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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Apr 26, 2007 16:00:32 GMT -5
There's a sharp line to be drawn there. Even if you don't want to call the kid an 'accident', there aren't many fates more difficult for young people like Ron and Kim to deal with than an unintended pregnancy. Now that I think about it, has either half of the couple even been shown to be aggressive enough to pressure the other into sexual activity? It doesn't seem like it. It'd have to be a very mutual thing for those two. Yes. Their relationship is very balanced. Ron is very respectful to Kim, and I think it would be very un-Kimmie-like to shove Ron down on the bed.
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Post by JuPMod on Apr 26, 2007 16:17:54 GMT -5
Oh, what a sorry state our civilization has fallen to when children are considered "accidents." I really don't like it when people keep *misinterpretting* my words. Do I really have to spell it out now of these days? I *meant* that I don't mind premartial sex as long as the couple take precautions not to start a new life (aka baby) unless *they* (the couple) intended to start a new life. I'm tired of hearing unmarried women becoming pregnant when they have no intentions to become pregnant. If both gendars take precautions when engaging in sex, the lady does not to end up becoming pregnant. Now do you understand me, ladies and gentlemen?
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Post by Forlong on Apr 26, 2007 16:31:27 GMT -5
I think they'd take it slow because of their friendship. Just because they're good on dating, doesn't mean they're comfortable with the idea of having sex yet. Not sure if they'd wait for marrage. Here's what I think on each base.
1st Base(Frenching)-The kiss in So the Drama looked like a French kiss to me, so I think they've hit this base. They just don't do it in public.
2nd Base(fondling)-In The Cupid Effect, when Ron and Kim leave Wade and Monique alone, something about the looks on their faces told me they were going to more than just kiss. Disney deffinately wouldn't show it, but I think they reached second by then.
3rd Base("stimulation")-I think they'd wait 'til after moving out of their parents' homes before trying this.
Home run(Woo-Hoo!)-They'll deffinately wait for this. Maybe they'd even talk about how long they'll wait.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Apr 26, 2007 16:36:21 GMT -5
Oh, what a sorry state our civilization has fallen to when children are considered "accidents." I really don't like it when people keep *misinterpretting* my words. Do I really have to spell it out now of these days? I *meant* that I don't mind premartial sex as long as the couple take precautions not to start a new life (aka baby) unless *they* (the couple) intended to start a new life. I'm tired of hearing unmarried women becoming pregnant when they have no intentions to become pregnant. If both gendars take precautions when engaging in sex, the lady does not to end up becoming pregnant. Now do you understand me, ladies and gentlemen? I completely agree with you and I totally understand what you said. I mean, not using contraception outside of marriage is just ASKING for trouble. I mean, how stupid can people get. I think they'd take it slow because of their friendship. Just because they're good on dating, doesn't mean they're comfortable with the idea of having sex yet. Not sure if they'd wait for marrage. Here's what I think on each base. 1st Base(Frenching)-The kiss in So the Drama looked like a French kiss to me, so I think they've hit this base. They just don't do it in public. 2nd Base(fondling)-In The Cupid Effect, when Ron and Kim leave Wade and Monique alone, something about the looks on their faces told me they were going to more than just kiss. Disney deffinately wouldn't show it, but I think they reached second by then. 3rd Base("stimulation")-I think they'd wait 'til after moving out of their parents' homes before trying this. Home run(Woo-Hoo!)-They'll deffinately wait for this. Maybe they'd even talk about how long they'll wait. I totally agree with this. I think that something more than just kissing happened after The Cupid Effect off screen. I can see them waiting and talking about it. I don't see them just jumping into it without thinking. I mean, who does that?
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 26, 2007 17:34:43 GMT -5
To get a proper image of what this would be like... picture Steve Urkel if he ever saw Laura nude. They both saw each other nude. Both were looking to take a shower, but didn't bother to see if anyone else was using the bathroom. Needless to say they installed locks on the shower to prevent an encore. Also didn't help that Eddie offered Steve a leg, thigh or a breast of chicken.
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Post by Ot@ru on Apr 26, 2007 22:26:46 GMT -5
Would the kiss in STD be considered Making Out? Was it tongue included???
