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Post by Ezbok58a on Dec 19, 2005 22:42:58 GMT -5
Well, it does have a sequel, where Kim goes into Ron's mind. I'm currently reading it to to see what happens.
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Post by dragonfang33 on Dec 19, 2005 23:57:41 GMT -5
My number one pet peeve about Fanfics, is a lack of originality, especially among KP Fanfics, all seem to be the same story, and same couples, either Kim and Ron or Drakken and Shego, it isn't the end of the world to break the rules in a Fanfic, after all I do it all the time in every KP Fanfic I've written, introduce an original character, and have KP fall for him instead of Ron.
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Post by surforst on Dec 20, 2005 0:33:44 GMT -5
My number one pet peeve about Fanfics, is a lack of originality, especially among KP Fanfics, all seem to be the same story, and same couples, either Kim and Ron or Drakken and Shego, it isn't the end of the world to break the rules in a Fanfic, after all I do it all the time in every KP Fanfic I've written, introduce an original character, and have KP fall for him instead of Ron. This introduce my pet peeve. Sorry just got to bring this up. Your own characters are not as important as the cannon characters. This is a fanfiction after all and the focus should be on the original characters. Things I avoid. 1. Writing my characters in a relationship with KP characters if at all possible. If it happens its usually after a failed relationship (i.e. I killed a lot of cannon characters and ran out of them by this time) or I'm breaking up a cannon pairing. For example Kim cheating on Ron or vice versa. This is better done with someone else. 2. Your character is not part of 'Team Possible' don't write them like they are. My one character who will be a sorta of hero will just be an average guy with good fighting abilities. He gets knocked around by Kim easily though and when he finally faces one of the main villains they'll put him in the morgue probably. Guy is normal though and serves his purpose but the story doesn't revolve around him. 3. Hesitate before making friends. Why would Kim/Ron hang out with this person? Again the one guy who will be an actual character who is in high school (I consider all military people cannon due to my crazy theories) is friends with Josh only. He doesn't want to hang out with Kim/Ron and thus we avoid focusing on him more then necessary. It also fleshes out a cannon character more which Josh always seems to have a problem with. Personally I just don't like the whole focus on a character of your own creation. If you want to write about them then make an original piece of work and move from there. I got Ron's commanding officer as a non-cannon character who is important. You only interact with him though through Ron. Other side characters like the Admiral in that story is used only to advance plot but is not a focus of the story either. It focuses on Kim, Ron, and Bonnie as it should. It's a KP fanfic after all. Not to be harsh for singling you out dragonfan33 but you were just the unlucky author to post that comment first. No harm no foul right? |
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 20, 2005 1:04:23 GMT -5
Got to agree with Surforst here. I don't read KP fanfictions to read about an author's characters.
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Post by surforst on Dec 20, 2005 1:38:37 GMT -5
Got to agree with Surforst here. I don't read KP fanfictions to read about an author's characters. Except mine of course. Right?  Anyway just remember they have their place. Just don't make it a big one. |
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 20, 2005 1:46:10 GMT -5
Got to agree with Surforst here. I don't read KP fanfictions to read about an author's characters. Except mine of course. Right? Anyway just remember they have their place. Just don't make it a big one. Sorry, should have been a little more clear. I don't like original characters that become major characters. They tend too often to become Mary Sues. I have actually read a number of stories with original characters that are very good, but they all have been in supporting roles. Not leading roles. |
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Post by RavenStar on Dec 20, 2005 1:53:11 GMT -5
The main thing that irks me about fanfictions are ones with horrifying spelling and grammar, or other similar stuff - like stories that switch from 1st or 2nd Person to 3rd and back in practically one sentence. Those really tick me off a lot. As soon as I hit a story that has something like:
"I feel good today" said Kim. She walks two blocks and sees Ron. "Hey KP" he said waving
I usually close the fic right then and there. If the story seems intriguing enough, I'll maybe read the next chapter, see if the authors fixes any mistakes. But really - you could have a tremendous story, but if you can't make it readable, no one will read it. Period. End of story.
Whoever's complaining about not getting reviews - tough crackers. Just because you don't get reviews doesn't mean people aren't reading your story. Some people wait until after a story is finished to review it. You're not gonna get 80,000 reviews with every story. If you can a story simply because you don't get reviews for it, you don't deserve to be called a writer. Plain and simple. Sure, reviews are helpful, but in the long run, it's your story. You are writing it. Reviews may help - I know a number have for me - but don't let those be the end-all be-all for determining if you should finish the story or simply trash it. I've only got two stories I haven't finished, and it's mainly because I hit a mindblock and simply couldn't figure out a way to continue it at the time, and have since moved on to something else.
OC's...If you make an OC specifically to have them fall for a character, I won't even read past the logline of the fic. OC's in my eyes show to me that the writer doesn't find themselves comfortable working with the characters they've been given. The only OC's I've made have been villains or secondary characters who don't end up in a relationship with any of the show's characters. But I try to avoid OC's at all costs. Find some obscure characters and use them instead. It's always fun to expand upon a character that we've only seen in the show once. OC's go in original works.
