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Post by yvj on Sept 25, 2007 23:38:25 GMT -5
I just listened to it and I swear to God I heard it clearly something must be up with your ears dude Perhaps, I never said I had great hearing, however as I said all you have to do is show me some evidence of said kiss existing I don't know what to tell you my friend. I just went over it like five or six times and right before Rufus shows his disgust there is a clear kissing sound. That is the proof right there. Do you need "They kissed" flashing on the screen before you believe it
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 25, 2007 23:39:45 GMT -5
Perhaps, I never said I had great hearing, however as I said all you have to do is show me some evidence of said kiss existing I don't know what to tell you my friend. I just went over like five or six time and right before Rufus shows his disgust there is a clear kissing sound. That is the proof right there. No, proof is, visual evidence like a screencap, or a transcript or the words of a VIP But this is getting off topic, PM me if you want to discuss this supposed kiss
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Post by yvj on Sept 25, 2007 23:47:12 GMT -5
I don't know what to tell you my friend. I just went over like five or six time and right before Rufus shows his disgust there is a clear kissing sound. That is the proof right there. No, proof is, visual evidence like a screencap, or a transcript or the words of a VIP But this is getting off topic, PM me if you want to discuss this supposed kiss This thread is already offtopic as the last fifty pages had nothing to do with the original post. And I've got to say you are one of the most stubborn individuals I've ever met on the net so far. And I've been on Anime boards Fin......... *End credit roll*
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 25, 2007 23:50:08 GMT -5
I have to say, I distinctly heard a kissing sound. Rufus' reaction just draws your attention away from it.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 25, 2007 23:52:00 GMT -5
I have to say, I distinctly heard a kissing sound. Rufus' reaction just draws your attention away from it. You may have heard a sound, but you are assuming it is a kissing sound if this sound exists, which is why I say visual proof like a transcript or a VIP confirmation is needed, because otherwise you can only assume that they kiss, you don't know, its ambiguous at best
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Post by shallow15 on Sept 26, 2007 1:29:34 GMT -5
They keep saying they'll stop discussing with me, but they can't resist. I won't argue with you. Shut up. We get it, as far as you're concerned Kim is an idiot and Ron is God. We get it. Now shut up about it. --Erin M.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 26, 2007 1:56:40 GMT -5
They keep saying they'll stop discussing with me, but they can't resist. I won't argue with you. Shut up. We get it, as far as you're concerned Kim is an idiot and Ron is God. We get it. Now shut up about it. --Erin M. Never said anything of the sort, all I pointed out was that Kim has flaws, and is far from perfect.
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Post by mike on Sept 26, 2007 4:04:44 GMT -5
think (thngk) v. thought (thôt), think·ing, thinks v.tr. 1. To have or formulate in the mind. 2. a. To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through. b. To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do. 3. To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair. 4. To believe; suppose: always thought he was right. 5. a. To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early. b. To intend: They thought they'd take their time. 6. To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was. 7. To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion. 8. To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick. 9. To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination. 10. To concentrate one's thoughts on: "Think languor" Diana Vreeland. v.intr. 1. To exercise the power of reason, as by conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and using judgment. 2. To weigh or consider an idea: They are thinking about moving. 3. a. To bring a thought to mind by imagination or invention: No one before had thought of bifocal glasses. b. To recall a thought or an image to mind: She thought of her childhood when she saw the movie. 4. To believe; suppose: He thinks of himself as a wit. It's later than you think. 5. To have care or consideration: Think first of the ones you love. 6. To dispose the mind in a given way: Do you think so? adj. Informal Requiring much thought to create or assimilate: a think book. n. The act or an instance of deliberate or extended thinking; a meditation. None of these definitions however make her statement a certainty, at best it makes it her belief, but like I said it does not support that she is actually in love with him, because she is not certain, at most she believes she is in love with him, so my point still stands, it is not a declaration of certainty, it is at best a declaration of belief, and that leaves ambiguity According to that there is, 1.) To believe - means concluding a statement is true for your point of view. 2.) To recall a thought - means to remember something fact or fiction. 3.) To remember - means to make your mind focus on something factual that has happened before and has been forgotten over a short or long period of time. To make it sound that they are capable of firmly stating "I think that I love you" to "I love you", let's try replace think with any of its definitions. "I believe that I love you" "I recall that I love you" "I remember that I love you" Thus, the sentence "I think that I love you" differs in meaning as the tone of the word "think" and/or the entire sentence changes from serious to not serious.
