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Post by pengychan on May 5, 2008 12:46:51 GMT -5
Aw, now I'm sad because of this pic But I really like it anyway ;D Though it is really sad, I love the whole situation - you had a brilliant idea! Poor Monty...first turned into stone, then just put aside and completely forgotten. It's the kind of fate you wouldn't wish for anyone, not even for your worst enemy. Speaking of which, I adore Ron's sad expression. He came out really well, especially considering you had no reference. It's somewhat comforting knowing I'm not the only one having troubles with priorities right now XD
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Post by SpicyWeasel on May 6, 2008 14:25:54 GMT -5
Aw, beautiful! So now not even AMY loves Monty anymore. However, Ron expresses that he isn't completely forgotten after all. You make great pictures capturing both characters and situation in a not too complicated, yet very effective way, Vampirenaomi. Just like you do in your writing. The humorous pictures are always funny, and the toughtful ones make you wonder, feel sad, feel sympathy or it will warm your heart. Thanks so muchly for sharing! Here's some more fan illustrations from me: ''Spirit of Snow''Author: PengychanMonty is a complex character of many contrasts. Chapter: 31 Description: the descriptions says Monty's expression is ''twisted in an odd mixture of regret and pride''. He is power hungry and ''heartless'' as always, and his lust for power is the strongest, but deeply inside, he can't forget Yuki. Ew...I made Monty look a tad less attractive in this picture than usual.XD Chapter: 31 Description: shortly after the power hungry moment (the illustration above, Monty's UNCONSCIOUSNESS causes him to reach for Yuki in his sleep. I'm very pleasant with how ''right'' Monty's pose turned out, especially the foreshortnings, as a result of the necessary exaggeration. *The ''farewell''-moment with Monty and Yuki parting ways will be up soon. ''The Monkey's Valet''Author: VampireNaomi Chapter: 6 Description: Monty is sure he can leap to the stone island without any problem, while Bates is worried, of course. Nothing special, more a ''paste n' place-characters-into-a-background-practice''. Bates was supposed to turn out more worried, but I happen to fail capturing the facial epressions sometimes, and for one time's sake, I drew the characters too small. It made it easier to concentrate on the poses and proportions, but harder to focus on the expressions. Dungeon designDescription: the dungeon's walls are descibed as smooth, but I did them a bit different from how my head pictured it. I'd so love to know how to do BG's in KP-style in PhotoShop. I'm too used to Paintshop, so what I can do is limited. So, the BG's turned out different from how I pictured the dungeon. Chapter: 6 Description: Monty damaged his right hand badly in the fall, all swollen and unmovable. The advice is always: let it rest, it will heal with time- don't do anything stupid with it! I've never seen a broken, swollen hand before, so I just did something.^^" I love how he almost admits he did a mistake (Monty thinks he's perfect and would never fail), but then he quickly blames his hands and his age instead. *Hehe, I think have a fetish with wrinkles. Almost every time I draw an expression, I add a wrinkle. There is one under Monty's left eye. Yes, I know he already has those wrinkles/sleeping bags under his eyes, but I couldn't resist! Coming up:*Monty and Bates at the airport, Monty being unusually happy. *Monty slips, and falls down the chasm. Check the previous pages in this thread for ''older'' illustrations. More to come!
