very athletic, probably has a black belt in every known and unknown style of kung fu, and puts all this to good use as a cheerleading crimefighter. She's also smart enough to do well in school, though I suspect not as well as either of her remarkable parents. "That's my teen hero," Dad Possible says in "So the Drama," like it's no big. Of course his daughter can save Tokyo toy magnates, dangling from a jet flying between skyscrapers. Still, there's so much love coming from her parents that they don't seem like a huge stress on her.

So what about Ron? He's not so good at a lot of things, doesn't really care about his classes, occasionally tries dating (and actually has some success) but mostly doesn't want to subject himself to the hassle and humiliation. The one thing he really puts his heart into is helping Kim. He may come out bumbling or brilliant, depending on the sitch and his luck, but he keeps trying. And Ron's ego? So grande-sized! Why is he just the sidekick, the distraction? We hear him complain about this over and over in season one.

Actually, in "Bueno Nacho," Ron defeated Drakken with the stolen laser drill while Kim kept Shego distracted-- and this was Kim's plan! A lot of times, Kim is the distraction, while Ron or Rufus actually give the bad guys some devastating surprise.

Global Justice has noticed that Ron is important to Kim's successes and calls his random contributions "The Ron Factor." If Kim was being completely fair about this, she'd say, "People so underestimate Ron. Drakken and Shego expected me to do something to stop them, and they and the henchmen all came after me while Ron was melting the cheese wheel," or something of similar meaning. But no, Kim can't give Ron this much credit, even in her own mind, not yet, because of her frail ego and his bloated one.

So Global Justice installs monitoring equipment on Ron, and he egotistically assumes everything he does is "The Ron Factor," boo-yah! and proceeds to become an embarrassing parody of himself, to the irritation of Kim and Monique. Now Monique no longer believes Ron deserves more credit from Kim than he was getting.



But Dr. Director of Global Justice has an evil twin brother, Gemini, who becomes interested in possessing the Ron Factor for himself, and kidnaps Ron, and takes him to his headquarters, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. When he learns that Ron is the Ron Factor, he puts him in a handcuff chair, threatens to obliterate him if he won't join his Worldwide Evil organization, and procures a grande-sized chimmerito to tempt him. Is Ron going to agree to join Worldwide Evil?

At this moment, Dr. Director and Kim burst in, hurling henchmen willy-nilly, and smashing enough electronic equipment to cause impending lair-destruction. Somehow in the chaos, Rufus slips a Chinese finger trap on one of Gemini's robotic blast fingers. Then Kim frees Ron. Both of them look really annoyed at Gemini, but especially Ron. Obviously, Ron was just playing along with Gemini before.



Ron lunges at Gemini, snaps the other end of the finger trap on Gemini's other hand. Gemini tries to pull it off, cant, then I guess tries to fry it off with his robotic hand, but only succeeds in shocking himself unconscious.

"The Ron Factor, amazing!" says Dr. Director.
"No, no, Kim Factor, with just a little touch of Ron," Ron replies.
"That's so sweet," says Kim, smiling and putting her hand on Ron's shoulder.



Apologies for Kim's black glove being nearly invisible in Gemini's shadowy lair.
So what are we to make of this? I mean, if ever a villain was defeated by Ron Factor moves, the Chinese finger trap was a prime example.

So why does bloated ego factor boy give Kim almost all the credit?
1) Maybe Ron has learned that being the Ron Factor is dangerous, and wants to avoid further kidnappings. Maybe, but this doesn't seem like the kind of thought that would come to Ron at such a moment.
2) Maybe Ron's just being fair. After all, if Kim and Dr. Director hadn't clobbered all those henchmen, and Kim hadn't freed him, he wouldn't have been able to do anything. Okay, but the Ron Factor concept doesn't really depend on the percentage of his contribution. It's all about being in the right place with the right move that tips the odds in Kim's favor.
3) Or maybe, just maybe, a smile, a friendly touch on the shoulder, and a "That's so sweet," from this girl means more to Ron than anything else in the world.

In support of this third theory, I pose the question, what is Ron Stoppable even doing in commando clothes, dangling from grappling hooks, fighting the likes of Dr. Drakken, Duff Killigan, or Gemini? He really is better (at least at this stage in the series) at folding burritos and sculpting frijoles in the likeness of a Mayan temple. My answer: He's doing it for Kim.

Here's the weakness of Ron's bloated ego: what he wants more than anything else is Kim's appreciation, which, because of her wariness of his bloated ego, is hard for him to get.

In this moment in Gemini's lair, something significant changes. Ron realizes how much Kim needs his support, and he supports her, and gets the appreciation he wants. Never again will we hear Ron complain about being the sidekick or the distraction. Ron's actual competence in battle rises from now on. Before too long, we'll see him choosing to do missions on his own, and succeeding.

[Levelord]

Oh man Cloudmonet, you've done it again!