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Post by mike on Sept 26, 2007 4:09:03 GMT -5
I may be mistaken but I was under the impression that they(K/R) got together at Prom, and then spent the summer together before season 4 even started. That is an entire summer's worth of things that could have happened that we didn't get to see. Erik only had the time up to Prom, Im not sure how long that was tho... Anyway my point is direct to both AvinashTyagi, and yvj who both made comments that seemed to assume nothing happened during that time... No I was referring to the kiss they shared in StD, the reason Kim felt more comfortable kissing Ron was the familiarity of 12 years of already knowing him And I never recalled that Kim said that the reason why she's more comfortable kissing him is because they are familiar with each other for 12 years.
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Post by shallow15 on Sept 26, 2007 7:45:44 GMT -5
Never said anything of the sort, all I pointed out was that Kim has flaws, and is far from perfect. And we all agree on that as well, it isn't necessary for you to keep bringing it up in EVERY SINGLE THREAD you post in. No one here is saying Kim doesn't have flaws. But YOU keep pretty much harping on it over and over and OVER again, while at the same time pretty much expousing the Virtues of Ron over and over and OVER again. We get it. You don't like Kim, you like Ron...almost disturbingly so. Anytime anyone tries to even remotely hint that someone could be on the same level as Ron, pre or post MMP, you begin spewing out assorted bits and pieces to counter their arguements. Fine. Great. Wonderful. You've now derailed, by my count, SEVEN threads with this nonsense. Every single one of them has degenerated into people arguing with you over the SAME issue. Knock it off. Please. For the love of God. --Erin M.
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 26, 2007 7:47:18 GMT -5
I have to say, I distinctly heard a kissing sound. Rufus' reaction just draws your attention away from it. You may have heard a sound, but you are assuming it is a kissing sound if this sound exists, which is why I say visual proof like a transcript or a VIP confirmation is needed, because otherwise you can only assume that they kiss, you don't know, its ambiguous at best It's not ambiguous in the least. Anyone who clearly heard that sound knows it was a kiss. I now think you are delusional.
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Post by shallow15 on Sept 26, 2007 7:49:09 GMT -5
Don't argue with him Argus. He's decided that the show is REALLY all about Ron and Kim's there to look pretty, and she's not good enough for our new Lord and Messiah.
--Erin M.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 26, 2007 7:58:18 GMT -5
Don't argue with him Argus. He's decided that the show is REALLY all about Ron and Kim's there to look pretty, and she's not good enough for our new Lord and Messiah. --Erin M. Yep. He just comes off as plain sexist.
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Post by dracko19 on Sept 26, 2007 8:32:26 GMT -5
I have to say, I distinctly heard a kissing sound. Rufus' reaction just draws your attention away from it. You may have heard a sound, but you are assuming it is a kissing sound if this sound exists, which is why I say visual proof like a transcript or a VIP confirmation is needed, because otherwise you can only assume that they kiss, you don't know, its ambiguous at best As an unbiased participant, I have to completely disagree here. There is visual and audio evidence of a kiss. This isn't a fact you can manipulate Avin. Here's the screenshot and here's the sound. Its in the ep. home.comcast.net/~abcx3/images/kiss.wavI think you are starting to cross the line. Its one thing to dispute "beliefs". Its quite another to dispute "facts". I'm starting to view some of your posts and arguments as provoking towards the K/R ships. Do not keep that up. Disputing facts just to get a rise out of a group is not permitted here and will get you run out of the forum. I'm keeping an eye on things a little closer now.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 26, 2007 8:32:44 GMT -5
Don't argue with him Argus. He's decided that the show is REALLY all about Ron and Kim's there to look pretty, and she's not good enough for our new Lord and Messiah. --Erin M. Yep. He just comes off as plain sexist. If that comes off as sexist, then the finale comes off as a bit sexist as well. Part 2 featured Ron doing most of the work. (going up into space, getting into the the alien ship and taking it down, defeating the bad guys, rescuing the damsel in distress. Kim didn't do much of anything other than play the damsel.
