StD controversy.......

[Gottagrin]

A for most people is enough a reason to fav StD, but not for me. I've seen too much compliment and I decided to say something really harsh......

The exact post has been posted on TVTome....

I love this movie but I still feel a little disappointed right now. I have no problem with most part of it, but the last 15 minute was just... how should I put this....maybe a lil harsh....well I respect your work Mr. Schooly, Mr. McCorkle and Mr. Loter, but still...it's lame. See, things could have been better if Kim got to save that Eric dude all alone, only to find it was a trap. Then Ron followed and fought and won, saving KP from the edge that some mammoth robot or doomsday machine's gonna crush her or step on her. They could even make a homage of 'Crush', in which KP saves Ron's life from a giant robot-thingy, only left the table turned. And then they went to destroy the mega emitter, foil Evil plan, and go kissy-kissy. ;D ;D Not a big scale of adaption, but its much cooler isn't it!? I kinda know its an action comedy, but some times you need to be serious, especially when its the final showdown. Actually I think parts of ASIT are more serious than this one. I can't help but trying to compare it with ASIT, 'the tempus simia temple chase (Ron rocked in this)''Leave her alone(Ron rocked again!)''Goodbye Ron''KP, you better go alone' and the immortal 'Ron, I couldnt save the world without you'. All these messages leads to the final climax: as we walked through the time portal, only to find them hugged, and time stood still, and this picture was printed in my head like forever, and I feel that there was nothing more that I could ever expect from it. That's all they've missed for making a PERFECT ending instead of a neat ending.

I felt guilty because some said KP's future depends on this movie... but let's talk about it.

[Zede05]

As an animation student, I completely agree with your assessment. The story was only limited to 71 minutes...which was too short for the story they were aiming for. I don't think the lead up to the ending was desperate enough...or "dramatic" enough. If I were doing it, I would have had KP losing in a real fight, not being cheated into defeat, then show that Erik was just a plot to get her to get into such a trap. That would have hurt more for Kim. I would have had Ron not being captured together with Kim, thus giving him the opportunity to save her when she gave up. Then I would move the "there are other guys for you" talk to after the fight, when KP's feeling down and Ron maybe put a hand on her shoulder.

BUT, in its current state, the film still rocks, and hopefully will mean more movies. GO BUY THE DVD PEOPLE!!!

[Sephiroth1550]

After watching this thing several times, I agree that there was something lacking in the ending battle sequence, but you have to realize that Kim and Ron aren't done yet. We may never get to see what happens next, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens. Anyway, I agree that the fight scene and capture scene could have been better if Ron had come to KP's rescue, but it didn't and it was still quite good. Besides every member of the team was needed to take that tower out! Even rufus got in on the action. I liked it because Ron finally stepped up and played an important role, even if that role is just as the side-kick. Besides, he got KP in the end and that's better than anyone else can say!

[James]

At TVTome, I started a thread where I mentioned that the movie needed more "pauses, when the dramatic moments occured. For example, when KP gets betrayed and shocked by Eric, the "camera" should have spent another moment or two registering her reaction, this would have given a bit more emotional import to the moment when she realizes she messed up.

Second, after the capture scene, when Kim admits "she's got nothing," the scene should have paused just a bit with her shoulders dragging, with Kim realizing how she's messed up. Again, just a second more would have emphasized how badly she felt when she realized how she had been used.

Also,when Shego and Kim had their second go round, I would have loved it if Shego had taunted Kim with some sort of remark that she was willing to "dump a loyal friend" for a guy with good looks. And then she would rub it in that KP was no longer so high and mighty now, was she? Since Shego was really playing dirty, in the previous scene by teasing KP about dating Eric, I thought this would have been just in character.


Well, I thought the show needed just a few more minutes of pauses to underline the dramatic moments,
The storyline and plot were great, just needed a bit more playing around with the story.

Sincerely,

JThree
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[Captain Serge Stiles]

But you know, you add more, you have to take away some... Atleast in the final film, because they have to think about time slots.

