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Post by Monique on Apr 15, 2005 0:32:35 GMT -5
*puts on after-midnight-feels-like-drawing-ultra-shipper-hat* My point of view on that whole part of the movie, is that Kim was hoping Ron would say something about his feelings from the time when he said "I think I know what this is about", when he has his petition for Bueno Nacho. Notice how she seems to get her hopes up, followed by disapointment when Ron apologizes for not beating Dr. Drakken. On the phone, Mrs. Possible pretty much tricks Kim into saying that it is because of the food chain. And when Kim does say it, she realizes what she has said and quickly says "No!" The reason Ron is not an acceptable date, or 'boyfriend material', is because he would be going to the prom with Kim as "best friends", not in a romantic capacity. that is the problem. Not that it's Ron. The part about what Bonnie said that really got to Kim was not the food chain part, it was the you don't have a boyfriend part. She knew the whole time that the 'food chain' part was a stupid thing, but I suppose focusing on it was her way of (not) dealing with the real issue. In the next scene, Monique almost has her talked back into liking the idea of going with Ron, until she sees him on his sticker covered scooter. too much "child like charm" When she sees Ron say "I'm losing everything I've ever cared about!", she knows what he's talking about. so she goes to his treehouse to talk to him. She tries to smooth things over with Ron and cheer him up, what does she really say? "it was fun! when we were kids, I mean" "maybe something more than the Bueno Nacho sitch is bothering you..." "We're not in Pre-K any more, time to grow up" Those lines can mean one of two things, in my eyes. 1. Kim doesn't want to be friends with Ron anymore, (it was fun when we were kids) 2. Kim doesn't want to be just friends with Ron anymore. -but she wants Ron to step up and be clear about his feelings, now, not when he was at camp wannaweep Then the very next scene, Eric asks Kim to the prom- her reply? a nervous "oh.... K.." Not an excited Yes! or anything like that. Then of course you know the tied up at Bueno Nacho scene- (my personal favorite, possibly of the entire series) and what happens after that. I don't see Ron taking advantage of someone on the rebound, I see a movie where Kim is hoping Ron will tell her that he likes her romantically, even pushing him a little. (time to grow up) Does that mean Kim didn't like Eric when he was still good? no. But he certainly wasn't the only guy on her mind for most of the movie, or even the main one. Bravo. I agree.
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Post by Sephiroth1550 on Apr 15, 2005 0:49:44 GMT -5
I'm also just going to toss in another person who obviously sees what is going on. That's Monique. In that same scene where they see Ron on the scooter or whatever the heck that thing is, Kim says 'Ron and I are cool!' Monique responds with 'Stand by your Ron!' I know that Gorilla Fist wasn't actually released, but you also have to take that episode into consideration as well. This whole movie is about Kim patiently waiting for Ron and getting distracted when pretty boy Eric comes around. As for the rebound part. That is pushing it a bit. Eric came quickly and left ever faster. Ron has always been there! It may have seemed fast, but this has been building for a long time. The kiss was just the climax, the relationship was and is everything else!
Oh, and on a side note. I heard a bunch of people say that Ron never lived up to his potential. I'll admit he didn't go Monkey Kung-Fu on Eric and that would have been cool, but Drakken remembered his name! He remembered his name! Did no one catch that but me? Ron has been aiming for that since "Crush"!!!
Once more for good measure:
Drakken: "urggghhh.....ahhhhh........STOPPABLE!!!!"
Ron: "BOO.....YAH!" <- the coolest moment ever!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Zede05 on Apr 15, 2005 0:52:09 GMT -5
I'm neutral to the relationship thing, hehe, however, I do agree with Carbon in that this film really pushed the angle that this *romantic* relationship has been going on under the surface for a long time. I give one example, and that is when Kim said "oh, really?" It was said in a hopeful tone, as in "yes, he said it!" not the "What's going on?"
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Post by Gottagrin on Apr 15, 2005 13:21:25 GMT -5
Most of us fans have figured out that Ron's enough creative and capable when doing his business. However thinking of surprises, I still belive if we gave him at least one chance to save Kim in that movie he'll surprise us all! And surprising films have alway been the smart ones. (Like Usual Suspect or L. A. Confidential, both rated R, FYI, and little kiddies shouldn't ever considered trying to fetch those movies rated R, FYI)
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Post by Gottagrin on Apr 15, 2005 13:27:08 GMT -5
You don't have to quote the WHOLE article to say that. ;D ;D
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Post by Sephiroth1550 on Apr 15, 2005 13:30:25 GMT -5
You don't have to quote the WHOLE article to say that. ;D ;D Bravo, I agree
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Post by taechunsa on Apr 15, 2005 17:06:33 GMT -5
Oh, and on a side note. I heard a bunch of people say that Ron never lived up to his potential. I'll admit he didn't go Monkey Kung-Fu on Eric and that would have been cool, but Drakken remembered his name! He remembered his name! Did no one catch that but me? Ron has been aiming for that since "Crush"!!! Since I have been trying to gather all of the episodes I have actually started watching them with an idea of where they fit in continuity. If you want to see some drastic changes in the Ron/Drakken dynamic watch Mind Games and then watch So The Drama. It surprised me that Ron was actually scared of Drakken in the beginning, becuase by the time the series ended Drakken was scared of Ron. (Although, I think that they toned Drakken down more then they built Ron up.) As for wanting the Monkey Kung-Fu. I just wanted to see something like in Twin Factor. I still think that this has to be one of the most impressive fights that Ron ever praticipated in. It wasn't long, nor was it real flashy, but it showcased some serious skill on Ron's part. What disappointed me was that eventhough we have seen Ron literally fight off Kim and Shego, in the end we only see him getting manhandled.
