Fanfiction pet peeves!

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

dragonfang33 said:

My number one pet peeve about Fanfics, is a lack of originality, especially among KP Fanfics, all seem to be the same story, and same couples,

I just realized the other day that my You Kissed a Synthodrone? has the same basic plot as my The Cafeteria Incident.

[taechunsa]

A pet peeve of mine is people who bellyache about canon couples showing a lack of imagination.

It is possible to have an original and good story and have canon couples. It just takes a bit more originality then it does to make up a new character to fill one of the main character's roles.

To me when you start complaining about a premise of the canon becoming boring in fanfiction then it is time to move on. It is about like complaining that Star Trek fanfictions are all boring becuase people lack the imagination to write them not in space in the future. It is a basic premise of the show and if you are tired of it then it is time to take a break.

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

taechunsa said:

A pet peeve of mine is people who bellyache about canon couples showing a lack of imagination.

It is possible to have an original and good story and have canon couples. It just takes a bit more originality then it does to make up a new character to fill one of the main character's roles.

To me when you start complaining about a premise of the canon becoming boring in fanfiction then it is time to move on. It is about like complaining that Star Trek fanfictions are all boring becuase people lack the imagination to write them not in space in the future. It is a basic premise of the show and if you are tired of it then it is time to take a break.

Yes! It means you have no true appreciation and only can survive on novelty!

[surforst]

taechunsa said:

A pet peeve of mine is people who bellyache about canon couples showing a lack of imagination.

It is possible to have an original and good story and have canon couples. It just takes a bit more originality then it does to make up a new character to fill one of the main character's roles.

To me when you start complaining about a premise of the canon becoming boring in fanfiction then it is time to move on. It is about like complaining that Star Trek fanfictions are all boring becuase people lack the imagination to write them not in space in the future. It is a basic premise of the show and if you are tired of it then it is time to take a break.

Or your not looking hard enough. Heck there plenty of original stuff out there.

My work for example.
1. Ron got knocked up.
2. Ron's a mobile suit pilot.
3. Kim thinks she's a guy.
4. Kim rescues Ron from the evil witch.
5. Ron gets attacked by two crazy alien women (Tenchi)
6. Kim murders Ron.
7. Ron freaks out about Kim getting hurt. Read it and you'll see.

ClassicCowboys
1. Ron's batman.
2. Ron's Robin.
3. Ron's Captain America.
4. Ron's a mobile suit pilot. (Yes he beat me to it.)
5. Ron's Neo.
6. Kim's a vamp.

Mr. Dr. P
1. Kim serving on the Enterprise.
2. Ron gets an angel to show him that he does matter.


Well that's just a few examples. Yes I have to advertise my own work. So sue me it's my capitalist nature coming out. God please capitalism! Well back on topic can anyone tell me how those works just become one after another. Seem pretty original to me. Sure cannon pairings occur but it's interesting to see how they take place. I enjoy K/R stories and often enjoy them more then other pairing stories. I like K/R after all.

[Ezbok58a]

Darn It Surfrost! j/king

Although I can expand that list with my own original stories, and my original crossovers

1. Kim and Ron battle a evil Movie Car (Car Comes to Middleton)
2. Kim and Ron battle a evil movie car with Another evil Movie Car (The Cars Strike Back)
3. Kim and Ron are trasported into the Vietnam War (Horrors of War)
4. Kim and Ron are State Troopers (Way of the Badge)
5. Kim and Ron are surrounded by a Zombie infested City (RE: Apotheosis)

People just need to try really out there things, No one did a KP crossover with Resident Evil (well, finished it anyway), No one EVER did a KP crossover with a Evil Car (The Car, & Christine)

Just try things that haven't been done before people!

[Scoutcraft Piratess]

1. Ghostly Ron
2. Ron declaring love to fake Kim.

[Ezbok58a]

Yes, those two of yours are awsome! And thanks for the review on fanfic.net ;D

Which reminds me to read that chapter of Synthodrone! D'oh!

[thelastsonof84]

I don't know if I'd call 'em original on my part, but what the hey...
1. Kim Possible/Superman the Animated Series crossover. Never would have done it if not for Go Team Go.
2. Global Justice blackmails Drakken and Shego into stopping Dementor's latest scheme... in Go City.
3. Drakken and Shego come out of a twenty year retirement for one last bid at world domination. However...

[lonestarr357]

a) What if Josh's mother was a former agent/assassin pulled back into the life?

b) What if Gill succeeded in mutating the squad ("Sink or Swim")?

c) What if Kim stayed home that night...and Drakken and Shego decided to embarrass her into nothingness anyway ("Blush")?

Let your imagination go.

[recon228]

1. Kim and Ron team up with an FBI and NSA agent after Kim's father is kidnapped by a right-wing extremist group. (A Loss of Innocence)

2. Kim and Ron struggle to survive more than the elements after the plane they're riding in explodes over a remote portion of King's Canyon National Park. (KP: Bailout)

3. Kim and Ron are stuck guarding Shego and Drakken at Los Angeles International Airport during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. (In Their Darkest Hour)

4. Kim and Ron are forced to resign from world-saving and decide to help the community working as police cadets for the Middleton Police Deprtment. (KP: The Thin Blue Line)

[cloudmonet]

OC's...If you make an OC specifically to have them fall for a character, I won't even read past the logline of the fic.

