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Post by Avenger on Mar 25, 2007 16:31:12 GMT -5
I have come to think of Kim Possible as the Simpsons of Disney Channel. And, I'm talking about, like, the earlier Simpsons. The first few seasons, when they were the only thing worth watching on FOX. They parodied, poked fun at, and tore apart all the lame shows FOX had and how lame the network itself was. A little "bite the hand that feeds you" action. And I feel that's much the same way KP works. Everything on Kim Possible mocks or deconstructs the familiar Disney themes. Furthermore, they present Kim as a very strong female role model. She's not some down on her luck "princess" who needs some strong, handsome "prince" to come rescue her and make her life "happily ever after." NinjaNaco did a great job analyzing So the Drama, so there's no need for me to go into the intricacies of the movie. But if you just watch an episode, you will not only find the writers and directors poking fun at the network, but also poking fun at the culture and celebrity that their show's demographic is supposedly supposed to be drawn to. They take multiple shots at all the Disney influenced pop culture, and that's part of what makes the show so enjoyable to me. And it still surprises me that they manage to get away with it.
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Post by Forlong on Apr 22, 2007 20:29:06 GMT -5
But Kimmie's price did come and rescue her.
All together now: AWWWWW.
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Post by Forlong on May 1, 2007 16:46:32 GMT -5
Hey, can we do Fashion Victim?
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Post by cloudmonet on May 4, 2007 22:43:02 GMT -5
401 Ill Suited 402 Car Alarm 403 Trading Faces 404 The Big Job 405 Mad Dogs and Aliens 406 Fashion Victim 407 Grande Size Me 408 Clothes Minded 409 The Cupid Effect 410 Big Bother
I think this is right, isn't it? We should be able to pick this up for quite a while now. Let me go watch "Fashion Victim" and I'll be back. Sorry I didn't notice sooner. I've been lost in the weird world of InuYasha for awhile. Two new episodes (well, new to me) every day for week after week kind of has my mind elsewhere. Why can't Kim have 167 episodes, too?
Back on topic! I tend to get this one and "Clothes Minded" confused because of the titles. I think "Clothes Minded" is Drakken's continent-moving machine, right? So "Fashion Minded" was the stolen Club Banana designs. Yeah, definitely gotta watch it again before I try to talk about it.
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Post by slicknickshady on May 4, 2007 23:25:04 GMT -5
401 Ill Suited 402 Car Alarm 403 Trading Faces 404 The Big Job 405 Mad Dogs and Aliens 406 Fashion Victim 407 Grande Size Me 408 Clothes Minded 409 The Cupid Effect 410 Big Bother I think this is right, isn't it? We should be able to pick this up for quite a while now. Let me go watch "Fashion Victim" and I'll be back. Sorry I didn't notice sooner. I've been lost in the weird world of InuYasha for awhile. Two new episodes (well, new to me) every day for week after week kind of has my mind elsewhere. Why can't Kim have 167 episodes, too? Back on topic! I tend to get this one and "Clothes Minded" confused because of the titles. I think "Clothes Minded" is Drakken's continent-moving machine, right? So "Fashion Minded" was the stolen Club Banana designs. Yeah, definitely gotta watch it again before I try to talk about it. Glad to see you back. ;D
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Post by cloudmonet on May 5, 2007 1:25:06 GMT -5
Fashion Victim
We begin with Kim and Ron together on an ATV pursued by a fleet of black helicopters. Kim fires her grappler gun at one of them, breaks in in midair, discovers the chopper is remote controlled, plugs in Wade, who makes the chopper shoot down the other choppers. She then brings Ron aboard just as his ATV is about to crash into a palm tree, and they land at a fort to confront Dementor, who's kidnapped a duke. Dementor gets away with a very small jetpack, and Kim and Ron worry about being late for work.
Opening credits.
Okay, GnuHopper, I think your theory that now the missions have to be crowded in between school and work has merit.
What about shipping? I'm supposed to be talking about shipping.
Uh, Kim and Ron are showing excellent teamwork here, don't know if the lipstick joke— the laser was in the other one, but Kim touches up her lips first— has anything to do with looking good for her boyfriend/partner, or if it's just girlish vanity— this is a real stretch, anyway, but, you see—
Kim and Ron are pretty much separated for the rest of the episode!
Kim's chasing Camille Leon (sans hairless cat) who's stolen Coco Banana's secret fall fashion designs, trailed by the fashion police, who seem more concerned about bad fashion than anything else, and Monique, whose knowledge of fashion is useful, and whose fighting ability seems better than she thinks.