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 26, 2007 22:27:49 GMT -5
I donno but it was quite long i think
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2007 22:50:25 GMT -5
Would the kiss in STD be considered Making Out? Was it tongue included??? We can't be sure if tongue was involved in the STD kiss but it was a very long, open-mouthed kiss so i think it's fairly safe to assume that some tongue action did take place.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Apr 27, 2007 0:16:30 GMT -5
I think they'd take it slow because of their friendship. Just because they're good on dating, doesn't mean they're comfortable with the idea of having sex yet. Not sure if they'd wait for marrage. Here's what I think on each base. 1st Base(Frenching)-The kiss in So the Drama looked like a French kiss to me, so I think they've hit this base. They just don't do it in public. 2nd Base(fondling)-In The Cupid Effect, when Ron and Kim leave Wade and Monique alone, something about the looks on their faces told me they were going to more than just kiss. Disney deffinately wouldn't show it, but I think they reached second by then. 3rd Base("stimulation")-I think they'd wait 'til after moving out of their parents' homes before trying this. Home run(Woo-Hoo!)-They'll deffinately wait for this. Maybe they'd even talk about how long they'll wait. My thoughts exactly. Well said. I totally agree with this. I think that something more than just kissing happened after The Cupid Effect off screen. I can see them waiting and talking about it. I don't see them just jumping into it without thinking. I mean, who does that? Lots of people, actually. Not just teens "do it" without thinking about the consequences. Even full grown adults (including married ones) jump into situations like that. To get a proper image of what this would be like... picture Steve Urkel if he ever saw Laura nude. They both saw each other nude. Both were looking to take a shower, but didn't bother to see if anyone else was using the bathroom. Needless to say they installed locks on the shower to prevent an encore. Also didn't help that Eddie offered Steve a leg, thigh or a breast of chicken. OMG, I actually remember seeing that ep of "Family Matters". If "Kim Possible" wasn't as well written as it is or wasn't a Disney show for kids, "Mind Games" could easily have gone there. I love that Kim and Ron didn't even seem to mind all that much that they had switched brains/bodies.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 27, 2007 0:21:51 GMT -5
Well Kim didnt mind when in some episodes she just change her clothes when Ron was around but since Ron is a gentleman he covered his eyes.
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Post by Nutzkie on Apr 27, 2007 0:35:14 GMT -5
I mean, how stupid can people get. Don't ask questions that you don't want to know the answers to, Ash.
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Post by beeftony on Apr 27, 2007 0:56:46 GMT -5
While I echo most of the comments in this thread, mostly about Ron being willing to wait, there are a few things to consider about Kim. First off, she's impulsive. I mean really, it couldn't have been more than two seconds after the door to the police van closed in StD before she was dragging Ron off to the prom. One of my biggest complaints with that movie was the abrupt ending, but I've come to accept this ability to change gears quickly as a major part of Kim's character. Secondly, waiting until marriage is largely a matter of religion and tradition. Ron and Drakken are the only characters on the show with a confirmed religion, and I don't think I've ever seen the Possibles in church. Also, Kim's a GIRL WHO SAVES THE WORLD, for cryin' out loud, not to mention she's dating the goofiest guy in school. I don't think she cares much about tradition. Not to mention that her parents have shown themselves to be very liberal and likely wouldn't mind as long as they use condoms. (Mrs. Dr. P at least. James would probably have a rocket all fueled up and ready to launch. ) Thirdly, Kim's hypercompetetive streak could very well lead to a situation in which she wants to have sex with Ron to prove a point to Bonnie and the rest of the cheer squad. If you don't believe me, I point to StD. Kim cares about the food chain. A lot. And when Bonnie gets in Kim's head, reason has very little to do with her decisions. If Bonnie annoyed her enough about it, it's entirely possible that she'd drag Ron into the janitor's closet and mount him then and there. But what stops this from happening? Ron. Aside from the obvious reason of him being emotionally immature, he's always been the one that keeps Kim balanced. He'd likely stop her before she went over the edge. I remember reading a story called, "Confessions of a Little Black Dress" in which this is exactly what happened. Ron's primary motivation in life is to protect Kim--even from herself. So I'm going to say that they would wait, but only because of Ron. To me, it's questionable if Kim's even still a virgin. But that's a discussion for another day.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Apr 27, 2007 2:48:03 GMT -5