[Corencio]

Yes... those time slots are evil.

They could've filled the 15 minutes at the end, but NO, Disney movies always end that early.

On the positive side, it was a great movie. I hear what you guys are saying, but all in all, I liked it the way it was (or is...?).

[Carbon]

I liked it just how it was. Kim isn't a damsel in distress, and Ron doesn't need to be the big strong man to save her and win her affections.


Their relationship is much deeper than that.


-edit-

Ron is always there for her, and that's what she really needs, not necessarily someone to "save" her.

[Quin Separable]

[glow=red,2,300]have to agree with you 100% there Carbon.

I think I might write my review later but not tonight[/glow]

[USAPatriot]

I personally liked the movie. It matters what everyone thinks, but it also matters what non-kp fans, the average tv fan likes. We may be 5,000 kp fans to over 5billion tv people. The ratings is what matters, and that we saw the movie we all wanted to see.

[Gottagrin]

I know some of you loved it too much to say anything bad about it. But if every show needs a finale, KP deserves the best one, not better, but best.

And I thought I'm the one who loved it WAY too much.

And yes, the time slot is evil, but ASiT made a good use of it.

[Gottagrin]

Guest-Blue said:

Ah, but Ron did save Kim. When they were tied up in Bueno Nacho and Kim had given up, humiliated and defeated, it was Ron's unwavering faith in her that brought her back to her senses and let her save the day.

Kim doesn't need a big, strong man to defend her, she can take of herself. What she needed to see was that the guy for her was the boy who never gave up on her, never abandoned her, and always believed in her no matter how grim the situation got. And that's Ron Stoppable. We should all have someone like him.

Yeah we've been told times that Ron was liked by Kim only because he is Ron, the coolest haircut wouldnt change it, muscles wouldn't change it, money wouldn't change it, being a jug wouldn't change it...but hey, I just cannot get over with it. This show cannot be ended with Ron being a goofy sidekick or buffoon....

[taechunsa]

I liked the movie, but I would have preferred that they add another 15 to 20 minutes (add another time slot) and expand more with Ron.

Not because I think that Ron needed to save Kim, but because Ron deserved a little closure and respect at the end.

I waited the entire episode for Ron to shine. I wanted to see Ron show off his true full potential, not for Kim, but for himself. Ron has shown some serious talent in the past and I couldn’t wait for the fight between him and Eric. The kick and trip were great, but there could have been so much more. I wanted Ron to punish Eric for what he did to Kim, not because Kim needed him to, but because it is what Ron wanted to do.

There was so much lost in the end when Eric just batted around Ron. So much of Ron’s character that need some respect at the end, some justification for him being a vital part of the team that doesn’t always need Kim to save him.

Ron has some amazing fight potential and I as a fan really wanted to see it. For him and myself, not for Kim.

All of that said, I like the show.

[Handicraft Nazi]

Yes, it ended far to quickly. It all lead up to the this big climax and then just suddenly ended. I would have really loved to see Ron fight back more, instead of just tripping and getting knocked out so quickly. I also really wanted to more of Ron's reaction to Kim's sudden burst of romance. I mean, they didn't even say anything at the dance, or explain what happen between the headquarters and the dance... oh well, that's what fanfics are for.

[Forlong]

Gottagrin said:

I love this movie but I still feel a little disappointed right now. I have no problem with most part of it, but the last 15 minute was just... how should I put this....maybe a lil harsh....well I respect your work Mr. Schooly, Mr. McCorkle and Mr. Loter, but still...it's lame. See, things could have been better if Kim got to save that Eric dude all alone, only to find it was a trap. Then Ron followed and fought and won, saving KP from the edge that some mammoth robot or doomsday machine's gonna crush her or step on her. They could even make a homage of 'Crush', in which KP saves Ron's life from a giant robot-thingy, only left the table turned. And then they went to destroy the mega emitter, foil Evil plan, and go kissy-kissy. ;D ;D Not a big scale of adaption, but its much cooler isn't it!?

