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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 7, 2007 23:26:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the replys Cloud. They gave me a better insite into why you thought certain things. Here are more questions and comments i have though. 1.) Who's Allaine and what questioning are you talking about? He's a member here, a Kigo shipper, who was at gathering of the Gargoyles last summer. He questioned Bob and Mark at the mug-a-guest table. Of course not. He'd get in trouble if he confirmed anything like that! Plausible deniability! Uh, but I think you meant Shego wanting to jump Kim. They don't read fanfics, but this doesn't stop Kigo fans from talking to them. Reactions? About what you'd expect. Sighs and rolling eyes. Public displays of affection? I don't think Kim and Ron have much trouble with this. I don't think they'd necessarily not want to make out in a theater. I'm just saying they have no need to do this, and could easily find more comfortable places. They both like movies, and have a long, nominally pre-dating history of going to movies together, so they might not be going to a movie to make out. Then again, they might, just because a semi-public setting might limit how far they go, if they want to limit how far they go. We're not gonna know anything certain about this, either. Hmm. Exactly where was Ron when Kim was doing splits on top of the pyramid, and how did she look from that angle? Does this or doesn't this say anything about what they do in private? I mention this because the only women I've known who ever "flashed" me, either literally or in some more subtle way, were women I was already intimately involved with. Nothing is provable! It's all suggestion! There's just a heck of a lot of it in this episode.
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Post by GnuHopper on Mar 7, 2007 23:47:02 GMT -5
Cloudmonet wrote:
Actually, this seems to be in line with what seems to be a bit of a shift in focus in the fourth season. While the show has always dealt with both Kim and Ron's personal lives as high school students contrasted with their professional lifes as world-saving adventurers, in the past it always seemed as if they were were struggling to fit their personal stuff in around the current mission -- in other words, the mission always came first. But this season seems to be shifting the other way, as Kim and Ron appear to be more and more with personal, everyday life stuff and the missions are now the distraction they have to fit into the bigger picture.
In time past did Kim and/or Ron have time to hold down a job while saving the world? (See "Bueno Nacho" for the answer). These days dating, football and afterschool employment seem to be the focus of their lives. It makes me wonder if we're meant to believe that eventually they'll grow out of the hero thing and settle down to a safe, suburban existence.
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Post by spacefreak on Mar 7, 2007 23:50:23 GMT -5
Assuming a spin-off of the college years for Kim and Ron, or that there is a season 5 under the same premise, could Jim and Tim pick up the slack with some interventions here and there from Kim and Ron?
I'm thinking that since Team Go was a family affair, could Team Possible turn into a family affair?
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 8, 2007 0:35:29 GMT -5
While the show has always dealt with both Kim and Ron's personal lives as high school students contrasted with their professional lifes as world-saving adventurers, in the past it always seemed as if they were were struggling to fit their personal stuff in around the current mission -- in other words, the mission always came first. But this season seems to be shifting the other way, as Kim and Ron appear to be more and more with personal, everyday life stuff and the missions are now the distraction they have to fit into the bigger picture. In time past did Kim and/or Ron have time to hold down a job while saving the world? (See "Bueno Nacho" for the answer). These days dating, football and afterschool employment seem to be the focus of their lives. It makes me wonder if we're meant to believe that eventually they'll grow out of the hero thing and settle down to a safe, suburban existence. I wonder if that's the case, or if Kim's simply gotten so good at defeating villains that it just seems this way. It's a real problem though. Kim and Ron will need incomes, which means either they'll have to start accepting rewards for saving the world, or find employment with Global Justice. It's just not possible for adults to do something like this as a hobby, unless they make very special arrangements. In the morning she sat in front of her computer, playing the stock market. In the afternoon and evening, she saved the world. How does Clark Kent manage? He's always out of the office supposedly working on a story, and a lot of his stories end up being about Superman's activities. It'll be interesting to see how Kim and Ron cope with a really dire emergency, and I think they're bound to run into some of these eventually. Drakken with an oxygen-sucking machine? Bah! That's easy. And actually, it didn't prove that hard. Assuming a spin-off of the college years for Kim and Ron, or that there is a season 5 under the same premise, could Jim and Tim pick up the slack with some interventions here and there from Kim and Ron? I'm thinking that since Team Go was a family affair, could Team Possible turn into a family affair? It's already starting to look that way, isn't it? Back to gnuhopper's conundrum, Jim and Tim are geniuses at cashing in. Kim and Ron may learn something useful from them.