Ron, meanwhile, is stuck in a crate with a cow and Mr. Barkin, whose sanity ebbs as quickly as his beard grows.
And when they reunite, there's two Kims, one actually Camille— whose morphing ability seems less perfect this time than her first appearance— "I know my girlfriend," Ron says, which definitely places the moment in season four, but he puts his arm around the wrong girl, to Kim's annoyance.
In all fairness, Kim is pretty dark-skinned for a redhead, but the disguised Camille is darker. Monique tells them apart by their clothes. Camille's are expensive, Kim's are imitation.
The bad guys are busted, Barkin gets mocked in the credit tag, and, uh, well, this episode acknowledges Kim and Ron as a couple, but isn't really about the relationship. Sorry.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on May 5, 2007 13:20:23 GMT -5
I concur.
Not an episode the fundamentalist Kim/Ron shippers really care for.
I like it, a bit.
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Post by slicknickshady on May 5, 2007 13:38:32 GMT -5
I concur. Not an episode the fundamentalist Kim/Ron shippers really care for. I like it, a bit. I would agree. I'm just glad they acknowledged the relationship. ;D
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Post by cloudmonet on May 5, 2007 23:41:31 GMT -5
Oh, I really like "Fashion Victim." It just isn't focused on the K/R relationship.
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Post by Forlong on May 10, 2007 16:53:13 GMT -5
And when they reunite, there's two Kims, one actually Camille— whose morphing ability seems less perfect this time than her first appearance— "I know my girlfriend" Ron says, which definitely places the moment in season four, but he puts his arm around the wrong girl, to Kim's annoyance. That was pure, unadultarated Ronness.
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Post by slicknickshady on May 23, 2007 1:39:15 GMT -5
This is the chronological order for Season 4 imo.
#401- Ill Suited #402- Car Alarm #403- Trading Faces #404 - The Big Job #405- Mad Dogs And Aliens #406- Nursery Crimes #407- The Cupid Effect
#409- Fashion Victim #411- Grande Size Me #412- Big Bother #408- Clothes Minded #410- Odds Man In
#413- Clean Slate #414- Mathter And Fervent #415- Homecoming Upset #416- Mentor Of Discontent #417- Cap'n Drakken #418- Stop Team Go #419- Larry's Birthday #420- Oh No Yono #421- Chasing Rufus #422- Untitled Pt. One #423- Intitled Pt. Two
Thoughts people? I think this is pretty accurate. So are we going to wait until Nursery Crimes airs to continue?
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Post by Comrade_Chin on May 23, 2007 2:56:12 GMT -5
Hmm shouldnt this be in the Put Season 4 In Order slick?
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Post by slicknickshady on May 23, 2007 3:04:58 GMT -5
Hmm shouldnt this be in the Put Season 4 In Order slick? It's there. I'm just posting it here to give people an idea so we can get these going again.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on May 23, 2007 3:06:56 GMT -5
Oh okok sorry my bad slick.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jul 9, 2007 1:02:45 GMT -5
Oh okok sorry my bad slick. No problem. ;D Anyway i'm assuming we are waiting till we see every episode of season 4 to update this? It's probably a good idea because then it will be easier for cloud to put them in order.
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Post by Forlong on Aug 13, 2007 15:31:51 GMT -5
Okay, just went over production codes. Here's the order:
Ill Suited Car Alarm Trading Faces The Big Job Mad Dogs and Aliens The Cupid Effect Clothes Minded Fashion Victim Odds Man In Grande Size Me Big Brother Clean Slate Mathter and Fervent The Mentor Of Our Discontent Cap'n Drakken Stop Team Go Chasing Rufus Nursery Crimes Oh No! Yono! Haven't aired yet Larry's Birthday September 1st Graduation September 7th
Now, which one are we at? "Odds Man In"?
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 13, 2007 16:51:00 GMT -5
Okay, just went over production codes. Here's the order: Ill Suited Car Alarm Trading Faces The Big Job Mad Dogs and Aliens The Cupid Effect Clothes Minded Fashion Victim Odds Man In Grande Size Me Big Brother Clean Slate Mathter and Fervent The Mentor Of Our Discontent Cap'n Drakken Stop Team Go Chasing Rufus Nursery Crimes Oh No! Yono!Haven't aired yet Larry's Birthday September 1st Graduation September 7th Now, which one are we at? "Odds Man In"? Taking Production numbers, Holidays (Valentines Day), School Events (Homecoming), Anniverserys (6 Month), and etc into account this is what I come up with. The only confirmed chronological ordered episodes are Ill Suited, Oh No! Yono, and Graduation. The other ones are Educated guesses on where I think they end up.
