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Post by proudnintendofan on Sept 24, 2007 0:00:58 GMT -5
Well, in "Bonding" we got a little insight into Bonnie's background. However, before that we saw Bonnie as a pure evil... uh well... let's just say I can't say that word here.
So tell me... give me your honest opinions, did you LIKE this little twist or did you hate it?
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Post by Mickey on Sept 24, 2007 2:51:11 GMT -5
Everyone has reasons for why they are the person they are. I liked the idea because it offers the lesson that people shouldn't be so quick to judge without knowing the background of a person.
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Post by mike on Sept 24, 2007 7:02:45 GMT -5
It was a good idea, at least we know why is she like that...
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 24, 2007 8:08:44 GMT -5
Well, it basically humanized a character that wasn't supposed to be humanized, so they shouldn't have done it if they didn't intend to keep her that way.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 24, 2007 8:29:59 GMT -5
She still a horrible person. I feel people use her sisters not being nice to her as an excuse for her being a horrible person.
I don't like when people blame others for there own actions. Like people blaming Eminem, Marilyn Manson, and Heavy Metal for the columbine shootings. People who blame video games, movies, and TV for people being violent. For people who blame there family life for dropping out of school and not going to college.
They should not have did it because of that fact. It does not change my view of her but to some who want to make an excuse why Bonnie is what she is it gives those people one.
I am responsible for my Actions. You are responsible for your actions. Bonnie should be as well.
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Post by eclogite on Sept 24, 2007 8:35:34 GMT -5
Sure, it's nice having added dimensions and backgrounds to the various characters.
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 24, 2007 8:45:43 GMT -5
I don't like when people blame others for there own actions. Like people blaming Eminem, Marilyn Manson, and Heavy Metal for the columbine shootings. People who blame video games, movies, and TV for people being violent. For people who blame there family life for dropping out of school and not going to college. I agree with everything except that last part. A lot of things can happen within a person's family life that prevents them from finishing school/going to college. I agree they shouldn't blame that on it, but unlike the other things you listed, it's a legitimate cause & effect type deal.
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Post by Whisper from the Shadows on Sept 24, 2007 9:04:04 GMT -5
I liked it, I always assumed that she had some depth to her and Bonding just confirmed that for me. Very few people in the world are like that without some sort of catalyst.
And before people say anything, I'm not saying that it's an excuse for her behavior, but it does lend some credibility to her personality IMO. I agree with Slick, she is responsible for her actions, this just gives us an insight into her psyche.
If anything, her reaction to being dumped by Brikk was more of a moment that defined her as human than anything relating to her sisters.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 24, 2007 9:17:17 GMT -5
Well it shows why she is who she is
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Post by proudnintendofan on Sept 24, 2007 13:40:08 GMT -5
You know... it also begs the question, why are her SISTERS like that to her?
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 24, 2007 15:04:56 GMT -5
You know... it also begs the question, why are her SISTERS like that to her? Their own insecurities and problems, if they make her feel bad about herself, it makes them feel better about themselves.
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Post by Whisper from the Shadows on Sept 24, 2007 15:12:23 GMT -5
Again, they more than likely had a bad influence in their lives. Whether it was somebody degrading everything they did like it appears they do to Bonnie (which I doubt due to their actions) or something else is up for debate.
If we traced it back far enough, I'd be willing to bet it comes down to one of two things, apathetic parents (the whole "let society raise them" mentality) or over praise (their parents, over praising them gave them a superiority complex causing them to degrade their younger sister when she was born as to confirm and secure their "superior" status).
The apathetic parents theory could be caused by them not wanting to smother their children (they were smothered by their parents) or that's how they were raised (which repeats this option one generation before). And over praising them could be caused by feelings of neglect from their own childhood and promising themselves that they would never let their children feel under-loved (resulting in the over-praise) or again, they experienced the same growing up (which, again, repeats this option one generation back).
Social issues like this rarely have a single source, and are never simple to answer. I started to write an analysis of the "Rockwaller family" as it is shown on KP, I was up to 4 and a half pages when the power cut out and I lost it. I was too lazy to retype it, but there is a lot of ground to cover as to the actions/reactions they present in the show.
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Post by kpfan5678 on Sept 24, 2007 16:27:48 GMT -5
I don't like when people blame others for there own actions. I agree with you on that. Agreed. Agreed. Not agreed. I may drop out of school once I'm old enough. Or I might drop out of college during the middle of the first semester when I go. Trust me, you may not have been through some things, but stuff can happen to people that prevent them from doing stuff which effects their whole life. Or something in their family literally prevents them from going to school/college.