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Post by Alexlayer on Sept 26, 2007 8:41:45 GMT -5
Yep. He just comes off as plain sexist. If that comes off as sexist, then the finale comes off as a bit sexist as well. Part 2 featured Ron doing most of the work. (going up into space, getting into the the alien ship and taking it down, defeating the bad guys, rescuing the damsel in distress. Kim didn't do much of anything other than play the damsel. That's EXACTLY what I complain about the ending.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 26, 2007 11:06:25 GMT -5
Not at all, at least no more than the movies have been, notice how its always Ron saving the day in the movies, either by rescuing Kim or lifting her spirits
I never derail any of the threads, each time you guys are the one who say you'll stop discussing these topics with me, and yet here we are you guys keep coming back, its not my responsibility to make you guys stop posting, you guys could just ignore if you want to, i'm not forcing any of you to respond
Yeah but she hasn't been ambiguous or concerned about kissing him, so there was never any real need to discuss it like she did that other stuff.
Yeah but the way she used it indicates the first one, believe, basically she's saying that she believes she loves him, but belief is not a confirmation, that's the thing, you could say you believe there is a god, but that doesn't confirm the existence of a god.
Not trying to provoke anyone Dracko, i'm just responding to their comments, notice how they keep saying that they will stop responding, and yet they keep coming back, i'm not forcing any of them to keep responding, they choose to do so. I haven't flamed any of them, or attacked any of them, if they get bothered by these posts then they can easily ignore the posts, which is what they keep claiming they'll do, but never do, so why should I stop responding?
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Post by The Yetimonster on Sept 26, 2007 11:13:55 GMT -5
It's hard not to respond to someone who completely floods out the board. How do you find the time to stay logged in here for 12 hours a day and accumulate like 800 posts in a few months and still have some semblance of an outside life? If you offer a seminar on time management, I'd love to attend.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 26, 2007 11:18:48 GMT -5
It's hard not to respond to someone who completely floods the board. How do you find the time to stay logged in here for 12 hours a day and accumulate nearly 800 posts in a few months and still have some semblance of an outside life? If you offer a seminar on time management, I'd love to attend. I don't flood the board, I make a post here or a post there, its when other people resond to the posts that I make that I respond back. As for time management, well, just because I am at a computer doesn't mean I am in my room all day, thankfully the campus has net access almost everywhere, so I can pretty much go about my day and still periodically come online throughout the day, so it doesn't interfere with the rest of my life.
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Post by dracko19 on Sept 26, 2007 11:28:45 GMT -5
Again, my point here is you are arguing every possible item you can in regard to fact vs. reality. Its one thing to argue that Kim will love Ron forever. That is a huge leap of assumption because we don't really know what will happen much beyond high school. However when we hear dialouge that suggests a kiss and the characters move in for a kiss and we HEAR a kiss and we SEE reaction to a kiss (Rufus: "Bleah") there is no other logical explanation. At that point, you can present the kiss as fact. Any other point of view would fall on YOU to PROVE they DIDN'T. People who are hardcore shippers have an almost abnormal affection to the relationship they are shipping. They will go to great lengths to defend that ship against any and all attacks. You can claim you aren't doing anything wrong, but the fact remains you refuse to let any K/R shipper get the last word. Therefore arguments will go forever. I'm encouraging them to start ignoring your posts, but that is easier said than done when you are constantly disputing their beliefs and their ship. Especially considering the hardcore shippers you are dealing with. Its really on both parties here. I'm suggesting that the K/R shippers let some stuff go. They don't need to argue every point to the ground. That also goes for you Avin. You don't need to have the last word in every thread at all times. I also want you to start backing off the "well we didn't see it, so its a leap to suggest it happened". If it is a logical assumption, don't go to the "no see no do" argument. That is the source of at least 300 posts over the last 3 days.
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