#401- Ill Suited #402- Car Alarm #403- Trading Faces #404 - The Big Job #405- Mad Dogs And Aliens #421- Chasing Rufus #407- The Cupid Effect #409- Fashion Victim #411- Grande Size Me #412- Big Bother #408- Clothes Minded #415- Homecoming Upset #410- Odds Man In #413- Clean Slate #414- Mathter And Fervent #416- Mentor Of Discontent #417- Cap'n Drakken #418- Stop Team Go #419- Larry's Birthday #420- Oh No Yono #422- Untitled Pt. One #423- Intitled Pt. TwoSomething in this area.
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Post by cloudmonet on Aug 13, 2007 19:06:50 GMT -5
Yeah— we've got a couple of problems here— first, we don't seem to know what the production order really is. For example, I always understood the order to season 3 to be something like:
301. Steal Wheels 302. Emotion Sickness 303. Bonding 304. Bad Boy 305. Dimension Twist 306. And the Molerat will be CGI 307. Overdue/Roachie 308. Gorilla Fist 309. Rappin Drakken 310. Team Impossible So the Drama
with there being some uncertainty about the true production order placement of Overdue/Roachie, Rappin Drakken, and Gorilla Fist. Team Impossible was well understood to be last, before So the Drama.
But KP Fanworld offers this novel production order sequence:
301 Steal Wheels 302 Team Impossible 303 Rappin' Drakken 304 Bad Boy 305 Bonding 306 Emotion Sickness 307 Dimension Twist 308 And the Molerat will be CGI 309 Gorilla Fist 310 Roachie/Overdue
Should we do a new "Reevaluation of K/R Feelings Season 3" based on THIS order?— because believe me it would make a huge difference. I'm not sure I could make much sense of this at all.
Come on, folks, we're not trying to interpret some arcane sequence of how the events "really" happened in Kim's life (yet), just the freaking production order. What's the problem? Why so many different lists? Why don't Bob and Mark, or Steve, or any of the writers, or Grandpa RD, who has some of their office treasures, tell us what the production numbers really are! This shouldn't be some arcane Disney secret!
Here's Forlong's production code list:
1 Ill Suited 2 Car Alarm 3 Trading Faces 4 The Big Job 5 Mad Dogs and Aliens 6 The Cupid Effect 7 Clothes Minded 8 Fashion Victim 9 Odds Man In 10 Grande Size Me 11 Big Brother 12 Clean Slate 13 Mathter and Fervent 14 The Mentor Of Our Discontent 15 Cap'n Drakken 16 Stop Team Go 17 Chasing Rufus 18 Nursery Crimes 19 Oh No! Yono! 20 Larry's Birthday September 1st 21 Graduation September 7th
Whoops! Where is Homecoming Upset? And Here's KP fanworld's version:
401 Ill Suited 402 Car Alarm 403 Trading Faces 404 The Big Job 405 Mad Dogs and Aliens 406 Nursury Crimes (?!) 407 Cupid Effect 408 Clothes Minded 409 Fashion Victim 410 Odds Man In 411 Grande Size Me 412 Big Bother 413 Clean Slate 414 Mathter and Fervent 415 Homecoming Upset 416 Mentor of Our Discontent 417 Cap'n Drakken 418 Stop Team Go 419 Larry's Birthday 420 Oh No Yono 421 Chasing Rufus 422-423 Graduation
I've bolded the sequences where kpfanworld agrees with Forlong. I'd take kpfanworld's word for it if their sequence for season 3 weren't so freaking different from anything I've seen before!
And why does kpfanworld separate "Nursery Crimes" from "Chasing Rufus" by so many episodes? I suppose it could have happened that way, but it never has before, so I'm skeptical.
AND IF THAT ISN'T BAD ENOUGH...
What about "actual" order?
The problem, as usual, is holidays and other specified dates. In general, production 11 assumes the events of productions 10 and 9, but it doesn't usually match the season.
"Cupid Effect" takes place on Valentine's Day, right?
So if the "So the Drama" prom occurs in May or June, it follows that the K/R "halfiversary" from "Clean Slate" must occur in November or December, i.e 6 months later.
But Homecoming, with the football team, usually happens in October, doesn't it?
So, seasonally, these three episodes must go: (kpfanworld's numbers)
415. Homecoming Upset (October) 413. Clean Slate (November or December) 407. Cupid Effect (February)
But in terms of real continuity, such as which mission clothes Kim wears, which kimmunicator she uses, and how her relationships are going, I'm guessing it works out better going by the numbers, assuming we actually have the right freaking numbers! This is probably the best continuity we have, since I doubt Bob and Mark were paying much attention to what time of year it should be, more like, hey, we should do another football story!