Ah, well, been there, done that. I don't see anything wrong with that if it's for a character who doesn't have a partner already. Made up a girlfriend for Felix. And why not? If Kim, Ron, Monique, and Felix are going to college somewhere else, they're gonna meet other people (Consensus seemed against pairing Monique and Felix, and I couldn't see that they had too much in common). And now his girlfriend's roommate has appeared, at least as a name.

Whenever I can use an established character, I will, but sometimes I need more Global Justice agents than just Betty Director and Will Du. I've made up generals and dictators when I needed them, and a couple of new villains, when a good one pops into my head. But in general, yeah, they're almost always incidental characters. It'd be pretty weird if nobody new ever crossed Kim's path.

Usually Kim, Ron, and Rufus handle everything alone, with Felix as their jet pilot. I had Monique play a minor role on a mission twice, Yori and Hirotaka a few times (I made Yori the Kim of Asia), Kim's dad once, and Global Justice guys a number of times.

[Panther]

ezbok58a said:

Yes, those two of yours are awsome! And thanks for the review on fanfic.net ;D

Which reminds me to read that chapter of Synthodrone! D'oh!

New chapter!?!? 0_0 *runs to FF.net*

[taechunsa]

Cloud, the difference is that you create OCs to fill roles that need filled. That is perfectly legitimate and acceptable.

My gripe is when an OC is created to fill a role that is already filled. For instance, a new character comes into a story as Kim's partner and love interest. Um... that role is already filled. These OCs are nearly always cookie cutter reprints of Mary Sues that the author uses to project him or herself into the story as the hero, otherwise known as a self-insertion fic. And they usually stink for it.

I do not say this in absolutes becuase I know of at least one author that inserts himself into the stories in minor roles and that is fine (sort of like Mel Brooks). I have also actually read one fanfiction in the Ranma fandom that was an unabashed self-insert as the main character of the story. I note it becuase in many ways it was a spoof of the Mary Sue self-insert. The author's avatar tried to woo the lead female from the main character and got trounced for it. Every time the avatar tried to fight any major character he lost. Even against the weakest characters. It was one of the funniest fanfictions that I have ever read. It was brilliantly done. So even in the world of SI/OC clones it is possible to come up with an original story if one looks at it a bit differently.


On a side note. Has anyone ever seen a KP Spider-Man fusion? I was thinking on this yesterday and it just seems to be the most natural fusion that I have ever seen. Nerdy teen has a crush on the hot redhead firebrand friend. Gets powers and eventually ends up with redhead. Even many of the villains fit into the Spider-Man mythos readily.

Ron - Peter Parker
Kim - MJ
Tara - Gwen Stacey (sorry Tara fans but she is perfect for the role)
- Aunt May (This is one that isn't easily filled. I would have to be creative with this one.)
Mankey - Harry
Monkey Fist - Green Goblin (Have to take some creative license to relate Monty and Josh).
Drakken - Doc Oc
Shego - Black Cat (You Ron/Shego shippers should like that, but don't expect too much I was never wild about the Spider-Man/Black Cat romance.)

Kim's parents wouldn't have much of a role in this since I never really got into the whole MJ's family storylines and MJ's family is virtually anti Kim's family.
Ron's parents also wouldn't have much of a role, since Peter's parents died when he was young.

Of course I would take a decent amount of liberties with this so that it would be more of a Kim Ron partnership instead of just Ron saving the day and Kim waiting at home like too many Spidey authors do with MJ.

Perhaps steal an idea for the new Ultimate universe and do an MJ/Kitty/Kim fusion so that Kim would have Kitty's powers and could go with Ron. Or maybe do an MJ/Jessia Drew/Kim fusion so that it would be Spider-Man and Spider-Woman. The possibilities are nearly limitless.

Anyway, long rant over. Has anyone done this before?

[thelastsonof84]

taechunsa said:

Shego - Black Cat (You Ron/Shego shippers should like that, but don't expect too much I was never wild about the Spider-Man/Black Cat romance.)

Now I can't get the image of Shego throwing up on an unmasked Fearless Ferret out of my head.

taechunsa said:

Anyway, long rant over. Has anyone done this before?

I don't believe so.

[surforst]

taechunsa said:

I do not say this in absolutes becuase I know of at least one author that inserts himself into the stories in minor roles and that is fine (sort of like Mel Brooks). I have also actually read one fanfiction in the Ranma fandom that was an unabashed self-insert as the main character of the story. I note it becuase in many ways it was a spoof of the Mary Sue self-insert. The author's avatar tried to woo the lead female from the main character and got trounced for it. Every time the avatar tried to fight any major character he lost. Even against the weakest characters. It was one of the funniest fanfictions that I have ever read. It was brilliantly done. So even in the world of SI/OC clones it is possible to come up with an original story if one looks at it a bit differently.