And lastly - people, please - even when you have a character acting completely opposite the way they normally act on the show, at least have them doing it in such a way that we can still sense some part of the character's personality beneath it all. Characters completely OOC just irk the hell out of me.
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Post by taechunsa on Dec 20, 2005 10:25:44 GMT -5
like stories that switch from 1st or 2nd Person to 3rd and back in practically one sentence. Those really tick me off a lot. As soon as I hit a story that has something like:
"I feel good today" said Kim. She walks two blocks and sees Ron. "Hey KP" he said waving
This little snippet is pretty much 3rd person the whole time, unless I am missing something. It is not 'I said' or 'you did' thus it isn't first person or second. Heck, I don't ever recall even reading a story that used second person. |
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Post by Sorsha on Dec 20, 2005 10:36:26 GMT -5
As for OCs... gah, I despise them if they are the main character--or even a major character. It's always the same: they are related to Kim or Ron, or they have some horrible secret, super powers, blah blah blah, no one cares!!! Of course it's necessary to make up characters from time to time (it's difficult for me to use only KP characters) but, as has been said, give them supporting roles only.
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Post by lonestarr357 on Dec 20, 2005 11:07:09 GMT -5
Whoever's complaining about not getting reviews - tough crackers. Just because you don't get reviews doesn't mean people aren't reading your story. Some people wait until after a story is finished to review it. You're not gonna get 80,000 reviews with every story. If you can a story simply because you don't get reviews for it, you don't deserve to be called a writer. Plain and simple. Sure, reviews are helpful, but in the long run, it's your story. You are writing it. Reviews may help - I know a number have for me - but don't let those be the end-all be-all for determining if you should finish the story or simply trash it. I've only got two stories I haven't finished, and it's mainly because I hit a mindblock and simply couldn't figure out a way to continue it at the time, and have since moved on to something else. This would be me, in a sense. Simply put, I don't desire 80,000 reviews. I just want someone - anyone - to tell me how I did on my story; whether I succeeded, whether I failed. What I did right and/or wrong, and what should be improved (if anything). It's just...when one of my stories ends up getting less reviewed than some poorly-written and -structured pile of excrement that looks like a five-year-old just pounded on the keyboards, it really puts me out. Granted, many of the reviews might be telling the author to 'LEARN TO WRITE1!', but, at least, they'll have the grapes to let that individual know they're there. Sorry, but after two years (and sixteen completed stories), it really gets under my skin. Doesn't mean I'll stop writing, but...geez. |
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Post by surforst on Dec 20, 2005 13:06:52 GMT -5
Simply put, I don't desire 80,000 reviews. I just want someone - anyone - to tell me how I did on my story; whether I succeeded, whether I failed. What I did right and/or wrong, and what should be improved (if anything). It's just...when one of my stories ends up getting less reviewed than some poorly-written and -structured pile of excrement that looks like a five-year-old just pounded on the keyboards, it really puts me out. Granted, many of the reviews might be telling the author to 'LEARN TO WRITE1!', but, at least, they'll have the grapes to let that individual know they're there. *Looks the other way* Hey it's not my fault if people review my stories. Anyway I desire 80,000 reviews in a day. I know it won't happen but it would be nice. Plain and simple. Never said I was a writter in the first place. I'm a programmer using the English language. Besides if a story is not working in your head and it's not getting reviews you kill it. Plain and simple. If it's not getting reviewed I might as well just leave it on my desktop. I do this to try to improve and I improve by figuring out how people react to concepts. Its why I do a lot of oneshots at random. Harsh but true. |
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Dec 20, 2005 14:02:56 GMT -5
Never said I was a writter in the first place. I'm a programmer using the English language. Besides if a story is not working in your head and it's not getting reviews you kill it. Plain and simple. If it's not getting reviewed I might as well just leave it on my desktop. I do this to try to improve and I improve by figuring out how people react to concepts. Its why I do a lot of oneshots at random. Very true. If the story is dead even to you, there's no reason to keep it around. Resurrection of something that should not be kept alive can be a scary thing. |
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Post by Ezbok58a on Dec 20, 2005 14:50:08 GMT -5
As far as Original Characters go, in some story Ideas there is really no other option than to bring them in.
I originally started fanfics writting myself as a partner to Kim and Ron, then I realized who the hell wants to read about me? So I axed that one.
But I have put my own character back in my current new fic (which I hope some of you here actually read) Will it be a main character? Oh God no, I learned that the hard way (three stories to be precise) But in the story, he has to play a rather involved role.