I don't think so. The whole movie was spent making Ron feel like he was competting with Erik. But when I saw Evil Erik (nice ring to it) shocking Kim, I thought, "Ron is so going to kill him". Although Ron isn't responsable for ending Erik's existance, I loved it when Ron kicked his head backwards. It was so satifying. I think ending with Kim fighting Shego and Ron fighting Erik was much more true to the movie's plot. It showed Ron was growing up by taking all those hits from tha syntho-hottie, and Kim was able to kick Shegos but (harder than usual). I liked seeing her do it. It was like Kim was paying Shego back for clothes-lining Ron. I also liked these exchanges:
Drakken: Okay. Maybe she is all that.
Ron: Taking over the world is one thing, but you ruined Bueno Nahco. You're going to pay.
Drakken: You can't be serious.
Ron: Note...serious...face!
Drakken: Please...the name escapes me...I beg of you.
Ron: Say my name. Say it!
Drakken: It's...um...r...Ron...Stoppable.
Ron: Booyah.

Kim: You know what I really hate?
Shego: That your date melted?
Kim: No. YOU.

Erik who?

[Taechunsa]

Forlong said:

I think ending with Kim fighting Shego and Ron fighting Erik was much more true to the movie's plot. It showed Ron was growing up by taking all those hits from tha syntho-hottie,

Yeah, I just wanted to have Ron show that he was capable of more then just taking all of those hits. I wanted him to go kung-fu monkey on him. I wanted all of the glimpses of Ron's potential throughout the series to be summarized in one big butt kickin', knock down, drag out fight with a foe even Shego found challenging.

That was what I found missing. We got closure for Kim in the fight with Shego, but I didn't get that visceral closure with Ron.

[KimchiCrusader]

(first post, woo woo!)


Alright, here's my input. Get ready!

We all love Ron. He just rocks. And yes, it would have been nice for him to show his stuff and fight at an equal level with Kim or even better, but that didn't happen, nor is it his character, really. He is already cool enough simply because of his amazing personality. He may be Kim's sidekick, but he already is more impressive than her in certain aspects.

In my opinion, they actually showed Ron improve and step up from the sidekick routine when he started talking to Kim about "other guys" that were out there for her. Throughout the entire thing, Ron doesn't even mention to Kim once that she should consider himself. Despite his jealousy of Eric, he still only had her happiness in mind. Finally, though, he mentions himself, and brings up both what he wants, and what would be good for her.

One thing I liked a lot was the fact that even though Ron was getting beat up by Eric, he kept his mind on what had to be done. His goal was to get the gun back to Kim, and that's exactly what he did---he didn't have a big reaction, such as crying for help.

[Kimberly Stoppable]

Okay, I love controversy and cannot resist putting in my two cents, so here it is!

First off, I have to agree that for me, the movie lacked some emotional impact. Then I remember the age group it is target toward (which isn't mine) and realize that for them, its fine. I wish it had more, but it doesn't.
As much as I love the movie, I do have one major issue with it. Kim. She was being soooo shallow! She even admits to her mom that she won't go out with Ron because of the "food chain". Kim, as I've always seen her, isn't as bad as that. I was furious with her throughout the movie (much to the frustration of everyone else in the room).
Also, I didn't like the ending much because it was to fast. Up until he'd said the lines in my sig *points down*, Kim had been almost completly ignoring Ron. Then the action is over and suddenly BAM, she's falling for Ron and kissing him. Talk about a rebound there. That just doesn't happen. Kim was hurt and betrayed, and in real life would probably feel like Ron were taking advantage of those emotions. I hated that.
Over all though, I loved the movie. I couldn't help but tape it and watch it several times (until I can get money for the DVD, in which case I will by it). I'm looking majorly foward to a day when they may realize they could make more money targeting Kim to an older audience and make the show a bit more emotional with a K/R relationship .