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Post by jabberwocky on Apr 15, 2005 23:22:23 GMT -5
To be fair, (Though I haven't seen the movie), Ron delivered a kick to Eric that, had Eric been human, would've killed him. Necks don't bend that way.
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Post by Timmy811 on Apr 15, 2005 23:58:47 GMT -5
*puts on after-midnight-feels-like-drawing-ultra-shipper-hat* My point of view on that whole part of the movie, is that Kim was hoping Ron would say something about his feelings from the time when he said "I think I know what this is about", when he has his petition for Bueno Nacho. Notice how she seems to get her hopes up, followed by disapointment when Ron apologizes for not beating Dr. Drakken. On the phone, Mrs. Possible pretty much tricks Kim into saying that it is because of the food chain. And when Kim does say it, she realizes what she has said and quickly says "No!" The reason Ron is not an acceptable date, or 'boyfriend material', is because he would be going to the prom with Kim as "best friends", not in a romantic capacity. that is the problem. Not that it's Ron. The part about what Bonnie said that really got to Kim was not the food chain part, it was the you don't have a boyfriend part. She knew the whole time that the 'food chain' part was a stupid thing, but I suppose focusing on it was her way of (not) dealing with the real issue. In the next scene, Monique almost has her talked back into liking the idea of going with Ron, until she sees him on his sticker covered scooter. too much "child like charm" When she sees Ron say "I'm losing everything I've ever cared about!", she knows what he's talking about. so she goes to his treehouse to talk to him. She tries to smooth things over with Ron and cheer him up, what does she really say? "it was fun! when we were kids, I mean" "maybe something more than the Bueno Nacho sitch is bothering you..." "We're not in Pre-K any more, time to grow up" Those lines can mean one of two things, in my eyes. 1. Kim doesn't want to be friends with Ron anymore, (it was fun when we were kids) 2. Kim doesn't want to be just friends with Ron anymore. -but she wants Ron to step up and be clear about his feelings, now, not when he was at camp wannaweep Then the very next scene, Eric asks Kim to the prom- her reply? a nervous "oh.... K.." Not an excited Yes! or anything like that. Then of course you know the tied up at Bueno Nacho scene- (my personal favorite, possibly of the entire series) and what happens after that. I don't see Ron taking advantage of someone on the rebound, I see a movie where Kim is hoping Ron will tell her that he likes her romantically, even pushing him a little. (time to grow up) Does that mean Kim didn't like Eric when he was still good? no. But he certainly wasn't the only guy on her mind for most of the movie, or even the main one. That's a really great analysis, I hadn't looked at the situation in quite that way before. Makes a lot more sense this way.
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Post by Timmy811 on Apr 16, 2005 0:02:53 GMT -5
What disappointed me was that eventhough we have seen Ron literally fight off Kim and Shego, in the end we only see him getting manhandled. I saw that episode recently and unless I'm majorly mis-remembering something Ron only evaded Kim and Shego, not fought off. That's still a great feet in and of itself. Plus as Jabberwocky noted that backflip kick Ron laid on Eric would have killed him if he were human.
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Post by CJ on Apr 16, 2005 1:39:48 GMT -5
The reason Ron is not an acceptable date, or 'boyfriend material', is because he would be going to the prom with Kim as "best friends", not in a romantic capacity. that is the problem. Not that it's Ron. I hate to pick this apart Carbon, but it's the only thing about your whole post that I question, so I have to ask. During the whole scene with Bonnie, when she was tormenting Kim about the boyfriend thing, she brings up the point that all of the "good" guys have been taken. She says that Kim will get stuck with the chess club captain, and then upon seeing Ron burst into the gym, adds "or even worse". It's obvious what Bonnie's implying, my problem is Kim's reaction. She gets this look on her face like going with Ron is such a horrible thing. I've got nothing against Kim mind you, that moment just stuck out in my head. Maybe it was because of the whole tone of the conversation, and maybe I'm just reading into it too much. I'm just curious what you thought of that part specifically. And on another note, to everyone talking about the Ron/Eric fight, I just have one bit to add. I was also pretty disappointed with how it turned out. Yes, Ron did get in a fantastic attack, and of course it would have killed a normal person. But after that one hit, it all goes downhill. It bothered me that he got in Eric's face, challenged him, got in that hit, and then took off to the roof. Only to have Eric burst through the roof and beat him down. After he gets knocked into the wall, the rest of the "fight" is shown in the background, because they are focusing on Rufus. Really, what was more important? All of Ron's frustration and anger towards Eric goes to waste. He should have been able to fight him off. He's shown before that he has the ability. So why didn't he?