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Post by slicknickshady on Mar 8, 2007 1:10:58 GMT -5
He's a member here, a Kigo shipper, who was at gathering of the Gargoyles last summer. He questioned Bob and Mark at the mug-a-guest table. So this is what you meant with the eyes rolling in the pm. I got ya. I know what you mean by the making out in the theatre. Theres plenty of other places to do that. I dont really think, thinking kim & ron make out is a stretch at all. I have never had a girlfriend so i dont know from experience but it seems all high schoolers who are in a steady relationship make out with each other. I dont think it is a stretch that kim & ron make out. It's just i have never seen a couple that does not make out. Sex again we cant say for sure because you cant assume this in steady relationships like i believe you can assume making out.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 8, 2007 8:04:35 GMT -5
I'm gone for a couple of hours and this happens? I don't have time to reply to the whole thing, but I am going to agree with what Cloud said. He basically said all that was needed to say and I liked it. He wrote it very nicely. I'll probably reply and do some sort of larger post later in the day. But, I will say this about this episode: Kigo, D/S or Kim/Ron, this episode was filled with tons of hints, innuendos, and stuff. That's why this episode got to my top ten within a few days.
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Post by slicknickshady on Mar 8, 2007 8:41:41 GMT -5
This episode is one of my favorites as well. Great Kim/Ron moments.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 8, 2007 11:52:19 GMT -5
I loved it for the Kim/Ron moments, but what made it for me was the fact that we don't know what's happening with Drakken and Shego's relationship.
I found that I actually care!
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Post by slicknickshady on Mar 8, 2007 12:03:19 GMT -5
Drakken and shegos relationship is interesting thats for sure.
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Post by ninjanaco on Mar 10, 2007 10:33:43 GMT -5
It's a real problem though. Kim and Ron will need incomes, which means either they'll have to start accepting rewards for saving the world, or find employment with Global Justice. It's just not possible for adults to do something like this as a hobby, unless they make very special arrangements. Well, in the "Team Impossible" thread on ARA a while back (when the episode premiered in the US), I raised the possibility that, given Kim's worldwide fame, our intrepid do-gooders could market merchandise of themselves, and use the profits gained from that to fund their missions, which in and of themselves would be free (for the helped). And I can totally see Ron having an argument with the action figure makers - Ron wants his figure to have Tai Shing Pek Kwar moves, but the manufacturers want pants-dropping action...
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Post by Yamal on Mar 11, 2007 6:09:26 GMT -5
Nice one, NinjaNaco, haha. That made me laugh. ^__^ That would be like Ron's style, for sure. I can even picture the manufacturers making only Kim and Rufus toys, forgetting about Ron and Wade. Knowing his change in season 4 (Trading Faces, for example, where he doesn't mind to be quoted as 'the one always next to Kim'), I don't know if Ron would care now. Ok, I think he would care, but now I wouldn't be that sure.
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Post by kimfan101 on Mar 11, 2007 16:37:40 GMT -5
Probably not. Though in the other seasons there were certain things that he would care about, but he eventually accepted the fact for whatever it was. The episode 'Bueno Nacho' is a very good example of that where he did actually mind being the sidekick, but by the end of the episode he accepted that fact.
But it wasn't only Ron who had to accept a few facts in that episode. Kim as well also had to accept the fact that there are things that Ron is better at then her. Of course, she was able to admit that as well.