While I echo most of the comments in this thread, mostly about Ron being willing to wait, there are a few things to consider about Kim. First off, she's impulsive. I mean really, it couldn't have been more than two seconds after the door to the police van closed in StD before she was dragging Ron off to the prom. One of my biggest complaints with that movie was the abrupt ending, but I've come to accept this ability to change gears quickly as a major part of Kim's character. Could you give a few more examples of Kim being impulsive than this? 'Cause Ron seems to be a lot more impulsive than Kim, IMO. Secondly, waiting until marriage is largely a matter of religion and tradition. Ron and Drakken are the only characters on the show with a confirmed religion, and I don't think I've ever seen the Possibles in church. Also, Kim's a GIRL WHO SAVES THE WORLD, for cryin' out loud, not to mention she's dating the goofiest guy in school. I don't think she cares much about tradition. Not to mention that her parents have shown themselves to be very liberal and likely wouldn't mind as long as they use condoms. (Mrs. Dr. P at least. James would probably have a rocket all fueled up and ready to launch. ) Abstaining from sex is not necessarily strictly a religious or moral choice. I can see them going as far as they are comfortable with going. Thirdly, Kim's hypercompetetive streak could very well lead to a situation in which she wants to have sex with Ron to prove a point to Bonnie and the rest of the cheer squad. If you don't believe me, I point to StD. Kim cares about the food chain. A lot. And when Bonnie gets in Kim's head, reason has very little to do with her decisions. If Bonnie annoyed her enough about it, it's entirely possible that she'd drag Ron into the janitor's closet and mount him then and there. That actually sounds exactly like the plot of "Confessions of Little Black Dress". Great fic. ? Anyway... I don't know about this. It's also entirely likely that Ron has those kinds of impulses once in a while. He just doesn't act on it. At least not in public. ;D Kim Possible, our Kim Possible, for whom it took a moodulator to admit openly she had romantic feelings for Ron, jumping him at the slightest snide comment from Bonnie? She's competitive, but c'mon. The same girl who didn't kiss Eric even though she wanted to, having her way with Ron in the janitor's closet? Don't think so. Not the K.P. we've been presented with so far. Doesn't sound like her at all. The "food chain" thing was an excuse for her to avoid her feelings for Ron, who wasn't telling her how he felt about her or giving her any sign of romantic interest. If she cared that much about the food chain, why would she hang with Ron at all? But what stops this from happening? Ron. Aside from the obvious reason of him being emotionally immature, he's always been the one that keeps Kim balanced. He'd likely stop her before she went over the edge. I remember reading a story called, "Confessions of a Little Black Dress" in which this is exactly what happened. Ron's primary motivation in life is to protect Kim--even from herself. That's pretty much Kim's prime objective, too, isn't it? With these two, it's a two way street; they keep each other in balance. The fic could have worked just as well if it had been focused on Ron instead. Again, love that fic, it's one of my favorites. So I'm going to say that they would wait, but only because of Ron. To me, it's questionable if Kim's even still a virgin. But that's a discussion for another day. Not that it really matters to me whether she is or not, but I'm willing to bet that she's still a virgin. Funny how Kim's virginity status comes up time and again, but not Ron's. Interesting.
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Post by Rognik on Apr 27, 2007 2:51:22 GMT -5
I totally contest that, beeftony. Sure, Kim's impulsive. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be leaping into danger to save people and defeat wacky villains. But when it comes to relationships, she's kind of shy.
Evidence 1: Josh Mankey. Just how many times did she try to make her feelings known to the boy? Probably half a dozen on screen and two dozen more off. But I don't think she ever came out and asked Josh out herself.
Evidence 2: Eric. Sure, he was a synthodrone, but he did a very convincing human. And yet, she didn't kiss the boy. Why? Who knows, but she definitely wanted to. If Eric moved to kiss her, though, I'm sure she wouldn't have resisted.
Evidence 3: Tail end of So The Drama. Impulsive though she was pulling Ron to the Jr Prom, once there, it took Rufus to get them to dance. And just before the kiss, she kind of ducked her head and looked slightly away. That's a coy move, one that indicates willingness, but won't initiate.
So is Kim a virgin? Oh, yeah. If she wasn't Mr. Possible would be livid (or at least extremely disappointed). The other party would need to initiate the suggestion, and even then, she would say no if she didn't really, REALLY like the guy and thought it was the best thing. It may be religion that imparts most of the morals in us, but that doesn't mean we can't create our own standards.
