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Post by apoptosis on Mar 2, 2006 17:29:53 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I know I'm spamming the board with more Kigo stuffs, but I have a question (inspired by a conversation we're currently having over at the KP Slash board) and wanted to perhaps get some non-Kigo perspectives: How do you define Kigo? For you, does Kigo imply a story/art piece containing definitive romantic relationships between Kim and Shego? If Kim and Shego are friends in an alternate reality or sometime way in the future when Shego has stopped working for Drakken and Kim is no longer an agent, would you still consider this a Kigo piece? If there were a Kim and Shego dynamic where the two women never hooked up or kissed or even shared a mutual romantic moment, but the author inserts/plays up subtextual sexual tension between the two characters, is this a Kigo story? Or is it words/phrases from Japanese poetry often associated with a particular season?  |
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Post by drakkenfan on Mar 2, 2006 17:42:16 GMT -5
I'd say the word "Kigo" would apply to all of those situations.
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Post by surforst on Mar 2, 2006 17:43:13 GMT -5
Or is it words/phrases from Japanese poetry often associated with a particular season? I think that answers that question. Anyone else got something for Surforst. ;D Anyway the way I define Kigo is anything that goes sexual between Kim and Shego. This means them kissing, dating, or playing up non-existent subtle hints between the two. I don't consider them being friends, rivals over Ron, or enemies as a Kigo plot element. There got to be something sexual in nature for it to be Kigo in my book. Also Kigo can be something else. Lets say for example Drakken clones Kim and adds a bit of Shego DNA in order to have the clone posses Shego comet powers. The clone though still looks like Kim in the end so there that. He then adds in various people's intellect and skills into the clone making on crazy powerful killing machine. He then names the clone Kigo and goes from there. Now that's also a Kigo story but of a different sort. Hope this helps you sort it out. |
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Post by apoptosis on Mar 2, 2006 17:43:24 GMT -5
I'd say the word "Kigo" would apply to all of those situations. Even if Kim and Shego were just friends? No romantic strings attached? What if Kim and Shego were friends, but Kim were still dating Ron? |
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Post by apoptosis on Mar 2, 2006 17:48:38 GMT -5
Also Kigo can be something else. Lets say for example Drakken clones Kim and adds a bit of Shego DNA in order to have the clone posses Shego comet powers. The clone though still looks like Kim in the end so there that. He then adds in various people's intellect and skills into the clone making on crazy powerful killing machine. He then names the clone Kigo and goes from there. Now that's also a Kigo story but of a different sort. Hope this helps you sort it out. I was actually thinking of doing a story like that. Someone wants to create a superhuman, and s/he melds the DNA from what s/he considers the two greatest fighters (happens to be Kim and Shego) into a single entity, totally disregarding that Kim and Shego are enemies. And then this 'Kigo' entity interacts with Kim and Shego and the rest of the gang. Drama and hilarity then ensues as Kim and Shego still are enemies, but neither one of them really wants to kill their "daughter" (in the loosest sense of the of word). Eh, maybe later. But yes, that helped a lot. Thank you. |
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Post by surforst on Mar 2, 2006 17:54:15 GMT -5
Someone wants to create a superhuman, and s/he melds the DNA from what s/he considers the two greatest fighters (happens to be Kim and Shego) into a single entity, totally disregarding that Kim and Shego are enemies. And then this 'Kigo' entity interacts with Kim and Shego and the rest of the gang. Drama and hilarity then ensues as Kim and Shego still are enemies, but neither one of them really wants to kill their "daughter" (in the loosest sense of the of word). Eh my planned story went different then that. For one thing the Kigo person has the intellect and skills of Kim, Shego, Ron, Wade, and an OC of mine put into her. Combined together it gives her the fighting ability of Kim, Shego, Ron, and the OC with the skills of Wade, Ron, and the OC. Then using one of Ron crazier inventions Drakken actually implants the Ron factor into the clone. All of this makes her a stronger fighter then Kim/Shego, smarter then Wade, luckier then Ron, and a better planner then the OC (introduced here mostly because no one in the series ever thinks out there moves!). Battle ensues and somehow the good guys win. Kim and Shego never work together though because Kigo puts her and Drakken in the hospital. Something about domestic violence that we don't need to get into. Anyway that's the concept. Also glad I can help. After all the best approach to Kigo is to look at it simply. Its all about the urge to merge after all. |
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Post by clayton on Mar 2, 2006 17:59:12 GMT -5
Kigo is Kim and Shego in a loving health relationship.