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 24, 2007 16:46:36 GMT -5
I don't like when people blame others for there own actions. Like people blaming Eminem, Marilyn Manson, and Heavy Metal for the columbine shootings. People who blame video games, movies, and TV for people being violent. For people who blame there family life for dropping out of school and not going to college. I agree with everything except that last part. A lot of things can happen within a person's family life that prevents them from finishing school/going to college. I agree they shouldn't blame that on it, but unlike the other things you listed, it's a legitimate cause & effect type deal. Except there are people with similar problems or worse (growing up homeless or during like say World War 2), who maintain decency. So even the domestic family excuse is flimsy at best.
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Sept 24, 2007 17:29:29 GMT -5
i like that idea!!
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 24, 2007 17:31:53 GMT -5
I agree with everything except that last part. A lot of things can happen within a person's family life that prevents them from finishing school/going to college. I agree they shouldn't blame that on it, but unlike the other things you listed, it's a legitimate cause & effect type deal. Except there are people with similar problems or worse (growing up homeless or during like say World War 2), who maintain decency. So even the domestic family excuse is flimsy at best. I never liked the ol' "Grandpa story" argument. Grandpa: "This is nothing! When I was your age, I had to walk 10 miles to school through 15 inches of snow wearing paper bags for shoes! And paper wasn't as thick back then as it is now... Point is, we didn't whine about it like you youngins do! We toughed it out, lost a few toes, and still managed to maintain a B average! Now clean that snot out your nose, take half a bottle of cough syrup, and go to school!" Grandson: Yes- *cough*hack*sneeze* Grandpa.... <_<
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 24, 2007 17:50:57 GMT -5
Point is that there are people with the same problems as Bonnie that don't trade in their decency, so when you start making excuses for one individual, you have to do it for everyone.
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Sept 24, 2007 18:55:42 GMT -5
While I hate a cartoon like Kim Possible taking itself too seriously, I thought that Bonnie's sisters were handled well. I don't know if I'd quite call them "abusive", but their relationship with her certainly revealed much about her character without making the show all drama-angsty.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 24, 2007 19:26:24 GMT -5
Point is that there are people with the same problems as Bonnie that don't trade in their decency, so when you start making excuses for one individual, you have to do it for everyone. Not every person reacts the same to similar pressures
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Post by profweird on Sept 24, 2007 20:48:58 GMT -5
Point is that there are people with the same problems as Bonnie that don't trade in their decency, so when you start making excuses for one individual, you have to do it for everyone. Not every person reacts the same to similar pressures True enough. Nothing like having older siblings tell you you're worthless for over a decade, then having Kim PROVE IT. Every. Frecking. Day ! The fact that Bonnie was so sociable and functional was a testament to her strength; lesser mortals have inflicted far greater harm for far lesser stress. And so, the writers sacrificed her character development for a cheesy exit : they turned a strong, competent young woman who could go toe to toe with THE Kim Possible into a blubbering, vapid, clingy, useless twit. Poor girl never stood a chance ! Imagine - a mere mortal like Bonnie going up against a demigod like Kim Possible ! The FACT she actually succeeded is quite impressive. But ultimately meaningless, for All Glory Must Go To Kim Possible. Why do some people have a pathological need to hate Bonnie ? Shego has tried to harm Kim many different ways over the years, but people like her. Up until that vomitous episode called 'Homecoming Upset', the WORST Bonnie had ever done to anyone was call them names. AND FOR THAT PEOPLE WISH HER DEAD ?!?!!? Some have whined that 'what Bonnie did was the worst harm EVER inflicted on Kim Possible !!!!11!1!!!' (snark) Yes - what she did was so horrible it took Kim all of TEN SECONDS to get completely over it. Oh, DA HUMANITY !!!!!!!(/snark) Kim must live a very sheltered life if THAT was the worst anyone has ever done to her ! If what Bonnie did to Kim is considered the equivalent of a War Crime, what does what Bonnie has had to endure from Connie and Lonnie rate as ? Oh, right - 'emotional abuse is easy to just get over !! (Unless it happens to Kim, in which case the perpetrator is a foul, inhuman beast not fit to live !!!) It can be very cold and dark living in someone's shadow - at least Kim may now get to know what that feels like now !
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