Yeah this is pretty much how I see myself if I ever enter the KP universe. Someone I know personally, as in RL, asked me to insert myself as a villain. That would have been the saddest fight ever. Kim would come in. I'd rant. She'd have beat the heck out of me. Turns to leave when Ron notes the fact that I'm not moving. GL medic responds and I die on the floor. Kind of sucks how that works.

What I do is insert little pieces of myself into some of my OC characters though. Small itty bits mind you and often I just go insane with them. Mike comes to mind on that. He had the whole 'I'd never personally befriend Kim' thing that I have. Then I just make him crazy. I'm going to enjoy him as a side character. Note side character!

taechunsa said:

On a side note. Has anyone ever seen a KP Spider-Man fusion? I was thinking on this yesterday and it just seems to be the most natural fusion that I have ever seen. Nerdy teen has a crush on the hot redhead firebrand friend. Gets powers and eventually ends up with redhead. Even many of the villains fit into the Spider-Man mythos readily.

Yeah ClassicCowboy beat you out to it.

www.fanfiction.net/s/1942101/1/

He hasn't finished it yet though so go ahead. He started a Gundam fusion way before me but he wrote three stinking chapters. Ron only fought once in his Gundam. Therefore I felt no shame in making my own fusion of Gundam. Guy starts too many stories and just leaves them. Good writter though.

Just go with a different appoarch to it and I'm sure people will love it. I'm looking forward to it.

[Ezbok58a]

Yeah, I originally started with myself as a cookie cutter OC that joined the team, In hindsight what on earth was I thinking?

Now I only have myself in 2 stories, and I'm trying to make myself believable in both. My actions in the Way of the Badge are more of me laid back, and helpful.

In RE: Apotheosis I'm a hardass that can't stand people treating like everyone else (In one instance, a receptionist wishes me a happy work day. To which I tell her to Shove it)

The futher along it gets, the more it is two stories that will come together and have to work together if they want to survive.

And so far, its doing pretty well.

[dragonfang33]

I wrote a KP/Spider Man Fusion called Spider-Kim, got a little out of hand though
www.fanfiction.net/s/1689711/1/ and for the record I've had it up since December of Last year

[Molloy]

My pet peeve is when a fan fiction has Kim cry for no reason at all.

If there is a legitmate reason that might cause Kim to break down, fine (in MrDRP's "Epic Sitch" the tears are justified, for example). But when she goes into a crying fit at the drop of a hat, it just irks me.

In the first 65 episodes, she only cries twice (almost three times). First, she cried in AVPC when she thought Ron was dead, then she almost starting crying in ASIT when she and Ron agreed to break up the team (but she was stopped when she noticed the definitions in her latin textbook), and finally she cried rivers in Emotion Sickness because of the moodulator. Not exactly Miss Waterworks.

What really annoys me about these crying fits is that it seems like the writer is deliberately trying to punish her character for being so strong in the show. Maybe I am being too harsh--and this is all speculation anyway--but that is how it makes me feel.

[surforst]

molloy said:

My pet peeve is when a fan fiction has Kim cry for no reason at all.

I can agree with that. Let's see how often I do it myself.

1. Kim kills Ron and realizes afterwards she loves him. I still blame that kid though for the whole event. Shadow of death man!

She got close in another story when Monique got blown up *pretty colors* but she didn't even cry then. I think that's all for me. Guess this isn't one of the errors I do all the time. Sweet! ;D

Anyway some more pet peeves from Surforst.

1. Writters who refuse to admit that Kim and Ron can be together. The whole just brother/sister bit annoys me. It's cannon you don't have to have it but at least admit it's possible.

2. Writters who write Kim as a jerk. I've done this though so I can't really judge. Not intentional mind you it just sort of happen.

3. Ron constant 'I'm a loser' bit. The self image isn't that bad actually he's kind of a happy chap.

That's all for now.

[Aers (That Writer Chick)]

actually, most of these complaints are found in ALL areas of fanfiction - seriously. It happens when the writer has to really pull the character OUT of character in order to make the story work. Of course, you end up sacrificing the personality established on the show to get the intended results...

but these CAN all be done properly and still in canon - if you take the time to establish WHY and HOW it could happen. Can Kim be a jerk? Sure... but you have to figure out what would push her over the edge and then put that into the story. Maybe Ron rips her favorite blouse with one of his stunts, or he accidentally has her fail an important test due to an emergency that isn't really one... like a deficiency of hot sauce at BN! Write up HOW and WHY someone would have such a dramatic personality shift and then you can make the story work.

Too often good stories go awry because the author is in a rush to get to the Big Scene and forgets to lay down the foundation that will support the story along the way. You don't want K/R? Then show me how they're NOT a couple or how they decided to keep it at the friendship level. You want Ron to be suicidal? SHOW me what brought him to this emotional low in his life - and no, it's not going to be just because they took out Naco Night again. Take your time, DO the foundation and your story will work out even if it's deviating from what is perceived as canon.

and a Happy New Year to all!