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Post by jabberwocky on Apr 16, 2005 1:58:39 GMT -5
It would've been so cool if Ron fought like when he fought Fukushima. Ron is not only a Master of Monkey Kung Fu, but the MMP (Mystical Monkey Power) infused in his body give him some pretty incredible abilities. They should've expanded on his abilities that were shown in "Exchange". I can almost picture Ron, hair flailing from the MMP, absoloutly trashing Eric and then forcing a petrified (I mean truely, brown trousers petrified) Drakken to say his name.
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Post by CJ on Apr 16, 2005 2:05:01 GMT -5
It would've been so cool if Ron fought like when he fought Fukushima. Ron is not only a Master of Monkey Kung Fu, but the MMP (Mystical Monkey Power) infused in his body give him some pretty incredible abilities. They should've expanded on his abilities that were shown in "Exchange". I can almost picture Ron, hair flailing from the MMP, absoloutly trashing Eric and then forcing a petrified (I mean truely, brown trousers petrified) Drakken to say his name. Yes! Thank you! That's exactly how I felt! He has all that amazing potential, and it would have been incredible if he had used it.
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Post by taechunsa on Apr 16, 2005 9:36:47 GMT -5
It would've been so cool if Ron fought like when he fought Fukushima. Ron is not only a Master of Monkey Kung Fu, but the MMP (Mystical Monkey Power) infused in his body give him some pretty incredible abilities. They should've expanded on his abilities that were shown in "Exchange". I can almost picture Ron, hair flailing from the MMP, absoloutly trashing Eric and then forcing a petrified (I mean truely, brown trousers petrified) Drakken to say his name. Exactly! That was my biggest disappointment in the whole movie. There was no absolute closure for Ron's ability. He bumbles through the movie as the bafoonic sidekick, whihc is fine for the most part. However, after rewatching some major Ron episodes they shortchanged him completely (fighting wise) in the movie. The last thing we see of him fighting is getting his head stepped on. That was a major bummer. CJ, don't you think that a Moko Takabisha or a Hiryu Shoten Ha would have been nice? Although it does appear that Drakken studied martial arts with Genma. That was a pretty decent Moko Rakuchi-sei. (I love Ranma 1/2).
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Post by Kimberly Stoppable on Apr 16, 2005 9:39:53 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Disney did that because they wanted it to seem like Ron need Kim. Or maybe they were trying to make the scene more suspenseful? I dunno.
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Post by KimchiCrusader on Apr 16, 2005 9:49:16 GMT -5
Oh man---I LOVE reading all of these ideas!! Everyone here rocks! ^_^ As for the Eric fight...well, the only thing that really got to me was how easily he was "killed" by Rufus. Surely he could have been poked with a pin at school! XD Anyway, maybe Ron was holding back. In his nature, he is a nice, loving guy. It might be hurtful to Kim to be the one to destroy her crush. ....But yeah, it still would've been awesome to see him kick butt.
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Post by Carbon on Apr 16, 2005 16:25:51 GMT -5
It's obvious what Bonnie's implying, my problem is Kim's reaction. She gets this look on her face like going with Ron is such a horrible thing. I've got nothing against Kim mind you, that moment just stuck out in my head. While Bonnie was saying that it would be worse for Kim to go with Ron because he is a loser, I think Kim saw it more as going with her 'just' best friend. Kim has both stuck up for Ron and agreed with Bonnie about Ron in the past. So I guess it really could go either way. My interpretation is that she was disapointed because she knew what going 'as friends' would mean socially. Not because it was Ron. Even if Bonnie was implying that Ron himself was more of a loser than the chess captian, I don't think that's the way Kim sees him, (at least not anymore) and I don't think that's the way she heard Bonnie either. I think she knew that's what Bonnie was getting at, which was a convienent scapegoat for her to worry about.
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Post by Fire on Apr 16, 2005 18:28:53 GMT -5
I know a lot of you are disappointed about how suddenly the movie ended. However, there is a chance the ending was extended for the DVD! They said the movie was extended, so let's hope the ending was also.
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Post by USAPatriot on Apr 16, 2005 19:43:43 GMT -5
The extended movie will probably be an extra few minutes or so, nothing big.
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Post by Zede05 on Apr 16, 2005 19:45:16 GMT -5
The movie will not have an alternative ending, that was a mistake in the press release. The director said so. The extended scenes will happen mostly in the Bermuda Club or before that.
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