[KimchiCrusader]

Well, this is more towards the romance part of So the Drama, instead of just Ron, but I shall discuss this also. ;D

Throughout the series, Kim has had many shallow moments due to her social life. And really, I don't blame her. Growing up she has been looked at as kind of odd and hasn't fit in because of her work, and in turn wants to fit in more---and she's usually uncertain about weather or not to do something to be normal, even if her actions might hurt some people. Regardless, she ends up noticing what she has done wrong and regrets it. Now, back to the movie. Kim at the time was looking for a boyfriend---not a good friend like Ron. She already didn't have the faith that a relationship would work with them, I assume for similar reasons that Ron had earlier, which would be a possible ruined friendship. Instead, she had a pre-determined image of what kind of guy she wanted, and Eric fit that. I imagine he was a big crush that got carried away---not something as deep as actual love. To note this, when Kim discovered Eric was a syntho-droid, she only felt stupid, not sorrowful. Another sitation is that fact that she doesn't care when he "dies".

The ending should have been a bit longer, but they only had so much time. I think it works well enough, though---think about Kim and Ron, how long they have been together as friends, and how much time there has been for emotions to build up. Once triggered, those emotions and feelings would just explode and overflow. This happened to an extent, as they were themselves, and not forced into pure emotion.


By the way, Ron couldn't be considered much of a rebound, Kim was the one that really made a move.

[Kimberly Stoppable]

Now, don't get me wrong. I am so totally for K/R and have been since the begining I just...I dunno. I thought Kim ought to be a bit more hurt than she was. It didn't seem right to me for her to move that quickly. It was a little...just...off, I guess.

*shrug* Of course, I'm 18 and a member of the VL club, so what do I know?

Signing off,

KS

PS- Forgot, VL club was an in joke. It means Virgin Lips.

[Carbon]

*puts on after-midnight-feels-like-drawing-ultra-shipper-hat*


My point of view on that whole part of the movie, is that Kim was hoping Ron would say something about his feelings from the time when he said "I think I know what this is about", when he has his petition for Bueno Nacho.

Notice how she seems to get her hopes up, followed by disapointment when Ron apologizes for not beating Dr. Drakken.

On the phone, Mrs. Possible pretty much tricks Kim into saying that it is because of the food chain. And when Kim does say it, she realizes what she has said and quickly says "No!"

The reason Ron is not an acceptable date, or 'boyfriend material', is because he would be going to the prom with Kim as "best friends", not in a romantic capacity. that is the problem. Not that it's Ron. The part about what Bonnie said that really got to Kim was not the food chain part, it was the you don't have a boyfriend part. She knew the whole time that the 'food chain' part was a stupid thing, but I suppose focusing on it was her way of (not) dealing with the real issue.

In the next scene, Monique almost has her talked back into liking the idea of going with Ron, until she sees him on his sticker covered scooter. too much "child like charm"

When she sees Ron say "I'm losing everything I've ever cared about!", she knows what he's talking about. so she goes to his treehouse to talk to him. She tries to smooth things over with Ron and cheer him up,
what does she really say?

"it was fun! when we were kids, I mean"
"maybe something more than the Bueno Nacho sitch is bothering you..."
"We're not in Pre-K any more, time to grow up"

Those lines can mean one of two things, in my eyes.

1. Kim doesn't want to be friends with Ron anymore, (it was fun when we were kids)
2. Kim doesn't want to be just friends with Ron anymore. -but she wants Ron to step up and be clear about his feelings, now, not when he was at camp wannaweep

Then the very next scene, Eric asks Kim to the prom- her reply? a nervous "oh.... K.."
Not an excited Yes! or anything like that.

Then of course you know the tied up at Bueno Nacho scene- (my personal favorite, possibly of the entire series) and what happens after that.

I don't see Ron taking advantage of someone on the rebound, I see a movie where Kim is hoping Ron will tell her that he likes her romantically, even pushing him a little. (time to grow up)

Does that mean Kim didn't like Eric when he was still good? no. But he certainly wasn't the only guy on her mind for most of the movie, or even the main one.