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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 27, 2005 18:50:05 GMT -5
Reviews, very good point. I love getting good reviews as much as the next one, but I prefer complex reviews--even ones that include criticism! If you can help me, do it!
Flames... there is a huge difference between flames and constructive criticism.
Death... no problem. I've done it.
Yeah, if it's terribly written, I can't read it. But I am an el ed major... you get used to it.
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Post by Quin Separable on May 27, 2005 19:05:50 GMT -5
Reviews, very good point. I love getting good reviews as much as the next one, but I prefer complex reviews--even ones that include criticism! If you can help me, do it! Flames... there is a huge difference between flames and constructive criticism. Death... no problem. I've done it. [glow=red,2,300]Same here with all the points. In a lot of my stories I tell people to give me some constructive critism. I have gotten a flame or two (or at least was very close on my "If Life Was A Dream" fic) and flames do absolutely nothing except sometimes makes the writer feel depressed as in my case. Onto the deathfic thing...I've done it as well. They don't bother me as long as it's not done graphically or just poorly written. [/glow] |
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Post by Panther on May 27, 2005 19:41:06 GMT -5
That's A LOT of fan fics you just eliminated.... XD Sad, aint it? And things that bug me not just in KP but other fan fics: 1. Post-StD fics. And EVERY ^&%ING ONE OF THEM IS SET THE DAY AFTER THE MOVIE. And I read one with... K/Rness that was.... disturbing.... which leads me to my second one: 2. OOC K/R fics. BLEH. Gots to go, add more later... |
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Post by zoza on May 27, 2005 19:49:37 GMT -5
This is useful to me as a reviewer - usually what I do, is if I like a story, I say so, and if I love it, I say so. If I don't like it I don't comment. I didn't realise writers were looking so much for criticism. Maybe I'll think of that when I review next I'll put in more constructive criticism. (I review as MalaV some of you may have had reviews from me, I'm not sure)
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Post by mrpotty on May 28, 2005 1:14:34 GMT -5
Oh yes, reviews...I can't say anything about it, because I don't get some very often.
So...I HATE not to get any reviews! Writing something and not knowing if anyone likes it (or just read it!) is so sick and wrong!!!
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Post by captainkodak1 on May 28, 2005 7:41:45 GMT -5
I agree about the reviews. It is nice to know what someone thinks, good or bad. I am sure the other authors will agree that with the time we put into the stories it is nice to get feedback.
As for stories, the fact that most of the stories now are written postStD is logical as that is the progression of the story. But some stories need to go back to and lead back to StD. What brought them to this point?
The death, graphic sex and other similar fics. As long as they are well written. I can accept them. Just please let the reader know what the fic is about. I have written a number of deathfics, even some mature level ones, although I was not as graphic as others are.
I hope to learn from reviews and what others think about what they like or want in fanfics. I write for fun and I want to entertain my audience. What good is it to write a fic if no one will want to read it?
Please keep making comments.
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Post by OnOn 2lazy2login on May 28, 2005 10:05:12 GMT -5
That's A LOT of fan fics you just eliminated.... XD Sad, aint it? well, allow me to clarify, If they say Da*n, hell, or pissed off, it doesn't bother me, I hate the ones like the f, b, and sh word. The a word doesn't bother me too much, but when any of the characters cuss, people tend to put them totally OOC by making them cuss everyother word. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 28, 2005 11:00:27 GMT -5
well, allow me to clarify, If they say Da*n, hell, or pissed off, it doesn't bother me, I hate the ones like the f, b, and sh word. The a word doesn't bother me too much, but when any of the characters cuss, people tend to put them totally OOC by making them cuss everyother word. Even those first ones irritate me in KP fics--because it's out of character! They never do that in the show. I realize it's the Disney Channel, but still, that's the world that has been created. I even try to avoid, in my KP fics, them saying "crap" and "heck", pathetically enough. Just because they don't. I played hypocrite only once. I had a short ficcy from Shego's perspective, and I had her cussing a few time. *hides in humiliation* MrPotty, are you on FF.net? What's your sn? I will read them if they interest me (sorry, I can't lie there) and leave you reviews... ;D And the OOCness, once again I must sound off on that. OOCness is terrible unless you're doing it for a good reason (like an utter mockery or parody of something). If you can't write that character, go back to original writing! Oh, and the Mary Sues bother me. I can't abide Mary Sues. That hate has even frightened me away from most original characters. |
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Post by mrpotty on May 28, 2005 11:29:51 GMT -5