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Post by Forlong on Mar 11, 2007 20:28:39 GMT -5
And I can totally see Ron having an argument with the action figure makers - Ron wants his figure to have Tai Shing Pek Kwar moves, but the manufacturers want pants-dropping action... Kim prefers the pants-dropping action. I only said it because everyone else was thinking it.;
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 12, 2007 9:15:47 GMT -5
And I can totally see Ron having an argument with the action figure makers - Ron wants his figure to have Tai Shing Pek Kwar moves, but the manufacturers want pants-dropping action... Kim prefers the pants-dropping action. I only said it because everyone else was thinking it.; I am going to clap for you. That was great! *applauds*
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Post by lakme on Mar 18, 2007 12:39:50 GMT -5
Sorry, but the Kigo thing is just way too overanalyzing it. I saw no Kigo hints in that episode. Shego was taunting Kim when she called her princess and cupcake, like in StD (I think it was) "Aww, look, Kimmy came out to play!" Like Kimmy, the names cupcake and princess are something that you'd use for a little girl; Shego is not flirting, she is belittling Kim. I admit that a part of me would like Drakken and Shego to get together, though it'd be weird.
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Post by kingcrab on Mar 18, 2007 14:41:05 GMT -5
Kigo hints and subtext are 100% non-existant in the series.
Every time Shego calls Kim a name like that, she's not flirting with Kim--she's insulting her.
They hate each other's guts to no end, so...
LET'S END THE KIGO DEBATES RIGHT NOW!
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Post by Forlong on Mar 23, 2007 10:19:30 GMT -5
So, do you guys want to wait 'til Fashion Victim airs before continuing, or do you want to go right to Grande Size Me? We can always go back, after all.
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Post by ninjanaco on Mar 23, 2007 12:06:43 GMT -5
Well, I've got to agree with you on the total and utter lack of Kigo subtext. Speaking of "Princess," is it just me, of is there in Kim Possible a subversion/debunking/etcetera of the whole "Disney Princess" thing? As has been mentioned before, Shego's "princess" is an insult, and Kim's princess costume gets torn asunder in "October 31st." Then there's "So the Drama." This, I think, is one of the most clear subversions of the princess theme to date. Eric's very name, while it is not a reference to Will's Boy Meets World days (I think Steve Loter confirmed that once), could be a reference to Prince Eric of The Little Mermaid. Likewise, Eric's tuxedo is white top and black tousers, similar to Prince Eric's color scheme (he usually wore a white top and black trousers, and while his uniform's tousers were blue, the top was white as a cake. ) Similarly, look at Kim's prom dress. Ever notice that sparkly light blue somewhere else? That's right - it's a modernized version of the Cinderella dress. Of course, Eric turns out to be a synthodrone, Kim's dress is torn, and our favorite crime-fighting cheerleader finds out that true love is not found with the smooth, golden prince but with the bumbling, lanky geek in the '70s blue puff tux.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Mar 23, 2007 12:34:04 GMT -5
Well, I've got to agree with you on the total and utter lack of Kigo subtext. Speaking of "Princess," is it just me, of is there in Kim Possible a subversion/debunking/etcetera of the whole "Disney Princess" thing? As has been mentioned before, Shego's "princess" is an insult, and Kim's princess costume gets torn asunder in "October 31st." Then there's "So the Drama." This, I think, is one of the most clear subversions of the princess theme to date. Eric's very name, while it is not a reference to Will's Boy Meets World days (I think Steve Loter confirmed that once), could be a reference to Prince Eric of The Little Mermaid. Likewise, Eric's tuxedo is white top and black tousers, similar to Prince Eric's color scheme (he usually wore a white top and black trousers, and while his uniform's tousers were blue, the top was white as a cake. ) Similarly, look at Kim's prom dress. Ever notice that sparkly light blue somewhere else? That's right - it's a modernized version of the Cinderella dress. Of course, Eric turns out to be a synthodrone, Kim's dress is torn, and our favorite crime-fighting cheerleader finds out that true love is not found with the smooth, golden prince but with the bumbling, lanky geek in the '70s blue puff tux. I think you may be onto something here...
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Post by lakme on Mar 23, 2007 14:18:00 GMT -5
Well, it's pretty common to have a movie/book/etc where the girl goes after some hottie and then in the end realizes that all along she's been in love with her best friend (who usually is cute in a nerdy way.) South Park even made fun of that; only it was the guy having to choose between two girls. Unless, that is, the movie's Pretty in Pink (come on, who here didn't want her to end up with Ducky?) The princess theory is interesting though. Eric DOES look a lot like Prince Eric...
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