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Post by Pim Peccable on Mar 2, 2006 19:03:48 GMT -5
I'm NOT the only one to DO that!?  I changed the spelling for my OC composite clone, hence "Keego". I got some great reviews for it. Someone wants to create a superhuman, and s/he melds the DNA from what s/he considers the two greatest fighters (happens to be Kim and Shego) into a single entity, totally disregarding that Kim and Shego are enemies. And then this 'Kigo' entity interacts with Kim and Shego and the rest of the gang. Drama and hilarity then ensues as Kim and Shego still are enemies, but neither one of them really wants to kill their "daughter" (in the loosest sense of the of word). Eh my planned story went different then that. For one thing the Kigo person has the intellect and skills of Kim, Shego, Ron, Wade, and an OC of mine put into her. Combined together it gives her the fighting ability of Kim, Shego, Ron, and the OC with the skills of Wade, Ron, and the OC. Then using one of Ron crazier inventions Drakken actually implants the Ron factor into the clone. All of this makes her a stronger fighter then Kim/Shego, smarter then Wade, luckier then Ron, and a better planner then the OC (introduced here mostly because no one in the series ever thinks out there moves!). Battle ensues and somehow the good guys win. Kim and Shego never work together though because Kigo puts her and Drakken in the hospital. Something about domestic violence that we don't need to get into. Anyway that's the concept. Also glad I can help. After all the best approach to Kigo is to look at it simply. Its all about the urge to merge after all. ------------ Back on topic. I say all apply. |
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Post by zaratan on Mar 2, 2006 19:29:05 GMT -5
For me, Kigo has to involve a romantic relationship. Just being friends, even with a slight sexual undertone, does not make it Kigo, not if there is no transference of feelings involved. Personally, if they were ever friends, I see Shego as being a bit flirty to get under Kim's skin, simply to annoy her.
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Post by Commander Argus on Mar 2, 2006 19:47:43 GMT -5
Not always. A good writer could portray a sexual/romantic relationship between the two that may not be healthy. What the two of them want may not be what's best for them. Considering the source material, I find this more likely.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Mar 2, 2006 19:54:54 GMT -5
well, the definition is, usually, supposed to be included in the synopsis of the story so that you have some idea of what the story is about.
if I see a story with Mon/Ron, I assume that it stands for Monique and Ron in a romantic relationship - whether that's actually depicted in the story is another thing and that's where the actual rating system comes in.
K/S would mean Kim/Shego to me and the same thing - in a romantic relationship that may or may not be graphically shown in the story. Kigo is just a shorter way of saying it.
as authors we don't put down Kim/Ron without the assumption that we're dealing with a relationship, so I don't see why it would be any different with Kim/Shego. If you don't label your fanfics appropriately, you risk losing readers who might skip over it for something else as well as those who might start reading it and be annoyed that you didn't label it honestly.
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Post by Pim Peccable on Mar 2, 2006 20:17:28 GMT -5
Aers has a point.
While I would personally define Kigo as 'all of the above'; when I see it used in a synsopsis or label, I would assume it to be an actually romantic piece.