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Post by pengychan on May 6, 2008 14:58:49 GMT -5
You know, it is a good thing I can comment your pics in two different places in two different places, mostly because I always end up forgetting to mention someting in the firast comment XD For instance, I totally forgot to mention I like how you had the candles burning in the first pic while they usually are not. I like the glow around them, and they somehow add something to the "creepyness" of the illustration, together with the shadows and Monty's expression. Again, I have no words for telling how his expression amazes me - it must have been difficult to figure out, yet you did it perfectly! About the second one, I didn't mention I like the perspective - it came off really well, even though you say you're "not that good" at perspective and foreshortnings. I already told you you're too modest, didn't I? One thing I never said about the illustrations you did for Maria's fic, I'm pretty sure I forgot to mention I like how you placed the characters in the environment in the first one. Even though you first did the background and then added the characters, it just feels...right, not like they were two different pics put together. ...I'm terrible at explaining Hope you get what I mean ^^" Maybe I didn't forget to mention anything about the one in which Monty is looking to his broken hand - love the expression, and his hand looks pretty much the way I think a broken hand would look. Oh, right - I did forget to mention something, again XD I like how Bates turned out too - he looks kinda confused by Monty's rant against his own hands. Can't blame him XD
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Post by SpicyWeasel on May 6, 2008 15:44:13 GMT -5
The only time I recall I've seen the candles burning, was in ' Oh No! Yono!', where Monty's looking in the scrapbook. I guess I picked the effect from that moment. I can totally picture Monty lighting the candles at late evenings/nights, to light up the castle a little in order to see better, of course. There should be electricity in the castle- he used a computer after all. I guess Monty just prefers the old-fashioned way, and only uses electricity when ABSOLUTELY necessary. It fits his character too. It actually wasn't very difficult. I just ''adjusted'' his eyebrows slightly more upwards from a pure mad expression. I know I'm modest.XD I don't have completely full control when I draw poses, and I often have to struggle and erase much before I finally get it to look right. It's not done in 1-2-3, and most of my pictures still have disturbing flaws. So it really surprises me when I get a pose to look right, like this one. To be honest, this is one of my personal favourites of the illustrations. Thanks! It took me a while to understand that an artist should always draw the background FIRST, then add the characters. Or else, you may happen to mess it all up, so that neither of the elements (characters and BG) won't fit very well together. It's just a tip. I'm not saying it doesn't work if you draw the characters first. Thanks again!^^ It disturbs me when I get the feeling that a second character's expression turns out rather static than the other character's expression. But of course, it depends on the situation. EDIT:Just correcting a few stupid typos. The text is the same.
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Post by pengychan on May 6, 2008 16:27:13 GMT -5
Hey, you're right! I hadn't thought much about it. The creators probably did so because it made the atmosphere creepier, but I like to think Monty is kinda old-fashioned. You're right, it definitely suits his character - the most modern thing we've ever seen him use is a computer, and he did only use it once.
Hey, remember I cannot draw to save my life XD What to you is "easy", to me appears, like..."beyond human possibilities" is the best definition I can think of right now XD
One of mine too, though I wouldn't be able to pick a a favorite one among them ^^"
Bates expression turned out realy well, IMO. He's not as expressive as Monty is (no one in the show is, I think XD) but you always do a great job on his expressions ^^
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Post by SpicyWeasel on May 6, 2008 16:49:24 GMT -5
True, and it's indicated that he used it when posting on Kim's site, asking her to help him retrieving the statue for him. Other than that, I don't think he used it very much.
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Post by vampirenaomi on May 7, 2008 11:31:47 GMT -5
Wow, the two of you have had quite a discussion about these pics! I realise that I forgot to mention how cool those candles are, too. I tried to cover them with my hand, and the image instantly lost some of its effect. The picture would feel very empty without that source of light, and as you both said, they add some creepyness into the pic. You sure are. ;D You're one of the best KP fanartists I know, and your stuff always makes my jaw drop. I honestly don't see any of these flaws you keep talking about; the pics are really good. Then again, I guess one is always one's own worst critic. Hey, that's a very interesting idea. I never even though that one could/should do it that way because to me, the characters are always the most important bit, and I often ignore the background. Now that you brought it up, however, it makes lots of sense. Thanks for the tip. And as I said at the LJ community, these are among my favourite illustrations. They really capture the emotion in Alex's writing and support the fic. We're all in debt to you for your awesome work. I won't even mention the pics about my fic because if I started writing the massive thank you, this post would never end. I'll just sum up that I never expected any of those pics, and I was completely speechless when you first posted them. I can understand illustrating "Spirit of Snow" because it has so many emotionally intense and sad/tragic/funny scenes, but I never thought my fic had any good material for art. So in short, thank you.
