Upcoming Yori episode speculation???

[James]

Dear Guys:

In an upcoming fourth season episode, it seems that Ron is concerned about Yori finding out that he and Kim are now an item. But when she find outs, it doesn't really bother her, and that DOES bother Ron. Now, that's in the first few minutes of the episode.

Now, if it was really up to us. . . . Do you think that should be the plot of the episode---that Ron has to get used to the idea that Yori has gone on with her life?. . . . or

Later on, it's revealed that it really DOES bother her, and she wants to do something about it. . . (don't know exactly what)

..or on another twist--later on, just pretending to be bothered by Ron dating Kim, because he's made such a fool out of himself by being bothered by her non-botheredness.

I think it would totally surprise the viewer (or fan) if the well-mannered and quiet Yori was upset by the turn of events.

How do you think Yori should respond in that episode?

JThree
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[Ashfangirl20]

Well I think Yuri may in the end be jealous and turn into some sort of villain, to try and get Ron.

[James]

Please Cloudmonet . . . be out there!!!

Wait. . . I haven't forgiven you yet for that anti-Chip/Gadget remart yet!!

Never mind. I still await your input.


JThree
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[wallaceb]

dannyphantomcute said:

Well I think Yuri may in the end be jealous and turn into some sort of villain, to try and get Ron.

i think she takes the news about ron and kim well, and simply moves on

[Ashley Benlove]

Basically...

[Ashfangirl20]

wallaceb said:

dannyphantomcute said:

Well I think Yuri may in the end be jealous and turn into some sort of villain, to try and get Ron.

i think she takes the news about ron and kim well, and simply moves on

It would be neat if in the end she after Kim and Ron leave she turns into a villain.

[wallaceb]

it would be interesting, but is exceedingly unlikley to happen

[ninjanaco]

james said:

Please Cloudmonet . . . be out there!!!

Wait. . . I haven't forgiven you yet for that anti-Chip/Gadget remart yet!!

Never mind. I still await your input.


JThree
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I wouldn't treat cloudmonet as some kind of infallible interpreter of all things KP. True, he writes well and prodigiously, and possesses artistic merit, but he tends of read too much into things, making mountains out of molehills. As for my opinions of the "Re/evaluation threads, well... look at my profile page and see some of my previous posts.

Anyway, onto Yori...

Later on, it's revealed that it really DOES bother her, and she wants to do something about it. . . (don't know exactly what)

It does? Where did you hear that? I saw some of the spoilers on RS.net and ARA and it said that she'd accepted it.... to much freaking from Ron.

That she completely and totally accepts it, without it bothering her the slightest slight of a bit, does surprise me. No, I do not believe said ninja would become a jealous harpy, and I think she'd do her best to accept it, but I think some part of her would be hurt, at least initally, until she finally decided to move on.

At this point, I think she could be manipulated by someone who convinced her that her wanting Ron was not just her own personal feelings, but objectively better for Stoppable-san.

Why? Because, at least from Yori's perspective, said someone has a good arguement:
Ron+Yori = Ron as MMP ninja warrior-hero
Ron+Kim = "You're prepared not to get in the way, right?"

Yori would somehow try to break up Kim and Ron and try to get the blond boy himself, thinking it to be in Ron's best interest. K/R do not break up, however, but the issue of Ron's MMP and Kim and Ron's partnership, they way they fight evil, and so on, remains for the young couple to sort out. After all, when on the show has Ron used his MMP when Kim was around?

Well, that's the way I'd like to see it done. Bob, Mark and Steve are doing it differently. Let's hope for at least some MMP stuff from Ron, though.

[James]

Dear NinjaNaco:

You had it right at first. According to what we've heard, Yori does accept it well (at least on the surface), but then it does bother Ron that she accepts it so well.

That's what we know WILL happen in the episode.

My speculation is that wouldn't it be somewhat rather boring if that's all the episode is about. Ron, having to learn that's not ALL about him, and that Yori is fine and dandy with everything. It may a bit of surprise for everything if DID mean something to her.