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Post by JuPMod on Mar 2, 2006 20:33:01 GMT -5
Anyway the way I define Kigo is anything that goes sexual between Kim and Shego. This means them kissing, dating, or playing up non-existent subtle hints between the two. I don't consider them being friends, rivals over Ron, or enemies as a Kigo plot element. There got to be something sexual in nature for it to be Kigo in my book. What he said goes double for me.  Kigo has to have Kim and Shego in a romantic relationship for it to be really K/S (aka Kigo). If Kim and Shego are friends and Kim is dating Ron, how could that be Kigo if it has elements of K/R in it? |
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Post by Pim Peccable on Mar 2, 2006 20:36:48 GMT -5
how could that be Kigo if it has elements of K/R in it? Only if Ron were trying to break up Kim/Shego because he wants Kim. |
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Post by surforst on Mar 2, 2006 21:11:39 GMT -5
Kigo is Kim and Shego in a loving health relationship. Have to disagree with you on this one. It is not a healthy relationship to have Kim wearing a leash and being Shego pet but that's still Kigo. Just the same as if Ron brutally raped Kim and she then fell in love with him would be considered K/R. Neither is a good story but they've been done to some degree or another. The other thing is some people would disagree that Kigo is a healthy relationship to begin with anyway. Personally I just don't think its a good idea to combine Kim and Shego so does that mean that no stories are Kigo in my mind. The relationship doesn't always have to be healthy to be considered to be part of a particular ship. Doesn't always apply though in cases where the relationship isn't clear. If you want to pair two characters but you want the possibility it could go another way then you shouldn't label it. Though if your writing a Kigo story I do ask you label them since it'll help me personally a lot. Nothing against Kigo writers just not interested. |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 2, 2006 21:29:19 GMT -5
Hey, I've made Kim and Shego gradually become friends in my College series. The opening scene of "Orinoco" has them hanging out at the pool together. www.carlmillerpoems.com/617orinoco.htmlBut I don't think anyone would read this and say I've written Kigo. Especially since Kim and Ron are newlyweds! |
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Post by apoptosis on Mar 2, 2006 21:34:51 GMT -5
Hey, I've made Kim and Shego gradually become friends in my College series. The opening scene of "Orinoco" has them hanging out at the pool together. www.carlmillerpoems.com/617orinoco.htmlBut I don't think anyone would read this and say I've written Kigo. Especially since Kim and Ron are newlyweds! Mmmm, aha. I just propose this because I once encountered someone who said that it was his/her opinion that if Kim and Shego were anything BUT bitter enemies (as seen on the show), then you were delving into Kigo. Seemed a little extreme to me, and I'm glad I wasn't the only one. |
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 2, 2006 22:03:06 GMT -5
Well, maybe some people who start Kim and Shego on the path to friendship have a romantic relationship in mind as the end goal. This may have influenced whoever made thia remark.
My reasons were more complex. Actually they were pretty simple. I just couldn't get into writing stories about lame "take over the world" plans. You only get one or two shots at decent take over the world plans, after which it's a joke. I wanted villainy that at least made sense to me. And, realistically, sooner or later Drakken and Shego's crimes will catch up to them, three strikes and all that. So since they are interesting and popular characters, I gave them new roles as ecological activists.
Shego and Kim becoming friends was a side effect. "Drakken's Trial," "Save the Whales," and "How Darkness Comes" show how it happened.
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Post by surforst on Mar 2, 2006 23:24:38 GMT -5
Personally I avoid the whole friendship thing. The roles I got for them so far are a little odd though.
1. Bitter enemies on opposite sides of the war. Shego on the good guys side this time.
2. Rivals in love though its mostly Shego trying to seduce Ron. Though at this point Kim really doesn't care but she will eventually.
3. Shego is the disapproving older sister of Ron who doesn't like this upstart mortal relationship with her bro. (Second chapter of an expanded one-shot to be posted soon)
4. Kim flirts with Shego but Kim is messed up in the head thinking she's a guy. Shego doesn't like it at all.
I don't consider any of those Kigo at all. Just because you change up the whole fighting thing in the series doesn't make it Kigo. Heck they can even kiss without it being Kigo as proven by #4. Its just plan fun though messing with the characters like that. Good fun! ;D
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 3, 2006 13:52:01 GMT -5
That's very odd, Surforst. Or are those four mutually inconsistent scenarios?
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