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Post by dracko19 on Nov 8, 2006 1:13:17 GMT -5
Some of you cats have not been playing nice lately. What seems to be the problem? You know we have a policy around here to be RESPECTFUL of others opinions and not to PERSONALLY ATTACK OR FLAME anyone. The Oaxaca thread and Sadam thread are just full of disrespect and provokes/attacks.
I'm not supporting or condemning the world events. I am simply looking out for the membership and health of this forum. Personally, some of the political discussions that have been occurring have gotten very disrespectful and we agreed that would not be tolorated. Posting things like "Bush kills children" or "All Liberals are morons" is simply devoid of fact and can do nothing but provoke horrible discussions. That does NOT help the health of this forum and if it were allowed to continue, I can see many respectable members leaving this board for more pleasant pastures.
If you don't think you can contain yourself when it comes to discussing politics and world events in this forum, then perhaps you should avoid those discussions. Go visit the art forum and enjoy some of our members talents instead. No one is requiring you participate in a discussion, so don't feel obligated to jump into a hot topic if you have trouble respecting opinions.
I told my daughter the other day "If someone hits you, go tell a teacher. Don't hit back" after she got in trouble for the 3rd time this year when this brat hit her when no one was looking. The teacher always catches the retaliator. So, I'm telling all of you...if someone posts something in this forum you think is waaaaay out of line, PM me. Don't take it upon yourself to flame them. Simply let me know someone is screwing up and I'll take care of it. Thank you.
If you wish to disucss these policies, feel free to post below. Please keep in mind this is a FORUM FOR A DISNEY SHOW. Thanks.
REPOSTED.
Reason: The last time I posted this thread, I asked to not post spam and stay on topic. Somehow, we ended up with 3 pages of people nominating members to be moderator.
There will be no new moderators and I didn't ask for nominations or volunteers. Ron is completely in charge of that and we have not discussed increasing the moderators. If that should come about in the future, he will handle that discussion. Until then, you are stuck with me.
Please stay on topic in this thread. Thank you.
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Post by johnnys on Nov 8, 2006 2:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by dracko19 on Nov 8, 2006 16:39:47 GMT -5
2 LONG TIME members have recently been banned from this forum due to their consistent behavior in provoking flames and/or attacks and general lack of respect for other political views.
This ban is only temporary and their accounts will be restored. They will be on probation and future violations could result in longer period and/or perma bannings.
When I said we are going to be respectful, I MEANT IT.
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Post by drakkenfan on Nov 8, 2006 16:45:21 GMT -5
Is that why the Rock the Vote thread is gone? I was just looking for it. I wonder what happened?
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Post by cloudmonet on Nov 8, 2006 16:57:29 GMT -5
You know, people are just talking about politics the way they hear the political operatives and pundits talk about it on CNN and other news outlets. This isn't the best way to have a political dialogue by far, but I'm not sure how much you can blame our members for imitating whoever they hear whom they agree with. Of course, this sort of parroting, especially when the parrotted message itself is less than well thought-through, is exactly what's most likely to try my patience.
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Post by dracko19 on Nov 8, 2006 18:00:30 GMT -5
The "Rock the Vote" thread was deleted at the request of the author and the content that had started to crop up in it. Some posts in that thead led to the recent banning.
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Post by nabusan on Nov 8, 2006 20:06:37 GMT -5
There was a banning?! Wow, who? Or is it a confidential thing?
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Post by tlionheart78 on Nov 8, 2006 23:12:53 GMT -5
I'm reposting this with kind permission from dracko 19. Folks, for the love of the board, or in this case this thread, STAY ON TOPIC!!!! This is a serious issue and I hate to have thoughts that are on-topic be deleted due to unnecessary spam.
I'm really glad that this sticky is up. I've said in the past that there are not that many political discussions in the general discussion board. However, I need to point out that these discussions are often the most heated and hotly debated, thus threads like these will dominate the lighter subjects in the board, making them the most poplar and often looked-at threads.
Now, I was raised in my family (more specifically my parents) that political/religious discussions are taboo subjects in my family. This is because these are highly sensitive subjects that make up a person's personal view-points in life and in the world. While it may seem like a harmless intellectual debate at first, the more the debate drags on, the heated the discussion will get. If the debate continues, then things will only get worse and it soon goes from a intelligent conversation to fierce mudslinging, insults, and demeaning, personal attacks. Such attacks have been known occur between friends and, God forbid, family members (the latter is very common). To see situations like this on RS.net is really disturbing and it really frightens me.
Since this thread is focusing on political discussions, I'll stick to that. Folks, liberalism and conservatism are not good political views, nor are they evil. They are our own personal view points, NOTHING MORE. It has really disturbed me to see people on here try to be open-minded to others only to get caught up in their own personal views that they totally ignore the main topic of a thread and instead resort themselves to an endless flame war that will only provoke more anger to others. I came to this forum, after being a lurker for months, in the hopes of making friends here. Yet, threads that have a lot of heated and insulting posts make a bad image of not only of RS.net, but for nearly all the members as well.