[zaratan]

*maniacal laugh!* Yes I am God's gift to the world! (Zaratan just kinda of followed me down.) Personally I don't like writing a mean Kim after all I made that mistake once and probably killed a really good story. I was young and trying to go with a theme but allowed too many anti-Kim writers influence me. Now I just sit back and write stories where Kim and Ron try to either kill each other or wander around thinking the other can't possible love them. God I like playing with their heads.

As for writing Ron I find it a lot harder. Except for the MS story he's suppose to be a goof all the time. Thing is I need him to be serious when I know he should be funny and it just messes with things. In the end I find it a lot easier to write from Kim perspective when dealing with the real Kim Possible universe. Makes me worried really how often I write from a girl perspective but hey I just go with the flow.

As for the issue of Smuff I'm sorry to say I don't write that stuff. I should really though one day. I got a story in mind and it ends with Kim all sweaty and talking to another man. As bad as that sounds it's not what you think. Ok it depends on what your thinking. Thoughts Zaratan?

Followed you down? Ohhh....

I've never written a mean Kim myself. I just prefer to torture the characters from the outside, rather than from within. Of course... SPOILER.

I find Kim harder to write myself. Ron, for me, is a breeze. Kim requires a lot of work on my part. And don't be worried about writing from the female perspective, I do that too. After all, my major characters are Kim, Ron, Bonnie, Tara, Shego... that's an awful lot of estrogen there.

I love the smuff, enjoy it fully. I also like fluff and smut (I have a story I'm working on for AFF.net). Whenever I get the oppurtunity, I try to add a little smuff, just for the sake of it. As for your story idea... Kim getting sweaty with someone not Ron or Shego REALLY doesn't make people too happy most of the time. Just the idea of Kim and Josh in Impossible brought down 20 deaththreats against the poor boy. Have fun though!

And the GWA's Darkness with in, I'm like wigged out. I'm serious its got my stomach spinning in knots. I still have images in my head of Kim kissing some random jock on TV. Scary stuff. My heart bleeds for Ron and I'm torn between not reading it, yet desperatly waiting and hoping that it pulls outa the apparent nose dive its in.

So many scenarios keep going through my mind. It can't be Kim, maybe its not even Ron? Is this really happening? Please tell me JR isn't dead and it was all a dream. lol.

Ahh... so nice to see people are still feeling the gut punch. But you really shouldn't miss the next chapter, so many answers provided. Of course, I'm not even up till chapter 7, and you know where my strengths lie, so if you think your gut is twisting now...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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zaratan said:

I love the smuff, enjoy it fully. I also like fluff and smut (I have a story I'm working on for AFF.net). Whenever I get the oppurtunity, I try to add a little smuff, just for the sake of it. As for your story idea... Kim getting sweaty with someone not Ron or Shego REALLY doesn't make people too happy most of the time. Just the idea of Kim and Josh in Impossible brought down 20 deaththreats against the poor boy. Have fun though!

I'm aware of the fact that people don't like seeing Kim with another guy. They don't mind though when it's Ron with another girl kind of funny there. As for the story I got it mapped out already and just need to write it up. What can I say that one guy gives her a good work out. Though he tends to be the one lying on his back he does give as good as he gets. Trust me though it's not Josh after all I don't see him holding together though he does know our boy Josh. I really got to write that some time soon.

[dragoonbigl]

Followed you down? Ohhh....

I've never written a mean Kim myself. I just prefer to torture the characters from the outside, rather than from within. Of course... SPOILER.

Oh my freakin gawd, either I'm desperatly clawing at empty air for answers or I think I may have just gleamed a small glimpse into the truth of this story...

Maybe the question really is Who shot JR? (Am I confusing my Dallas characters?)

Oh I really think I found it, I really think I found it! Now I hafta read to see if I'm right! Oh now this is gonna kill me!!

Curses all of you GWA members! You're driving me crazy!.


And, Kim, hot and sweaty with another guy? Oh I think I'm gonna cry....oddly enough, I would rather read a smuff/smutt with a Kim/Josh pairing if it wasn't Ron. Anyone else I can think of just, I dunno, gives me the belly flips, Josh just seems so, I dunno 2 dimensional? He just seems like a male airhead, I didn't even feel he was a convincing artsy fartsy type. He definatly wasn't even close to being an "Art GeeK", least not in my book. Blah.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has trouble writing Kim. Even after reading someone elses version of Kim, I always have trouble deciding whether what I read really fit her. I guess I feel like we only ever see her exterior shell, and not so much her nuts and bolts. IF that description makes anysense.....

And cloudmonet bless you I know you can gleam alot of info out of absolutely anything, I guess'm I'm just not that perceptive . I will be rereading all of the K/R evaluation threads very soon in hopes of having an easy time writing Kim.