No matter what order you put seasons 1 and 2 in, there will be some logical problems. There is no completely correct place to place "A Very Possible Christmas" in the chronology. No matter what you do, there's problems, the biggest being that Nana Possible is supposedly a new character to Ron in "Golden Years," but someone who's known him for many years in "A Very Possible Christmas." You just have to accept there's a mistake somewhere, and choose which possible continuity error to ignore. Throw in football and basketball season, Mother's Day, a whole bunch of things that should happen at the beginning of a semester or quarter, and other seasonal clues, and it's an impossible tangle.
Kim and Ron, and possibly others, do grow and develop as characters, but they change in the order the episodes were written or storyboarded, and attempting to correct this for seasonal events usually introduces more problems than it solves.
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 13, 2007 20:02:00 GMT -5
Yeah— we've got a couple of problems here— first, we don't seem to know what the production order really is. For example, I always understood the order to season 3 to be something like: 301. Steal Wheels 302. Emotion Sickness 303. Bonding 304. Bad Boy 305. Dimension Twist 306. And the Molerat will be CGI 307. Overdue/Roachie 308. Gorilla Fist 309. Rappin Drakken 310. Team Impossible So the Drama with there being some uncertainty about the true production order placement of Overdue/Roachie, Rappin Drakken, and Gorilla Fist. Team Impossible was well understood to be last, before So the Drama. But KP Fanworld offers this novel production order sequence: 301 Steal Wheels 302 Team Impossible 303 Rappin' Drakken 304 Bad Boy 305 Bonding 306 Emotion Sickness 307 Dimension Twist 308 And the Molerat will be CGI 309 Gorilla Fist 310 Roachie/Overdue Should we do a new "Reevaluation of K/R Feelings Season 3" based on THIS order?— because believe me it would make a huge difference. I'm not sure I could make much sense of this at all. Come on, folks, we're not trying to interpret some arcane sequence of how the events "really" happened in Kim's life (yet), just the freaking production order. What's the problem? Why so many different lists? Why don't Bob and Mark, or Steve, or any of the writers, or Grandpa RD, who has some of their office treasures, tell us what the production numbers really are! This shouldn't be some arcane Disney secret! Here's Forlong's production code list: 1 Ill Suited 2 Car Alarm 3 Trading Faces 4 The Big Job 5 Mad Dogs and Aliens 6 The Cupid Effect 7 Clothes Minded 8 Fashion Victim 9 Odds Man In 10 Grande Size Me 11 Big Brother 12 Clean Slate 13 Mathter and Fervent 14 The Mentor Of Our Discontent 15 Cap'n Drakken 16 Stop Team Go 17 Chasing Rufus 18 Nursery Crimes 19 Oh No! Yono! 20 Larry's Birthday September 1st 21 Graduation September 7th Whoops! Where is Homecoming Upset? And Here's KP fanworld's version: 401 Ill Suited 402 Car Alarm 403 Trading Faces 404 The Big Job 405 Mad Dogs and Aliens406 Nursury Crimes (?!) 407 Cupid Effect 408 Clothes Minded 409 Fashion Victim 410 Odds Man In 411 Grande Size Me 412 Big Bother 413 Clean Slate 414 Mathter and Fervent415 Homecoming Upset 416 Mentor of Our Discontent 417 Cap'n Drakken 418 Stop Team Go419 Larry's Birthday 420 Oh No Yono 421 Chasing Rufus 422-423 Graduation I've bolded the sequences where kpfanworld agrees with Forlong. I'd take kpfanworld's word for it if their sequence for season 3 weren't so freaking different from anything I've seen before!And why does kpfanworld separate "Nursery Crimes" from "Chasing Rufus" by so many episodes? I suppose it could have happened that way, but it never has before, so I'm skeptical. AND IF THAT ISN'T BAD ENOUGH... What about "actual" order? The problem, as usual, is holidays and other specified dates. In general, production 11 assumes the events of productions 10 and 9, but it doesn't usually match the season. "Cupid Effect" takes place on Valentine's Day, right? So if the "So the Drama" prom occurs in May or June, it follows that the K/R "halfiversary" from "Clean Slate" must occur in November or December, i.e 6 months later. But Homecoming, with the football team, usually happens in October, doesn't it? So, seasonally, these three episodes must go: (kpfanworld's numbers) 415. Homecoming Upset (October) 413. Clean Slate (November or December) 407. Cupid Effect (February) But in terms of real continuity, such as which mission clothes Kim wears, which kimmunicator she uses, and