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Post by Rognik on Apr 27, 2007 2:55:52 GMT -5
Funny how Kim's virginity status comes up time and again, but not Ron's. Interesting. That's because there's no doubt that Ron gets no play. I mean, c'mon! Farthest he ever got with a girl who wasn't Kim was Yori's kisses on the cheek, and he didn't think she LIKED him liked him. However, I'm sure he's stroked the naked mole rat a few times, and I don't mean Rufus! ;D
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Apr 27, 2007 7:13:21 GMT -5
While I echo most of the comments in this thread, mostly about Ron being willing to wait, there are a few things to consider about Kim. First off, she's impulsive. I mean really, it couldn't have been more than two seconds after the door to the police van closed in StD before she was dragging Ron off to the prom. One of my biggest complaints with that movie was the abrupt ending, but I've come to accept this ability to change gears quickly as a major part of Kim's character. Could you give a few more examples of Kim being impulsive than this? 'Cause Ron seems to be a lot more impulsive than Kim, IMO. Abstaining from sex is not necessarily strictly a religious or moral choice. I can see them going as far as they are comfortable with going. That actually sounds exactly like the plot of "Confessions of Little Black Dress". Great fic. ? Anyway... I don't know about this. It's also entirely likely that Ron has those kinds of impulses once in a while. He just doesn't act on it. At least not in public. ;D Kim Possible, our Kim Possible, for whom it took a moodulator to admit openly she had romantic feelings for Ron, jumping him at the slightest snide comment from Bonnie? She's competitive, but c'mon. The same girl who didn't kiss Eric even though she wanted to, having her way with Ron in the janitor's closet? Don't think so. Not the K.P. we've been presented with so far. Doesn't sound like her at all. The "food chain" thing was an excuse for her to avoid her feelings for Ron, who wasn't telling her how he felt about her or giving her any sign of romantic interest. If she cared that much about the food chain, why would she hang with Ron at all? That's pretty much Kim's prime objective, too, isn't it? With these two, it's a two way street; they keep each other in balance. The fic could have worked just as well if it had been focused on Ron instead. Again, love that fic, it's one of my favorites. So I'm going to say that they would wait, but only because of Ron. To me, it's questionable if Kim's even still a virgin. But that's a discussion for another day. Not that it really matters to me whether she is or not, but I'm willing to bet that she's still a virgin. Funny how Kim's virginity status comes up time and again, but not Ron's. Interesting. Oooh. You both bring up very good points and I agree with both of you. And I too find it interesting that Kim's virginity status comes up time and again and not Ron. I know why too. It's because she's a female and she's strong. But, I'm not getting into that water here. I'm also willing to bet that she's a virgin still. I'm not willing to bet actual money on that, but... I don't remember when Drakken's religion was mentioned. I honestly don't. I'd have a better reply if I wasn't so pressed for time.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 27, 2007 7:46:30 GMT -5
Kim is a moraly a good person and she is a Disney character so i think shes still a virgin.Was Dr.D religion mentioned in the KP series.I could only recall Ron's religion being mentioned in the series.Her busy schedule itself make it very difficult for her to live like a normal teenager so sometimes she take teenager things to the extreme to be not left out of the loop or the food chain or to lose out to Bonnie.
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Post by ninjanaco on Apr 27, 2007 9:04:42 GMT -5
Well, from a self-described "defender of KiGo," responses like this aren't all too surprising: Not to mention that her parents have shown themselves to be very liberal and likely wouldn't mind as long as they use condoms. Where have they shown themsleves to be "very liberal?" At all? I've seen all of season 1-3, seen what we've seen of 4 and I can't see any indication of the Drs. P. being of the left-wing, socially, polticially, religiously or whatever. If anything, Kim's dad is conservative, perhaps excessively so, concering KP and "boys." ("Well, at least Kimmie's just lost in the time stream, and not out late at night with some boy." ) I still stand by my statement that while we don't know Kim's beliefs on this subject, there's good grounds on which to believe that Kim wouldn't "get it on" before wedlock. Oh, and I think Ron's a virgin as well as Kim. Not because he's neccessarily against it (if his attitudes towards cheating and kosher foods are any indicuation of his religious/moral sensibilities) - though I do think he'd wait if Kim wanted them to wait - but since he hasn't exactly had a steady girlfriend before Kim...
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Post by Commander Argus on Apr 27, 2007 9:32:57 GMT -5
I have no doubts as to Kim's status. At this stage in her life, she places a lot of meaning on just kissing - not to mention, she hadn't even kissed Erik, though she began her relationship with Ron with one. At their stage, that kind of kiss is very special, and doesn't appear to happen all that often. Sure, there's hand holding, cheek pecks and such, but making out (what I consider it) is saved for private 'dating' moments we won't see.
No, it's not very realistic compared to real world teens (apparently age 17) but we ARE talking Disney here.
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Post by JuPMod on Apr 27, 2007 11:51:06 GMT -5
No, it's not very realistic compared to real world teens (apparently age 17) but we ARE talking Disney here. This is the one thing I think many keep forgetting. This is a Disney show, thus one will not going to see them 'making out' (aka necking) and other things one might expect from teenagers at Kim and Ron's age. With this said, I too do not believe they will ever 'do it' during high school. Way too soon, especially after they first gotten together at the end of their junior year. Yet, I can see them might start to head toward that direction, especially if they move away from home during college years. I'm being realistic compared to having my mind on the Disney Filter. BTW, I know this topic always have people who are categorized into three groups: 1) If one doesn't believe in premartiral sex, one will always believe Kim and Ron will wait until marriage. 2) One does believe in premartrial sex, but based on certain views on the show and characters, one will believe Kim and Ron will wait until marriage. 3) One does believe in premartial sex, thus one will believe they will eventually do it before marriage, due to certain views on the show and characters.
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