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Post by ren0312 on Sept 16, 2007 13:25:31 GMT -5
Back on topic The concept of saving one's self for marriage, is an old religious practice. Which has become less prevalent with each passing year. Most religions, have progressive sects, aka Anglican and Protestant from Christianity, and Reconstructionalist Judaism. They majority of Christians and Jews, fall under this heading. Since about the 1970s pre-marital sex has been accepted as normal human behavior in these faiths. Since Kim and Ron, nor their families, don't seem very religious, it is likely that they fall in this category. So I do not think they will have any moral objection to any relations they might have. It's not like they just met. Heck, they've practically lived together for 13 years, I'd say that they have taken their time already. And given the intensity of their feelings for one another, if it hasn't occurred already, it probably won't be long until they do make love. My facts and info were obtained at this site en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_sexualityThe problem with slippery slopes is that once you go down that road, you often find it very hard to stop.
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Post by ninjanaco on Sept 16, 2007 15:58:31 GMT -5
Total agreement with ren0312.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 17, 2007 1:42:01 GMT -5
The problem with slippery slopes is that once you go down that road, you often find it very hard to stop. Why would you want to?
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Post by ninjanaco on Sept 17, 2007 13:19:35 GMT -5
Oh, no, are we going to start that argument again?
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Post by kimburnpotts on Sept 17, 2007 18:10:26 GMT -5
Do they have the "self-control" to wait till marriage? Probably. Will they utilize it? Not necessarily, particularly if they don't subscribe to the personal belief that one should wait for marriage. I personally do, but I know that many people don't, and I don't think it's because they don't have the self-control.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 21, 2007 8:43:54 GMT -5
Do they have the "self-control" to wait till marriage? Probably. Will they utilize it? Not necessarily, particularly if they don't subscribe to the personal belief that one should wait for marriage. I personally do, but I know that many people don't, and I don't think it's because they don't have the self-control. Yeah I believe they do. That said we really don't know there personal beliefs.
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2007 8:58:42 GMT -5
Yeah I believe they do. That said we really don't know there personal beliefs. And there lies the beauty of fan fiction ;D
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 21, 2007 13:01:48 GMT -5
First off, I love the thread title. When I first looked at it I thought to myself "Premarital relations, what the heck is that?" Then the 'PG 13' rating dawned on me and I was like, "Oh, that...right." But I digress.
As a Christian I've been taught that you shouldn't have sex with someone unless you're married. Now of course not everyone follows that, but I believe the problem arises when a person has sex with someone who they don't expect to spend the rest of their lives with, or in some cases don't plan to get married to each other AT ALL.
Accidental pregnancies become a HUGE problematic issue in these cases. Yes, I know there are preventative measures that can be taken, but the thing is, accidental pregnancies still happen quite often, which leads me to believe that those measures aren't as preventative as they ought to be.
In far too many cases, premarital sex leads to accidental pregnancies, and many of those cases end up with young women having to raise a child on their own because the father wasn't ready for the responsibility. This is why I'm against teenage/premarital sex for the most part, more so than the religious/moral aspect.
Now as for Kim and Ron, theirs is a different situation entirely because their bond is a whole lot stronger than the average real life relationship. Of course from the writers we know that Kim and Ron will be together forever, but keep in mind that Kim and Ron themselves wouldn't know that. Being as young as they are, they've still got growing to do as individuals and as a couple, so they're a while away from realizing "Yeah, I'm totally spending the rest of my life with you." Now once they do reach that realization, then there would really be nothing wrong with them having sex before marriage, and I believe they're mature enough to understand that.
Basically, once they get engaged, all bets would be off. ;D
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Post by jinxs on Sept 21, 2007 13:05:49 GMT -5
agree great post and welcome
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Post by mrmatt on Sept 21, 2007 17:28:59 GMT -5
Great discussion, very engaging. While I believe there is a physical desire between KP and Ron (I mean what a great/passionate kiss at the end of Graduation or Kim's LBD in Emostion Sickness and Rons subsiquent reaction) I do think they would wait till at least they were engaged. I strongly denouce the idea of them getting engaged right out of high school as both of them strike me as being to motivated to progress in life, i.e. college, ect. first. I can see them getting engaged in either their late college years or after they graduated again. This would allow for their relationship to mature over time, both emostionally and yes physically. It would also give them both a chance to see new places/people. While I am a true believer in K/R I also realise that A) College isn't high school, there are alot of changes and B) Even those who love each other like K/R do will find ways to tick each other off and might need a brief period of time away from one another. Nothing long, just long enough for them to realise how much they love each other and that they love can and will propel them through their relationship whoes.