how her relationships are going, I'm guessing it works out better going by the numbers, assuming we actually have the right freaking numbers! This is probably the best continuity we have, since I doubt Bob and Mark were paying much attention to what time of year it should be, more like, hey, we should do another football story! No matter what order you put seasons 1 and 2 in, there will be some logical problems. There is no completely correct place to place "A Very Possible Christmas" in the chronology. No matter what you do, there's problems, the biggest being that Nana Possible is supposedly a new character to Ron in "Golden Years," but someone who's known him for many years in "A Very Possible Christmas." You just have to accept there's a mistake somewhere, and choose which possible continuity error to ignore. Throw in football and basketball season, Mother's Day, a whole bunch of things that should happen at the beginning of a semester or quarter, and other seasonal clues, and it's an impossible tangle. Kim and Ron, and possibly others, do grow and develop as characters, but they change in the order the episodes were written or storyboarded, and attempting to correct this for seasonal events usually introduces more problems than it solves. The Production Numbers on kpfanworld for Season 4 Came Directly From Steve Loter himself. So we do have the official production numbers for season 4. It's the contibuity order thats confusing. EDIT: Bob just posted this in the ASK THE VIPS thread. The simple answer is we considered all of the holiday episodes outside of any continuity, since they only air them the months of the holiday anyway. The more complicated answer is that we came up with the V-Day idea before we came up with the new outfit. The honest answer is, because we had a variety of experiences with episodes being shown out of order, we never considered continuity of every last detail to be of paramount importance. We worried much more of how things played out within an episode rather than wasting screen time on little details that most people wouldn't notice anyway. This season we had a bit more fun tipping our hat to the continuity obsessed with lots of cross references, but that was mostly for fun. So it seems Cloudmonet you were right about "A Very Possible Christmas".
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Post by cloudmonet on Aug 14, 2007 0:58:04 GMT -5
Well, okay. I guess I was following this order (from kptome), which differs somewhat from the kp fanworld sequence, but the kp tome season 3 sequence was more like what I was used to seeing than kp fanworld's season 3 sequence, so I went with their season 4, which at the time only went as far as 410. But if Steve himself gave them the season 4 sequence, that's gotta be the real one. There must be a story about why "Nursery Crimes" and "Chasing Rufus" are so far apart.
Maybe we coul
Season 4 66. 4-1 401 10-Feb-2007 Ill-Suited 70. 4-5 402 17-Feb-2007 Car Alarm 68 4-3 403 10-Feb-2007 Trading Faces 67. 4-2 404 10-Feb-2007 The Big Job 71. 4-6 405 24-Feb-2007 Mad Dogs and Aliens 75. 4-10 406 14-Apr-2007 Fashion Victim 72. 4-7 407 03-Mar-2007 Grande Size Me 73. 4-8 408 17-Mar-2007 Clothes Minded 69. 4-4 409 10-Feb-2007 The Cupid Effect 74. 4-9 410 07-Apr-2007 Big Bother 76. 4-11 411 28-Apr-2007 Odds Man In 79. 4-14 412 17-Jun-2007 Mathter and Fervent 77. 4-12 413 05-May-2007 Stop Team Go 84 4-19 414a 12-Aug-2007 Chasing Rufus 84 4-20 414b 12-Aug-2007 Nursery Crimes 78. 4-13 415 19-May-2007 Cap'n Drakken 80. 4-15 416 23-Jun-2007 The Mentor of Our Discontent 81 4-16 417 01-Jul-2007 Oh No! Yono! 82 4-17 418 28-Jul-2007 Clean Slate 83 4-18 419 11-Aug-2007 Homecoming Upset 85 4-21 420 01-Sep-2007 Larry's Birthday 86 4-22 421 07-Sep-2007 Graduation, Part 1 87 4-23 422 07-Sep-2007 Graduation, Part 2
Similar, but not exactly the same. Okay, so by the Loter List:
405 Mad Dogs and Aliens 406 Nursury Crimes (?!) 407 Cupid Effect 408 Clothes Minded 409 Fashion Victim 410 Odds Man In
—we should've followed Mad Dogs with Nursery Crimes, then Cupid Effect? Okay, then, if that's the best production order we have, let's do it. I have all of season 4 recorded, but with no clear idea of what order to watch them in, I haven't formed any overall theories of the season yet. It's way interesting that our LAST encounter with Shego, so far, is "Stop Team Go."
I'm gonna have to reread what we have already before writing any more, so if anyone wants to go for it, go ahead.
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