Kim and Ron, or any other characters in their universe are totally unprepaired for the situation they are being thrust into, hence my charater shows up and there is very little bonding going on between my character, and Kim and Ron. (He will basically make them cry, in a matter of speaking.) I do hope that some of you actually aren't as closed minded as you sound about OCs, sure there are alot of them where its the same thing, but at least they're trying a different spin on things.
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Post by thelastsonof84 on Dec 20, 2005 15:20:23 GMT -5
I myself am guilty of original characters. Though it is quite hard to have your story jump twenty years into the future of KP and have her son carry on the legacy of saving the world from his own rogues gallery without making them OCs.
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Post by surforst on Dec 20, 2005 16:37:43 GMT -5
Well the rules I apply to why you should have OCs instead of cannon is as follows.
1. Fill in the roles. For example pilots flying Kim and Ron back from a mission. They can talk after all you know. Sometimes the plot even calls for focus on these people like a briefing or something. You don't even need a cannon character there to get it to work.
2. Children. Kim and Ron will have kids eventually. It's fine to create your own though focus on them is a little questionable. I tend to avoid tells focusing on Kim/Ron kid(s). That's just me though.
3. Villians. No one cares about them anyway after all. Though try to use cannon here.
4. Guiding characters. I like these types after all. Sometimes Ron and Kim can't handle a sitution such as romance. I like to cheat and have someone knock them upside the head to get things rolling. Another example is where a character helps advance the plot along. Instead of having Ron look for Kim for forty chapters I have a character step in and show him the way. Stuff like that. Depends on the story how much the character actually knows. I got one where the guiding character seems to be sort of supernatural in a way. Kind of crazy there.
5. Romance to a degree. Say you kill Kim off and years latter Ron marries another woman. You can make her OC. Another example is if you want someone to spilt the two up. Be very careful here though. I don't want to read about Ron hooking up with you character if a lot of cannon characters are still around. Write a Ron/Bon story if you don't want K/R for example.
Anyway I got more things I could say but I'll leave it with these rules to follow. Always remember in the end if your OC is more important then Cannon Characters then you've messed up and its time to kill the story. Plain and simple.
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Post by thelastsonof84 on Dec 20, 2005 17:03:39 GMT -5
Well, on the plus side, Connor Stoppable and his rogues gallery were not the main characters of my fic.
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Post by recon228 on Dec 20, 2005 21:09:40 GMT -5
I too have a tendency to induct original characters into my KP fanfictions, though I usually only do so if it's really necessary. Since I tend to infuse an element of 'real life' into my stories, Kim and Ron often find themselves confronting sitches not covered by the show. Therefore, there really aren't any cannon characters who fit the part.
These guiding characters include Agent Pollard in A Loss of Innocence, Cadet Lieutenant Haas in KP: The Thin Blue Line, and Ranger Gordon in KP: Bailout.
I also like to use random OC's as simple roll-fillers when cannon characters just wouldn't fit. In my stories, I like to give everyone a name and let the readers get at least a brief idea of their personalities; even if the character is literally just someone who Kim or Ron interacts with in one scene, or someone who's always in the background.
A good example of these roll-filler/background characters would be just about every Middleton PD officer in KP: The Thin Blue Line except CdtLt. Haas, Sgt. Hobble, and Ofc. Segovia.
As for my pet-peeves, I can't stand grossly OOC behavior without any explanation or progression. Things like Ron committing suicide due to 'unbearable depression' or Drakken murdering people in cold blood could work... but only if the writer is able to show the reader how the character got to that point.
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Post by dragonfang33 on Dec 20, 2005 23:34:06 GMT -5
Then I hate to say it, my original character Kyle Wolf from Quest for the Kyber Crystal and Dark Trooper IS THE MAIN CHARACTER, and to break even more rules about KP Fanfiction, HE'S THE ONE WHO KIM FALLS FOR because it's what's best for the story which is far more important then who KP ends up with in the end. So in a way I'm trying to add my own twist to Kim Possible.
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Post by surforst on Dec 20, 2005 23:54:42 GMT -5
Then I hate to say it, my original character Kyle Wolf from Quest for the Kyber Crystal and Dark Trooper IS THE MAIN CHARACTER, and to break even more rules about KP Fanfiction, HE'S THE ONE WHO KIM FALLS FOR because it's what's best for the story which is far more important then who KP ends up with in the end. So in a way I'm trying to add my own twist to Kim Possible. If he is is the main character then why don't you just write an original creation type of fic. If you don't focus on the cannon characters then why bother writting them in? Besides it's not really a twist if you just take out the main character. I can do that too. See Bob save the day by using little animals trapped in cages that he releases in a fight. See that's not KP so why write a fanfic about it. It's fine to do AU or Fusion stories but focus on the KP characters. They are the ones that matter after all. From what I've read of your stories you do it the way I say it should be done so don't worry. Your doing a good job. |
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Post by recon228 on Dec 21, 2005 0:49:13 GMT -5
From what I've read of your stories you do it the way I say it should be done so don't worry. Your doing a good job. Thanks...  |
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