As for CloudMonet, he may make mountains out of molehills, but I do love the way he makes those mountains so beautiful, and colorful, and just the way I like them.

JThree
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[James]

P. S. Ninjanacho:
That was a great speculation/ spin on what the episode could be about?

JThree

[kimfan101]

In just that little scene, one of the best lines by Ron: Does everyone have a heart of stone these days? LOL

[ninjanaco]

james said:

P. S. Ninjanacho:
That was a great speculation/ spin on what the episode could be about?

JThree

No real episode, I just thought up the story idea even before KP was renewed.

[James]

Cloudmonet: You're back. Awaiting input.


Sincerely,

JThree

[cloudmonet]

Okay, I just discovered this thread. Are we discussing Yori or me here? I have to wonder.

The clip I saw at the Gargoyles convention was all about funny, but funny in a sort opf heart-touching way. Kim, Ron, and Yori were together fighting Monkey Fist, Kim all but insists Ron tell Yori about the relationship. Yori takes it all very calm and zenlike, and Ron gets flustered, like aren't you a little bit upset? And Kim gets annoyed with Ron, while continuing to clobber Monkey Fist, who exclaims, "So the Drama!"

Can I imagine what the rest of this masterpiece is going to be like? In detail, probably not, but I can predict this much:

1. Yori will not turn into some kind of villain.
2. Yori will eventually accept Kim and Ron as a couple, whether the feelings she's expressing are her true feelings, or whether she's hiding some amount of heartache.
3. Ron will eventually accept Yori not jealing over Kim.
4. Monkey Fist, whatever he's attempting to accomplish, will be defeated.

This is inevitable because Kim, Ron, and Yori are all good people, and Kim is better for Ron than Yori is, though Yori would probably still be pretty good. Yori overestimates Ron and would eventually be disappointed, or be in denial about his abilities. Kim underestimates Ron and has been repeatedly delighted when he does better than she expects.

I don't know how much of the episode will revolve around the soap opera and how much the villainy, but remember, Mark and Bob have assured us that Kim and Ron are strong and stable as a couple, so they're not going to come anywhere near breaking up over this, and they probably won't get overly fluffy either. There's a chance Yori is more upset than she's letting on, but on the other hand, she does have a certain consciousness level that made me expect her to react the same way Mark and Bob have her doing.

See my story, "Yori and Hirotaka," www.carlmillerpoems.com/451yoriandhirotaka.html
for my guess about Yori's reaction, first to K/R, then to them getting engaged!

And James, if you start a thread, want my input, and for some reason I don't seem to notice, feel free to PM me. I'm still around.

I wouldn't treat cloudmonet as some kind of infallible interpreter of all things KP.

Cloudmonet, infallible interpreter of all things KP!

Kind of has a nice ring to it.

Look out, NinjaNaco, you never know what kind of slogan I might adopt.

[Thorius Maximus]

cloudmonet said:

This is inevitable because Kim, Ron, and Yori are all good people, and Kim is better for Ron than Yori is, though Yori would probably still be pretty good. Yori overestimates Ron and would eventually be disappointed, or be in denial about his abilities. Kim underestimates Ron and has been repeatedly delighted when he does better than she expects.

I'm sorry Cloudmonet but this is somewhat incorrect. Yori does not show to have an excessive amount of faith towards Ron, she does have faith but not excessively. Her statements of Ron being a warrior hero aren't exagerated for he did act like one and was victorius. Ron does have both high potential in MMP and in other martial art related activities like staff fighting. Your statement that Yori would be disappointed with Ron is also incorrect since Ron has lived up up until now to every expectancy and has also in sone fields surpassed the expectations of both Sensei and Yori, furthermore, Yori shares the same opinion Sensei has, they beleive that Ron has the potential, has he hasn't let them don't until now. In time Yori may change her behaviour a bit towards Ron, but up unitl now every indication tells us that Yori's faith (and Sensei's) towards Ron does not come from ignorance but from knowledge and confidence. Second, there was not one sngle moment when Yori overestimated Ron, for as you see, Yori was mostly quiet Ron first came to her life. Yes, she was always in a happy mod and she did also give Ron the proper motivation and confidence with a joyful attitude, although Ron doesn't share much this view., for he has a serious lack of self confidence. Before the battles and Ron's trials against Monkey Fist she continued to give him the prover motivation and was always nice to him, and at the same time allowing Ron to act freely, that is, to force him to make the decisions, a thing he did and in the end suceeded in doing. After the trials she continued to give him confidence and motivation with the proper environment, always allowing to act freely and Ron doesn't even notice he's act much differently from his usual self. In short, overestimation does not exist, their confidence does not come from ignorance, and Ron does have the potential.