We also have to remember that while they may not be making love till at least their engagement there are plenty of other ways those crazy kids can entertain each other.
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Post by angelicbunny on Sept 22, 2007 6:47:02 GMT -5
I dunno... I understand the whole 'waiting' thing... but is that what it's all about, what if it happened by chance, they were just together and realised what the other meant to them, and just got carried away with their feelings? I'm not too good explaining this... and my keyboards being weird so I have to check what I'm writing making sure it's all been typed.
I don't think sex should be seen as 'you should wait' etc... if you're with someone you're in love with and you wanna spend the rest of your life with them, then do it. Although, you'll need to be prepared because of the obvious consequences...
(Please don't flame me for my comment!!! XD)
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Post by mrmatt on Sept 22, 2007 9:34:58 GMT -5
::shrugs:: Don't worry about the flaming, most of the folks on this site realise that its all a hypothetical conversation anyway as its about a kids show made by Disney. I can see your point with them just getting carried away with one another and in its own way that is kinda sweet to.
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Post by erdrik on Sept 22, 2007 16:03:36 GMT -5
Awesome thread, interesting discussions. Being a Disney show it is kind of a hard question to answer.
But I would think it could go either way. I think, really, that both of them have the exact same potential to wait and to not wait.
They both respect each other enough to not make the first move, but care for each other enough to agree to it if the other requested.
I don't think a definite answer can be made, as it is more like a pendulum swinging wildly between the two extremes. Given an appropriate situation or environment, the rope holding that pendulum could snap sending it in either direction. ... to wax metaphorically... Any number of currently unknown events could cause either result. I mean, they may not have even gotten together when they did if not for the evil workings of one blue super villain.
I wish the poll had a "could go either way" option...
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Post by djenson2493 on Sept 23, 2007 1:41:34 GMT -5
I dunno... I understand the whole 'waiting' thing... but is that what it's all about, what if it happened by chance, they were just together and realised what the other meant to them, and just got carried away with their feelings? I'm not too good explaining this... and my keyboards being weird so I have to check what I'm writing making sure it's all been typed. I don't think sex should be seen as 'you should wait' etc... if you're with someone you're in love with and you wanna spend the rest of your life with them, then do it. Although, you'll need to be prepared because of the obvious consequences... (Please don't flame me for my comment!!! XD) No flaming, you made good points, if you love someone, it's ok to express it, as long as you're prepared
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Post by mrmatt on Sept 27, 2007 18:30:13 GMT -5
Exactly!
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Sept 27, 2007 18:44:33 GMT -5
The whole subject of them being emotionally ready and prepared for such a huge step is..... touchy. I believe that Kim and Ron do have the self-control to wait until they are married to have sex. And it is true that even though we know of Ron's Jewish hertitage, neither of them seem very religious, so that might not even be a factor in this situation. We can mostly guess that they will both stay together forever, and that they won't have one of those angsty one night stands that people love to write about And, of course, they love each other. I personally don't belive in sex before marriage. But Kim and Ron... I honestly think that they might just go for it when they're a bit older, and maybe even when they're engaged. They loveeach other, and whatever happens, whether it be an accidental child, they'll go through it together.
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Post by The_Shadow on Sept 27, 2007 19:14:08 GMT -5
I'm sorry people, call me cynical, given todays average teenager, and the way these two have known each other since PRE-K? YEAH THEY BANG
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Post by ninjanaco on Sept 27, 2007 19:42:25 GMT -5
Well, I've got to disagree with you on that one, ben316. Kim's got moral values, and when has Ron ever convinced her to do something that she considers morally wrong? Never. So, if Kim doesn't think it's right, they won't do it. As for religiousity, it's true that we don't know Kim's exact religious affiliation - however, we do know she was raised Christian, and for all we know the Disney censors have been hiding her ultramontane orthodox Catholicism.
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Post by The_Shadow on Sept 27, 2007 19:58:55 GMT -5
but it wouldn't just pleasure with these two, looking at them I can see them like someone said getting caught in the moment. I 've known two couples who claimed they intended to wait but were caught in the moment and got married and are still together. like its says in the book the flesh is weak. I'm not disagreeing with anyone but.......it happens
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Sept 27, 2007 20:34:28 GMT -5
As for religiousity, it's true that we don't know Kim's exact religious affiliation - however, we do know she was raised Christian, and for all we know the Disney censors have been hiding her ultramontane orthodox Catholicism. Really? How do we know that she was really raised Christian?
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