MrPotty, are you on FF.net? What's your sn? I will read them if they interest me (sorry, I can't lie there) and leave you reviews... ;D On ff.net I'm "Mr H from D", but don't expect too much, because they are all written in Nacospeak, except for one I'm just translating. (So the english version is not finished yet.) Oh, and the Mary Sues bother me. I can't abide Mary Sues. That hate has even frightened me away from most original characters. And about the Mary Sues...I think everybody hates them (except for the people who writes them ;D), but I sometimes "play" with Mary Sues. In one fanfic for example a character appeared who had long hair, was dressed black, had a goatie and his name was "Mary Sue Holden". (Guess what "Mr H" stands for.) But this was just a joke. Sometimes I put some "Hitchcock-Cameos" in my ff's. Like Alfred Hitchcock, who was often in his films for a few seconds, I sometimes write lines like: "There was a man with long hair standing at the bar." I'm not doing this all the time, but sometimes I just can't resist. But I really hate it too, when ff's become Mary Sue-Storys. When People write stuff like this, they should do it only for theirself and don't bother us with this. |
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on May 28, 2005 18:15:36 GMT -5
keeping them in character is, to me, the most important thing. if you want to write Kigo slash or whatever, SHOW me how this happens to develop from what I see on the show. If you want to make Drakken a good guy, SHOW me how he changes his personality. If you want to make Ron a drug-addicted rapist, SHOW me how he changes from the sweet fella we all know and love. otherwise you're just writing original stories with some names that remind me of KP... not that it's a BAD thing to write a GOOD story, but I like to see some sort of canon to start with and then extrapolate if you want to take them to a different level. It may take more time and make it harder to write a good story, but I feel it's worth it in the end. fwiw, I've been writing fanfiction for over a decade in various other genres - CSI, Stargate SG-1, X-Files and have just tripped into KP... so this old broad has seen a lot of fanfiction pass under her bridge. *creaking noise* excuse me... must oil the joints with a cuppa tea!  as usual - jmo, ymmv. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 28, 2005 20:29:28 GMT -5
Go, Aers! If you wanna write that, it's your right. But TRY and make it work!
Sorry, but in my opinion, it never works. People do it all the time in HP fics, and it's terrible.
I've just decided why I really hate the sex and swearing and stuff-- half the time, people aren't writing. People that read that stuff usually don't care about the plot--I've heard people tell me that they usually don't read below a certain rating--they care more about "action" then a good story. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2005 20:47:35 GMT -5
Oh yes, reviews...I can't say anything about it, because I don't get some very often. So...I HATE not to get any reviews! Writing something and not knowing if anyone likes it (or just read it!) is so sick and wrong!!! I agree with you 100% on that. There are many times that I wonder if I should keep going on mine. It was nice at the beginning, my inbox was flooded with reviews, but they became less and less until I started to only get reviews from two people. So those two people, along with myself, in my mind, are the only people that are reading the story. I mean, how do you know? The thing is that if they don't review, you don't know if anyone is reading it, and I think that sucks. |
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on May 28, 2005 20:53:39 GMT -5
well then you're dealing with writers who are just writing soft-core porn or smut and don't want to make it an original piece. for example: KP doesn't swear. Her family doesn't swear. Ron doesn't swear. NO ONE on the show swears. so if suddenly I see her curse up a storm I better have a darned good reason for it other than "she got upset because Ron got hurt" or some such thing - and I would like to see the ramifications of such a thing happening, both from those around her who would react to it as well as her internal reaction to suddenly letting loose with a sailor's vocabulary. sex, well... my biggest problem in seeing ANY sexual contact in any fanfic genre is just the lack of responsibility involved - you're talking birth control, condoms and pregnancy... and that's kinda heavy for a KP fanfic, imnsho. can it be done tastefully? Sure... there's examples out there that show that it can be done. If you can write bosom-rippers without getting graphic, you can do fanfic like that. But it does take practice, after all... and an awareness of the characters as they would react to that situation and justifying it to the reader, not just because the author wants to do something funky with Ron... again, I rambleth. apologies. |
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Post by zoza on May 28, 2005 21:39:54 GMT -5
Oh yes, reviews...I can't say anything about it, because I don't get some very often. So...I HATE not to get any reviews! Writing something and not knowing if anyone likes it (or just read it!) is so sick and wrong!!! That's how I feel about my deviant art page.  |
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on May 28, 2005 22:02:54 GMT -5
That's how I feel about my deviant art page. I hear you... on the other hand, I take solace in the fact that I KNOW people are reading it... they just dunna want to say anything. at least, that's what I keep telling myself. |
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Post by captainkodak1 on May 29, 2005 9:13:30 GMT -5
Greetings to all again,
Thought I would drop by again. Taking a break from "The Lotus Bloom". Worked most of Friday night, a good part of Sat. on it. It's shaping up very well.