While one of the reasons for delaying my posting here was due in part of my A.S., the other reason why I hesitated from posting here was that I noticed all of the political and sensitive discussions that I almost turned away from this board. Dracko19 has pointed out that he hated to loose well long and respected members for their behavior in these threads, but one thing he forgot to mention is the fact that new posters and lurkers that are afraid to post here may tumble into these threads. If they notice threads that are full of flames, negative spam, and personal attacks, chances are that these new members/lurkers will turn away from this forum with a really negative view of this board.
People, all I'm saying here is that if you want to have a political discussion in the general discussion board go right ahead and do so, but keep in mind that there's a high chance that there's going to be people that will have a different view point from yours. Be RESPECTABLE and have an open mind when having those kind of discussions. I hate to see RS.net be home to a lot of hating and loathing of its members.
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Post by dracko19 on Nov 8, 2006 23:38:36 GMT -5
There was a banning?! Wow, who? Or is it a confidential thing? I don't see any positives that would come about by embarassing these members any more than is necessary. If they wish to discuss this among you, I will leave that up to them. |
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Post by kimmyfan48 on Nov 9, 2006 0:29:00 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, I am really starting to wonder if we need to have political discussions on the board. It seems to me it brings out the worse out of people and it turns friends into enemies. We're supposed to be uplifting each other, not putting each other down. I feel like if I go into a political topic, I get backed into a corner. That's why I attempt to stay away from it as much as possible. I'll leave one comment of a few and go. It kind of scares me.
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Post by mrpotty on Nov 9, 2006 2:43:53 GMT -5
I think it's time to ban the political discussions from rs.net!
We are not talking about one thread that went wrong, we are talking about at least three or four threads with political and/or religious content in the last half year, that ended with closing, deleting and banning!
Face it! It just don't work here!
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Post by nabusan on Nov 9, 2006 2:47:00 GMT -5
Opinion on political discussions are divided. It should be the members who get banned, not the topics.
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Post by mrpotty on Nov 9, 2006 3:06:01 GMT -5
Don't allow political discussions and we have to ban our friends (again).
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Post by nabusan on Nov 9, 2006 3:23:47 GMT -5
But if members can't abide by the rules of the board, what's gonna stop them from breaking them next time? Several members adjusted their behavior when dracko19 gave his warning about political threads. If the rest can't comply with that, then do they really deserve to be here? They know perfectly well that if they speak out of line, it'll have a consequence - and yet they do it anyway. Why should the members who make civil posts in political threads be punished for the mistakes of the few?
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Post by PossibleKim on Nov 9, 2006 4:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by Luqkim... on Nov 9, 2006 5:35:08 GMT -5
Now this is a reason why I avoid Thread's concerning politics.
I know conflicts are bound to happen, and I dont want to be caught in the fire fight.
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Post by mrpotty on Nov 9, 2006 6:18:37 GMT -5
But if members can't abide by the rules of the board, what's gonna stop them from breaking them next time? People get very easy angry and forget everything around them, when someone talks about their political or religious views. They obey the rules in every other topic, but not in political and religious discussions! What does that say about these topics? Compare the number of moderating actions and locked threads between "normal" topics and political discussions. It looks like we can talk about everything here without any bigger problems, but as soon as it's about politics, people start to flame, threads get locked and we all can read a new sticky from Dracko about behaviour in these discussions. Like I said: We tried it more than once, but it just does not work! I say the probation for political threads is over. |
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Post by johnnys on Nov 9, 2006 6:55:59 GMT -5
As I've stated two months ago in this thread, past events have shown that self-restraint are not applied effectively, which is why a lot of warnings have been issued out by the mods. It also leave some ill-feelings between members, which would have been unnecessary if these issues are avoided. Well, this is a board meant for a Disney show after all. Sensitive issues like politics, religion etc are like petrol/gas/fuel, it only need a spark, then it'll burst into flames. |
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Post by drakkenfan on Nov 9, 2006 11:16:50 GMT -5
You guys, I don't think it's a good idea to ban political threads because a few people began flames. What if a big political event happens, and we want to discuss it? I think that temporarily banning the people who mess up is a better solution than punishing everyone.
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Post by cloudmonet on Nov 9, 2006 13:41:31 GMT -5
I'll second DrakkenFan here. I rather enjoy the discussions. I just wish Dracko was, um, slightly more gentle with people who fall into imitating Ann Coulter or James Carville, which is really about all the flamers are doing. I think the possibility of broadening a few minds into considering factors not on the hot list of punditry alone makes the discussion worthwhile.
I've seen flaming fights just as bad over pre-season 3 K/R hints, actually.
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