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dragoonbigl said:

And, Kim, hot and sweaty with another guy? Oh I think I'm gonna cry....oddly enough, I would rather read a smuff/smutt with a Kim/Josh pairing if it wasn't Ron. Anyone else I can think of just, I dunno, gives me the belly flips, Josh just seems so, I dunno 2 dimensional? He just seems like a male airhead, I didn't even feel he was a convincing artsy fartsy type. He definatly wasn't even close to being an "Art GeeK", least not in my book. Blah.

;D

Anyway Mike says Josh isn't that bad. Sure he rambles on about paint and all that stuff but that's part of his charm. Now Kim on the other hand scares Mike to death even though they associate all the time. I feel bad for Mike but he brought it on himself.

[fieryfalcon]

I don't like seeing K\R broken apart in stories set post Drama. Set before that is not so bad.

[mattb3671]

I was talking with MrDrP about a subject like this. My conclusion:

I am mentally not able to write mean K&R fics. I makes me feel ill, and I lose flow.

Thinking it over, I have one story where Ron has his pick of KP, Tara, Yori, Monique, and Bonnie. The only way I was able to do that was because it turns out that it's just a dream; Rondo even feels a bit guilty when he wakes.

Something about K&R and the magical Disney-ness soppy love thing is firmly lodged in my brain. I mean, I couldn't read G-Go's 3rd chappie of 'The Darkness Within' through the first time. I was floating on the shippy goodness that MrDrP & I worked on in the first two chaps, then WHAM!

I guess it's my escape, enjoying one of the best 'loser gets the girl; girl finally see's the loser as a man' ever.

Plus, I'm a big softie.

[ultimatenacotoppin]

I think a lot of what makes us cringe at K/R breaking apart is that as most of us see it, their relationship represents true love in every sense of the word. We know ther have gotten together because of who they are and what they mean to each other not what they look like or where they rank on the food chain. Seing that fail causes us to lose hope in some way. If those two under those circumstances can't make it, what chance do the rest of us have?

Oh, and mattb3671, I'm gunning for your tittle of 'Papa Smuff'. Get ready...

[mattb3671]

Exactly. That true, perfect love that we all want to find. That's why its so tough to think about it not being there.

You did well with your 'Connfessions' story UNT. But to become the Papa? Sha!

You want the smuff!? You can't handle the smuff! ;D

Hey bring it! The more smuff the better!

[dragoonbigl]

Yeah you two, fight it out. go ahead I dare you...Seriously someone has to reign smuff supreme....

Course it'll only benifit the rest of us....heh heh.

Sure write till your hands cramp I'd love more smuff to read. lol

Only bad thing is? I'll never finish my stories with everything I've gotta read. lol

I'm kinda in a slump at the moment. I ended with my first cliffhanger, and now everytime I start to write the next chapter, it absolutly will not flow whatsoever. i know where its going, I just can't get the ball rolling.

Some kinda deformed writers block.....blah.
Anyone else ever have that problem?

[Ezbok58a]

It really is against all I believe in that makes me cringe when I read something with K/R breaking up.

Matt said it best with G-Go's third chapter of 'Darkness Within' it was nice and happy then WHAMO! I litterally sat there for 10 minutes after reading that chapter going "No, no that can't be right. I must have miss read that. It can't be right"

While I put those two through a living hell (Demonic Cars, Zombies, and even a War) I never have anything but pure fluff between K&R.

And I plan to upgrade the fluff to Smuff status when I get to the third story in the Demonic Car series. So keep a eye out for that.

[ultimatenacotoppin]

Thinking about this from a different perspective, breaking them up is a cheap way for a writer to creat drama. It's been so done to so many characters since the begining of storytelling. It's a lot more difficult and, to me at least in the end, more rewarding to have two characters face the external drama as one. If there was ever a pair that you can do that with, it's our two favorite teen heroes...

[dragoonbigl]

ultimatenacotoppin said:

Thinking about this from a different perspective, breaking them up is a cheap way for a writer to creat drama. It's been so done to so many characters since the begining of storytelling. It's a lot more difficult and, to me at least in the end, more rewarding to have two characters face the external drama as one. If there was ever a pair that you can do that with, it's our two favorite teen heroes...

Amen!

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ultimatenacotoppin said:

Thinking about this from a different perspective, breaking them up is a cheap way for a writer to creat drama. It's been so done to so many characters since the begining of storytelling. It's a lot more difficult and, to me at least in the end, more rewarding to have two characters face the external drama as one. If there was ever a pair that you can do that with, it's our two favorite teen heroes...

It's not just the fact that they are lazy it's also that a lot of people just plain hate Kim. They can't see Ron and Kim together because they think Kim is nothing but a b**** and that's just not right. Personally I'm getting sick of the stories where Kim sleeps around and Ron feels bad for himself. "Oh Kim is so cruel to me because she won't give me any action too" That pretty much sums it up. Plain annoying.