I have done two mature rated fictions. Both take place after Kim and Ron's marriage. I felt this was best, but that is me. I have hinted at activity as such as a scene in my recent "Alls fair in love and war." But I left it to the readers to make up their own minds as to what happened. Other authors have their own ways. My good freind Jezrianna has some of the finest mature level writings of KP that there are. Yet again in these fictions Kim and Ron are much older.
One thing I have noticed recently is so many stories have been so short, less than a couple of paragraphs. Please write a little more! If that is all you have at the time please just wait a little.
Spelling and grammar. Spellcheck is a wonderful thing, please use it. Read, reread and reread. Little errors that spellcheck missed will be seen. I now make it a practice to reread my work at least 4 times before I post it. It is amazing the little things you will find.
Well, get off the soapbox now Take care everyone. I'll post a note in the Lotus Bloom thread when Rich and I get the next chapter posted.
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Post by OnOn on May 29, 2005 9:31:33 GMT -5
ur right about the spell check; but I'm also flawed in this area.... I don't misspell often, I slur words togetherlikethis. It's how I talk, but not how I should write.
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Post by Quin Separable on May 29, 2005 9:43:45 GMT -5
Even those first ones irritate me in KP fics--because it's out of character! They never do that in the show. I realize it's the Disney Channel, but still, that's the world that has been created. I even try to avoid, in my KP fics, them saying "crap" and "heck", pathetically enough. Just because they don't. .... Oh, and the Mary Sues bother me. I can't abide Mary Sues. That hate has even frightened me away from most original characters. [glow=red,2,300]Yeah I hate swearing in KP fanfictions...it's just not done. When any of the characters begin to swear I hit the back button. As for Mary Sues, yes I hate them as well (and try as hard to heck not to write them with my OCs) but personnally I don't find them much of a problem in the KP fandom as in the Newsies fandom, so I'm not so picky (I mean you should read some of the Mary-Sues in the Newsies fandom. shesh!)[/glow] |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 29, 2005 20:13:37 GMT -5
Greetings to all again, Thought I would drop by again. Taking a break from "The Lotus Bloom". Worked most of Friday night, a good part of Sat. on it. It's shaping up very well. I have done two mature rated fictions. Both take place after Kim and Ron's marriage. I felt this was best, but that is me. I have hinted at activity as such as a scene in my recent "Alls fair in love and war." But I left it to the readers to make up their own minds as to what happened. Other authors have their own ways. My good freind Jezrianna has some of the finest mature level writings of KP that there are. Yet again in these fictions Kim and Ron are much older. One thing I have noticed recently is so many stories have been so short, less than a couple of paragraphs. Please write a little more! If that is all you have at the time please just wait a little. I guess I simply don't like reading about sex. I've never bothered to read it, and no offense, but I never plan on it. It's another type of porn--no matter how well it's done. I care about STORY and PLOT--not how much characters love each other. In fact, I find that some of the sexiest bits in all of literature are those that leave it shrouded in mystery. Oh, you know what they're up to--and you get to leave it up to your imagination. As for short stuff... hey, what's wrong with short stuff? I, myself, love writing short little snapshots; I find, if I try to stretch it out just for the sake of "making it long", it ruins it. Simplest can be best. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on May 29, 2005 20:15:23 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% on that. There are many times that I wonder if I should keep going on mine. It was nice at the beginning, my inbox was flooded with reviews, but they became less and less until I started to only get reviews from two people. So those two people, along with myself, in my mind, are the only people that are reading the story. I mean, how do you know? The thing is that if they don't review, you don't know if anyone is reading it, and I think that sucks. Oh, it's such a terrible feeling! I think it very rude to read something and not review! Even if it's just to say "nice story" (which we all hate, I know, but it's better than nothing.) And then, no one is reviewing, you take it so personally and wonder if it's a reflection on you as a writer. I've seen EXCELLENT pieces that no one reads, and then utter crap receiving 100+ reviews per chapter.  |
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