Concerning Kim this is a two way thing, Kim does show to enjoy seeing her Ron to succeeded in things and this makes her love for him stronger, but there have also been situations in which Kim imediatly discarted situations that Ron was in and she thought Ron wouldn't smart enough or skilled enough to escape, but in the end he shows her that he did emerge victorious and also exceeded expectations. This last part comes mainly from the idea she has of Ron ever since her youth but there is also her underestimation attitude towards all around her.

In the end if Ron stayed with Yori there would be a much greater chance of him finally realizing his potential and in gaining self confidence and self-estime but with Kim he would have someone who loves him more than anyone not to mention that they act like an old married couple and also that they were made for each other, not to mention that Kim would give him every support possible in everything. In time, Kim's underestimation attitude may gradually less and less affect her, but unfortunately the damage was already made, but one thing would still remain and that's the limitations Kim offers to Ron in every aspect of his life, although Ron is also partially to blame here because he won't do a thing to improve himself, but this lack of self improvement is a behavioural reaction from Ron to the environment of lack of faith and self-confidence around him, which has accompanied him since he meet Kim.

[cloudmonet]

Well, and then there's Thorius Maximus, whose overestimation of Ron's abilities is infinite and undying.

[Thorius Maximus]

cloudmonet said:

Well, and then there's Thorius Maximus, whose overestimation of Ron's abilities is infinite and undying.

Maybe from your eyes.

Excuse me for holding towards the boy the faith he rightfully deserves.

Moving on with the subject.

[Jigsaw]

Everything Thorius Maximus said was very true. I never expected Ron to be so good with a staff while fighting those monkeys. But through out the episode I think Yori will appear to be ok with Kim and Ron dating, but at the very end she will say good bye to them as they leave and the second their gone, a sad expression will appear on her face.

[surforst]

cloudmonet said:

Well, and then there's Thorius Maximus, whose overestimation of Ron's abilities is infinite and undying.

Nah Thorius does think highly of the boy but he tends to be correct when estimating Ron's ability. I do disagree with him on the whole 'Yori improving Ron' bit but then again I've never been a fan of that relationship and most people who support it just latch onto Yori whole 'warrior hero' bit when concerning Ron. That's not a good basis for a relationship in my mind and I've never seen any other indication that Yori would be better for Ron then Kim. As I've always said to those who criticize Kim for her underestimation of Ron it is mostly Ron's fault. When a guy sits around never grasping the simplest concepts and runs away screaming from his shadow you try to always think positive about his abilities. I swear Kim might be a saint the way she's put up with Ron sometimes.

Anyway back on topic the episode in my mind will mostly just be jokes about the whole Ron/Yori thing with Kim eventually getting tweaked by Ron's annoyance at Yori lack of attention. I also suspect we'll see Kim touching Ron a lot (i.e. shoulder contact, hand holding, so on) as we've seen before when ever she gets jealous. She might not 'dislike' Yori but I doubt she'll trust her around Ron. In the end Yori will leave, Kim and Ron will say something stupid, and the sun will set. That's my guess at the moment.

[cloudmonet]

jigsaw said:

Everything Thorius Maximus said was very true. I never expected Ron to be so good with a staff while fighting those monkeys. But through out the episode I think Yori will appear to be ok with Kim and Ron dating, but at the very end she will say good bye to them as they leave and the second their gone, a sad expression will appear on her face.

That's probably about right.

Hey, I'm not saying Ron isn't good at what he does. He is. But he's not quite as good as Yori thinks, and, well, Thorius disagrees with me about this.