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 1, 2008 22:44:57 GMT -5
I know I'm not good to draw Monty, but when I saw A Sitch In Time some months ago, I wanted to try to draw him just as he is on one of the pictures on the KP fan site. I don't know why I wanted to draw him like this, but... well, he's cute as a little boy=) Here it is:
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Post by vampirenaomi on Jun 3, 2008 15:38:42 GMT -5
It looks great! You really captured all his features well, and the proportions work, too. I've tried to draw little Monty numerous times, but I never get it right.
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Post by pengychan on Jun 4, 2008 7:15:51 GMT -5
Aw, toddler Monty! :3 He looks exactly like he looks in the show - how can you do that? XD I think you're really good drawing him - your previous pic looks great too (you scanned it and reposted it on DA, right?)^^
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 4, 2008 8:10:33 GMT -5
It was not simple to make this right. I found a picture of him from ASIT, on the KPfanworld website. I don't have fantasy enough to think of something by myself. Could it be because I don't to draw Monty so many times? Or it might be because I don't believe I can do it. I don't know.
Yes, this pic is scanned=) They both are=) I think the drawings looks better when they are scanned. Before I had to use my digital camera... the pics became too bad, and too dark... but now they're better=)
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Post by vampirenaomi on Jun 4, 2008 15:24:16 GMT -5
Have you ever tried using a mirror when you draw? When I find some pose really difficult, I look at myself in the mirror. It usually helps a lot. I also practice poses by looking at comics, fashion catalogues etc. I've also come to realise that I can't just draw a character, I always need a story to go with the picture. Only then can I come up with the pose I need.
In any case, I don't think it's absolutely necessary to do your own poses if you don't want to. I like your art just the way it is.
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 4, 2008 16:22:05 GMT -5
I used to do that before(use a mirror). Do you invent the stories, or do you find something? *just wondering!* I like your art too=) It's a nice one you have, on top of this page=)
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Post by vampirenaomi on Jun 4, 2008 16:37:37 GMT -5
What I mean by stories is that I need some kind of substance before I can even start to imagine the pose. For example, I can't just decide that I'll draw Monkey Fist looking annoyed. It doesn't inspire me. But if I decide to draw Monty looking annoyed because he's got a broken leg and DNAmy is drawing pink hearts on the cast, then I have a story and it's a lot easier to decide how the characters should look because I can ask myself, "How would this character react in this situation?".
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 4, 2008 16:42:42 GMT -5
Ok, I see now. Man, I'm so stupid!... Sometimes, it takes a little time for me to understand... sorry=)
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Post by vampirenaomi on Jun 4, 2008 16:44:47 GMT -5
No problem. I can be very unclear sometimes.
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 4, 2008 16:59:44 GMT -5
I don't know if this is the right place to ask... but for how long have you been drawing pics of Monty? I mean, when did you first start to practise and draw him?
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Post by vampirenaomi on Jun 4, 2008 17:21:13 GMT -5
I drew my first Monty picture on the 26th of January this year. I remember it that well because that's when Pengy posted the 19th chapter of Spirit of Snow, and the pic was based on a scene in it. I don't really spend that much time drawing and I never just practice or doodle to improve. I know I should because I don't get the characters on model enough, but I'm just too lazy. I'm really impressed by the likes of Hanna who pay so much attention to detail and spend such a long time learning to get everything right. The way you use screenshots as reference is also an excellent way to improve.
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Post by Sigrid on Jun 4, 2008 17:25:59 GMT -5
Ok=) I'm a bit lazy too. I mean, since I can't think of a drawing of Monty without looking at one of the pics on the KP fansite...
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Post by Slyrr on Jun 4, 2008 18:54:01 GMT -5
Donno if I'm 'on model', but I do like 'em to look good
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